Ravi
Diamond Member
Damn, I hate it when you give yourself away by replying faster than it could possibly take you to read my post.Ravi, we're talking ABOUT you, not to you. Get a clue, girl.
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Damn, I hate it when you give yourself away by replying faster than it could possibly take you to read my post.Ravi, we're talking ABOUT you, not to you. Get a clue, girl.
Allie, I am not your boyfriend.Experience has taught me there's nothing of substance there.
Yes, our differences in potential are due to many factors. We are indeed not clones and race is not a predictor of intellectual capacity.
One of those many factors, though, IS race. Specifically, the genetic potential of a common ethnicity.
for instance, if I breed 100 generations of mentally retarded dogs should I expect the 101 generation litter to be full of mentally retarded or mentally superior dogs? I fully acknowledge that social factors play an equal part in the equation but disregarding the finite range of abilities per common ethnicity in the name of political correctness is just foolish.
Do you think we all have the same physical potential for blue eyes? If not, then why would you say this genetic trait is different from the physical genetic traits associated with intelligence? This is not to say that GENERALLY black people are less intelligent that white people but a generalized range of IQs per ethnicity will not match every other ethnicity's results.
I'm not speaking in the name of political correctness. I'm speaking in the name of those who may be discriminated against as a result of an incorrect conclusion. I'm not saying you're incorrect, either. I think you're right about the heredity of physical traits. I'm just not comfortable assigning such "proof" to our measured intellectual differences according to race. I posted a scientific study earlier in the thread that dispels the entire argument since race is a social construct and most scientists can't even agree on how to define intelligence.
Race is a cultural concept. It has nothing to go with genetics.
Race is a cultural concept. It has nothing to go with genetics.
you are simply wrong.
Carl Linnaeus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaLinnaeus presented a concept of 'race' as applied to humans, also including mythological creatures. Within Homo sapiens he proposed five taxa of a lower (unnamed) rank. These categories were Africanus, Americanus, Asiaticus, Europeanus, and Monstrosus. They were based on place of origin at first, and later on skin colour.[17] Each race had certain characteristics that he considered endemic to individuals belonging to it. Native Americans were choleric, red, straightforward, eager and combative. Africans were phlegmatic, black, slow, relaxed and negligent. Asians were melancholic, yellow, inflexible, severe and avaricious. Europeans were sanguine and pale, muscular, swift, clever and inventive. The "monstrous" humans included such entities as the "agile and fainthearted" dwarf of the Alps, the Patagonian giant, and the monorchid Hottentot.[18]
That depends on who you talk to...just like everything else.So this bloke invented a sort of taxonomy of humans. Was it wrong? I mean has it been superseded? I'm conscious of the obvious stereotypes there which I'll just ignore but in terms of the concept of "race" has it been dumped or something? I mean humans are pretty different in appearance from each other but there are physical similarities between humans in different regions of of the plant. That's what I understand as "race". Has that been canned?
That depends on who you talk to...just like everything else.So this bloke invented a sort of taxonomy of humans. Was it wrong? I mean has it been superseded? I'm conscious of the obvious stereotypes there which I'll just ignore but in terms of the concept of "race" has it been dumped or something? I mean humans are pretty different in appearance from each other but there are physical similarities between humans in different regions of of the plant. That's what I understand as "race". Has that been canned?
Ethnic groups have different physical features, just like dog types have different physical features. Dogs are one race, humans another. And even in ethnic groups there can be more differences between members than there are between other ethnic groups.
You could get really crazy and claim people with blue eyes are one race. And I declare us superior.
I was using the term race to refer to species...yes humans are one species. I believe that genetic research has shown that the only differences in dna between ethnic groups is those genes that result in skin color, eye color, nose size, etc.That depends on who you talk to...just like everything else.So this bloke invented a sort of taxonomy of humans. Was it wrong? I mean has it been superseded? I'm conscious of the obvious stereotypes there which I'll just ignore but in terms of the concept of "race" has it been dumped or something? I mean humans are pretty different in appearance from each other but there are physical similarities between humans in different regions of of the plant. That's what I understand as "race". Has that been canned?
Ethnic groups have different physical features, just like dog types have different physical features. Dogs are one race, humans another. And even in ethnic groups there can be more differences between members than there are between other ethnic groups.
You could get really crazy and claim people with blue eyes are one race. And I declare us superior.
I think I understood that last one. I'm not being a difficult prick (really) I just don't understand the idea that there are no races. Dogs and humans are mammals, but we're different species aren't we? One is canis and the other is homo - I think. People in the cheap seats can stop sniggering about "homo" now. So within the species homo there are variations - physical variations - based on genetic adaption to environment. Is that right? Again because the forum can be so bloody combative at times I need to stress that I don't know the answer and I'm asking anyone - not trying to pin it on you Ravi - if they can help me out with an answer. There are some folks here who are very well educated in various areas and they might be able to help out. I get it that we're all humans. I just need to know what the current thinking is regarding variation across our common species.
I was using the term race to refer to species...yes humans are one species. I believe that genetic research has shown that the only differences in dna between ethnic groups is those genes that result in skin color, eye color, nose size, etc.That depends on who you talk to...just like everything else.
Ethnic groups have different physical features, just like dog types have different physical features. Dogs are one race, humans another. And even in ethnic groups there can be more differences between members than there are between other ethnic groups.
You could get really crazy and claim people with blue eyes are one race. And I declare us superior.
I think I understood that last one. I'm not being a difficult prick (really) I just don't understand the idea that there are no races. Dogs and humans are mammals, but we're different species aren't we? One is canis and the other is homo - I think. People in the cheap seats can stop sniggering about "homo" now. So within the species homo there are variations - physical variations - based on genetic adaption to environment. Is that right? Again because the forum can be so bloody combative at times I need to stress that I don't know the answer and I'm asking anyone - not trying to pin it on you Ravi - if they can help me out with an answer. There are some folks here who are very well educated in various areas and they might be able to help out. I get it that we're all humans. I just need to know what the current thinking is regarding variation across our common species.
But you probably can't get a noncombative answwer from anyone, Di, because scientists themselves don't agree. If you have some time to read through this it highlights some of the arguments.
Race (classification of human beings) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
We analyze data from nine standardization samples for four major tests of cognitive ability. These suggest that blacks have gained 5 or 6 IQ points on non-Hispanic whites between 1972 and 2002. Gains have been fairly uniform across the entire range of black cognitive ability.
Let's assume for a moment that despite SOOOO many obvious physical differences between races that race has nothing to do with anything...
giving that a black man can be more similiar to a white man than he is to a black women in terms of DNA, there isn't that much difference between us. Himans in terms of DNA are the most alike animals on the planet. The only difference between races is skin pigmatation. Everything else has to do with envirnment.Let's assume for a moment that despite SOOOO many obvious physical differences between races that race has nothing to do with anything...
yes lets assume that we are adept at doublethink
for indeed we are !
fucking lemmings will believe anything their government preaches - whether it is about race or 911 or anything else
EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT
man is different from woman
negroe is different from white man
and Chevy is different from BMW
giving that a black man can be more similiar to a white man than he is to a black women in terms of DNA, there isn't that much difference between us. Himans in terms of DNA are the most alike animals on the planet. The only difference between races is skin pigmatation. Everything else has to do with envirnment.Let's assume for a moment that despite SOOOO many obvious physical differences between races that race has nothing to do with anything...
yes lets assume that we are adept at doublethink
for indeed we are !
fucking lemmings will believe anything their government preaches - whether it is about race or 911 or anything else
EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT
man is different from woman
negroe is different from white man
and Chevy is different from BMW