"Oh Say Can You Seethe"

[georgephillip]

But... but... but... Commie Dreams SAYS SO!!!!

If the following statistic is accurate and true, does it matter if communists also believe it?

"If the median household income had kept pace with the economy since 1970, it would now be nearly $92,000, not $50,000."

Can you dispute it?

Oh Say Can You Seethe.. | Common Dreams

 

[DiamondDave]

It's up to you on how much you earn.. what risks you take.. what you invest in... etc...

Complaining about what a person or a company makes is indeed jealousy...

You have the very same freedoms to succeed or to fail

Do you have the same freedom to succeed or fail that AIG had?

I don't.

Why are conservatives afraid of class war?

Yes I do and yes you do....

Show the law or the part in the constitution that gives you less freedom to succeed or fail... we'll be waiting... until that time, shut the **** up

 

[DiamondDave]

But... but... but... Commie Dreams SAYS SO!!!!

If the following statistic is accurate and true, does it matter if communists also believe it?

"If the median household income had kept pace with the economy since 1970, it would now be nearly $92,000, not $50,000."

Can you dispute it?

Oh Say Can You Seethe.. | Common Dreams

Commie dreams says so.. it MUST be true

What next?? Chris' favorite of 'reaganbushdebt.org'?? HuffyPuffy opinion pieces?? Blogs??

Give it a break, georgiepordgie

 

[georgephillip]

But... but... but... Commie Dreams SAYS SO!!!!

If the following statistic is accurate and true, does it matter if communists also believe it?

"If the median household income had kept pace with the economy since 1970, it would now be nearly $92,000, not $50,000."

Can you dispute it?

Oh Say Can You Seethe.. | Common Dreams

Commie dreams says so.. it MUST be true

What next?? Chris' favorite of 'reaganbushdebt.org'?? HuffyPuffy opinion pieces?? Blogs??

Give it a break, georgiepordgie

"The New York Times adds, 'According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, average real hourly earnings for all employees actually declined by 1.1 percent from June 2009, when the recovery began, to May 2011, the month for which the most recent earnings numbers are available.'

"'So as average wages fall, and nearly 14 million people remain unemployed, America’s economic recovery has almost entirely benefited corporations. This development adds another chapter to the decline of the middle class, whose incomes are shrinking and wages are stagnating.

"'Last year, top executives’ salaries increased 27 percent, while workers’ salaries increased only 2 percent. At the moment, income inequality in America is the worst it’s been since the 1920s, as the richest 1 percent make nearly 25 percent of the country’s income."

America's top execs seem to enjoy a little more freedom to succeed than others do.

Got a Constitutional justification for that?

Since 2009, 88 Percent Of Income Growth Went To Corporate Profits, Just One Percent Went To Wages | ThinkProgress

 

[DiamondDave]

If the following statistic is accurate and true, does it matter if communists also believe it?

"If the median household income had kept pace with the economy since 1970, it would now be nearly $92,000, not $50,000."

Can you dispute it?

Oh Say Can You Seethe.. | Common Dreams

Commie dreams says so.. it MUST be true

What next?? Chris' favorite of 'reaganbushdebt.org'?? HuffyPuffy opinion pieces?? Blogs??

Give it a break, georgiepordgie

"The New York Times adds, 'According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, average real hourly earnings for all employees actually declined by 1.1 percent from June 2009, when the recovery began, to May 2011, the month for which the most recent earnings numbers are available.'

"'So as average wages fall, and nearly 14 million people remain unemployed, America’s economic recovery has almost entirely benefited corporations. This development adds another chapter to the decline of the middle class, whose incomes are shrinking and wages are stagnating.

"'Last year, top executives’ salaries increased 27 percent, while workers’ salaries increased only 2 percent. At the moment, income inequality in America is the worst it’s been since the 1920s, as the richest 1 percent make nearly 25 percent of the country’s income."

America's top execs seem to enjoy a little more freedom to succeed than others do.

Got a Constitutional justification for that?

Since 2009, 88 Percent Of Income Growth Went To Corporate Profits, Just One Percent Went To Wages | ThinkProgress

And another winger site... Jeez.... care for something even remotely credible when claiming something as fact???

Hey.. next.. why not Randi Rhodes?? Jon Stewart?? Media Matters??

Give it a rest georgiepordgie... until you show something in the constitution or law that grants someone else more freedoms to succeed or fail than any other person....

 

[georgephillip]

How about we only give the "job creators" tax breaks if they actually create jobs?

What happens if technology has been perfected to such a degree that capitalism is no longer capable of providing jobs to all who need one?

Human rights is a concept that isn't often raised in discussions like this one; however, sooner or later Americans are going to have to decide if human beings have a right to food, shelter and clean water regardless of their ability to pay for them with money.

 

[georgephillip]

Since 2009, 88 Percent Of Income Growth Went To Corporate Profits, Just One Percent Went To Wages

Spin that...

From your link:

"After the longest recession since WWII, many Americans are still struggling while S&P 500 corporations are sitting on $800 billion in cash and making massive profits. Now, economists from Northeastern University have released a study that finds our sluggish economic recovery has almost solely benefited corporations. According to the study:

“'Between the second quarter of 2009 and the fourth quarter of 2010, real national income in the U.S. increased by $528 billion. Pre-tax corporate profits by themselves had increased by $464 billion while aggregate real wages and salaries rose by only $7 billion or only .1%.

"Over this six quarter period, corporate profits captured 88% of the growth in real national income while aggregate wages and salaries accounted for only slightly more than 1% of the growth in real national income. …

"The absence of any positive share of national income growth due to wages and salaries received by American workers during the current economic recovery is historically unprecedented.”

Since 2009, 88 Percent Of Income Growth Went To Corporate Profits, Just One Percent Went To Wages | ThinkProgress

Sometime reason and logic are counterproductive.
This economy may have to crash and burn before many conservatives open their eyes to the class war.

And those corporate profits were distributed into dividends, which go into pension funds, which funds a whole shitload of common people's retirements. Forgot about that part didnt ya?

Dividends along with rents, interest and capital gains are considered returns to wealth. Thanks to the Bush/Obama $13 trillion bailout, the richest 2% of Americans nearly doubled their share of returns to wealth in a single decade.

Possibly you've forgotten how many pension funds were plundered by Wall Street's latest pillage.

Why do you instinctively support the parasites who grow rich from the productive labor of others?

 

[georgephillip]

i can't think of a single thing i've agreed with george about, but it's not about "jealousy" any more than jihadis "hate us for our freedom". it's about the fact that we have the WORST disparity between rich and poor of any western nation.

you can't have a great country where 1% of the population sucks up 95% of the wealth.

no matter what you rightwingnuts say.

If 90+% of Americans can't get on the same side of this issue, Democracy is dead in the "Land of the Free."

Life is not an Atari 2600 with a reset button to hit because you're not winning

If Atari programmers wrote code that ensured only 1% of players would win consistently, how much faith would you have in that reset button?

Revolution does not offer Silver Medals.

 

[georgephillip]

Commie dreams says so.. it MUST be true

What next?? Chris' favorite of 'reaganbushdebt.org'?? HuffyPuffy opinion pieces?? Blogs??

Give it a break, georgiepordgie

"The New York Times adds, 'According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, average real hourly earnings for all employees actually declined by 1.1 percent from June 2009, when the recovery began, to May 2011, the month for which the most recent earnings numbers are available.'

"'So as average wages fall, and nearly 14 million people remain unemployed, America’s economic recovery has almost entirely benefited corporations. This development adds another chapter to the decline of the middle class, whose incomes are shrinking and wages are stagnating.

"'Last year, top executives’ salaries increased 27 percent, while workers’ salaries increased only 2 percent. At the moment, income inequality in America is the worst it’s been since the 1920s, as the richest 1 percent make nearly 25 percent of the country’s income."

America's top execs seem to enjoy a little more freedom to succeed than others do.

Got a Constitutional justification for that?

Since 2009, 88 Percent Of Income Growth Went To Corporate Profits, Just One Percent Went To Wages | ThinkProgress

And another winger site... Jeez.... care for something even remotely credible when claiming something as fact???

Hey.. next.. why not Randi Rhodes?? Jon Stewart?? Media Matters??

Give it a rest georgiepordgie... until you show something in the constitution or law that grants someone else more freedoms to succeed or fail than any other person....

New York Times.
Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Another winger site?

Which "winger site" is lying about the average real hourly earnings for all employees declining by 1.1% between June 2009 and May 2011?

Do you think it's false to claim that the salaries of top execs increased 27% last year while workers salaries increased only about 2 percent?

The rich are not through taking.
How much more are you planning to give?

 

[Ragnar]

How about we only give the "job creators" tax breaks if they actually create jobs?

What happens if technology has been perfected to such a degree that capitalism is no longer capable of providing jobs to all who need one?

Human rights is a concept that isn't often raised in discussions like this one; however, sooner or later Americans are going to have to decide if human beings have a right to food, shelter and clean water regardless of their ability to pay for them with money.

We have. They don't.

 

[georgephillip]

How about we only give the "job creators" tax breaks if they actually create jobs?

What happens if technology has been perfected to such a degree that capitalism is no longer capable of providing jobs to all who need one?

Human rights is a concept that isn't often raised in discussions like this one; however, sooner or later Americans are going to have to decide if human beings have a right to food, shelter and clean water regardless of their ability to pay for them with money.

We have. They don't.

In the same way Ann O'Connor didn't deserve Medicare?

"Her books provided wide-ranging parables of 'parasites,' 'looters' and 'moochers' using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, (Ayn) Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor)."

Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet

 

[DiamondDave]

Idiot georgiepordgie fell for an internet myth.... ******* laughable

Myth #5. ”Ayn Rand hid her use of Social Security under the name Ann O’Connor”

Fact: That is not even in the 100 Voices interview with the social worker. Her name on the Social Security payout and death records is Ayn Rand. And the insinuation that if she had used something equal to or similar to her legal married name (which would probably be “Alice O’Connor&#8221 that it was for concealment purposes is speculative and unfounded. See immediately below for why she had no reason to conceal.
Internet Myths About Ayn Rand « Fuguewriter

And Rand also spoke about social security before her death...
Say Anything » Liberals Call Ayn Rand A Hypocrite For Collecting Social Security And Medicare Benefits

The key is, little asswipe, getting rid of this forced contribution scheme by the government, so people don't have to be ridiculed for taking their own money back (less than their own contributions, usually)...

 

[DiamondDave]

"The New York Times adds, 'According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, average real hourly earnings for all employees actually declined by 1.1 percent from June 2009, when the recovery began, to May 2011, the month for which the most recent earnings numbers are available.'

"'So as average wages fall, and nearly 14 million people remain unemployed, America’s economic recovery has almost entirely benefited corporations. This development adds another chapter to the decline of the middle class, whose incomes are shrinking and wages are stagnating.

"'Last year, top executives’ salaries increased 27 percent, while workers’ salaries increased only 2 percent. At the moment, income inequality in America is the worst it’s been since the 1920s, as the richest 1 percent make nearly 25 percent of the country’s income."

America's top execs seem to enjoy a little more freedom to succeed than others do.

Got a Constitutional justification for that?

Since 2009, 88 Percent Of Income Growth Went To Corporate Profits, Just One Percent Went To Wages | ThinkProgress

And another winger site... Jeez.... care for something even remotely credible when claiming something as fact???

Hey.. next.. why not Randi Rhodes?? Jon Stewart?? Media Matters??

Give it a rest georgiepordgie... until you show something in the constitution or law that grants someone else more freedoms to succeed or fail than any other person....

New York Times.
Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Another winger site?

Which "winger site" is lying about the average real hourly earnings for all employees declining by 1.1% between June 2009 and May 2011?

Do you think it's false to claim that the salaries of top execs increased 27% last year while workers salaries increased only about 2 percent?

The rich are not through taking.
How much more are you planning to give?

New York Slimes.. liberal fishwrap extraordinaire... not to mention your little "thinkprogress" winger site

You're pitiful, asshole

Now.. as asked... cite where in the constitution or law where any 1 person has lesser freedom by law to succeed or fail... and please, SHUT THE **** UP TIL YOU CAN PROVIDE THIS

 

[georgephillip]

Idiot georgiepordgie fell for an internet myth.... ******* laughable

Myth #5. ”Ayn Rand hid her use of Social Security under the name Ann O’Connor”

Fact: That is not even in the 100 Voices interview with the social worker. Her name on the Social Security payout and death records is Ayn Rand. And the insinuation that if she had used something equal to or similar to her legal married name (which would probably be “Alice O’Connor&#8221 that it was for concealment purposes is speculative and unfounded. See immediately below for why she had no reason to conceal.
Internet Myths About Ayn Rand « Fuguewriter

And Rand also spoke about social security before her death...
Say Anything » Liberals Call Ayn Rand A Hypocrite For Collecting Social Security And Medicare Benefits

The key is, little asswipe, getting rid of this forced contribution scheme by the government, so people don't have to be ridiculed for taking their own money back (less than their own contributions, usually)...

"A heavy smoker who refused to believe that smoking causes cancer brings to mind those today who are equally certain there is no such thing as global warming. Unfortunately, Miss Rand was a fatal victim of lung cancer.

"However, it was revealed in the recent 'Oral History of Ayn Rand' by Scott McConnell (founder of the media department at the Ayn Rand Institute) that in the end Ayn was a vip-dipper as well.

"An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor).

As Pryor said, 'Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out' without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help.'"

Michael Ford: Ayn Rand and the VIP-DIPers

Only figures a brain dead shit stain like you would fall for a vip-dipper like Ann O'Connor.

Try harder.

 

[Ragnar]

What happens if technology has been perfected to such a degree that capitalism is no longer capable of providing jobs to all who need one?

Human rights is a concept that isn't often raised in discussions like this one; however, sooner or later Americans are going to have to decide if human beings have a right to food, shelter and clean water regardless of their ability to pay for them with money.

We have. They don't.

In the same way Ann O'Connor didn't deserve Medicare?

"Her books provided wide-ranging parables of 'parasites,' 'looters' and 'moochers' using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, (Ayn) Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor)."

Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet

Nothing wrong getting your own money back from your legal looters whenever possible.

Also Ayn Rand had no problem at all with charity.

The fact that a man has no claim on others (i.e., that it is not their moral duty to help him and that he cannot demand their help as his right) does not preclude or prohibit good will among men and does not make it immoral to offer or to accept voluntary, non-sacrificial assistance.

It is altruism that has corrupted and perverted human benevolence by regarding the giver as an object of immolation, and the receiver as a helplessly miserable object of pity who holds a mortgage on the lives of others—a doctrine which is extremely offensive to both parties, leaving men no choice but the roles of sacrificial victim or moral cannibal . . . .

Charity — Ayn Rand Lexicon

 

[georgephillip]

And another winger site... Jeez.... care for something even remotely credible when claiming something as fact???

Hey.. next.. why not Randi Rhodes?? Jon Stewart?? Media Matters??

Give it a rest georgiepordgie... until you show something in the constitution or law that grants someone else more freedoms to succeed or fail than any other person....

New York Times.
Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Another winger site?

Which "winger site" is lying about the average real hourly earnings for all employees declining by 1.1% between June 2009 and May 2011?

Do you think it's false to claim that the salaries of top execs increased 27% last year while workers salaries increased only about 2 percent?

The rich are not through taking.
How much more are you planning to give?

New York Slimes.. liberal fishwrap extraordinaire... not to mention your little "thinkprogress" winger site

You're pitiful, asshole

Now.. as asked... cite where in the constitution or law where any 1 person has lesser freedom by law to succeed or fail... and please, SHUT THE **** UP TIL YOU CAN PROVIDE THIS

Your wish is my......whatever:

"The reality, according to the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, is that the percent of total tax revenue derived from corporate taxes has dropped from about 20% in the 1960s to under 9% in 2010.

"Why shouldn't profitable corporations and finance-savvy individuals pay back to the system that made them rich? Why shouldn't they pay for government-funded research, national security, infrastructure, and untaxed financial speculation opportunities?

"They don't want to pay, and that should make the rest of us angry. But if you don't like being angry, heed the advice of Goldman Sachs chairman Lloyd Blankfein: 'Everybody should be, frankly, happy...the financial system led us into the crisis and it will lead us out.'"

Do you agree with Lloyd, Loser?

Oh Say Can You Seethe.. | Common Dreams

 

[DiamondDave]

Idiot georgiepordgie fell for an internet myth.... ******* laughable

Myth #5. ”Ayn Rand hid her use of Social Security under the name Ann O’Connor”

Fact: That is not even in the 100 Voices interview with the social worker. Her name on the Social Security payout and death records is Ayn Rand. And the insinuation that if she had used something equal to or similar to her legal married name (which would probably be “Alice O’Connor”) that it was for concealment purposes is speculative and unfounded. See immediately below for why she had no reason to conceal.
Internet Myths About Ayn Rand « Fuguewriter

And Rand also spoke about social security before her death...
Say Anything » Liberals Call Ayn Rand A Hypocrite For Collecting Social Security And Medicare Benefits

The key is, little asswipe, getting rid of this forced contribution scheme by the government, so people don't have to be ridiculed for taking their own money back (less than their own contributions, usually)...

"A heavy smoker who refused to believe that smoking causes cancer brings to mind those today who are equally certain there is no such thing as global warming. Unfortunately, Miss Rand was a fatal victim of lung cancer.

"However, it was revealed in the recent 'Oral History of Ayn Rand' by Scott McConnell (founder of the media department at the Ayn Rand Institute) that in the end Ayn was a vip-dipper as well.

"An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand's law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand's behalf she secured Rand's Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O'Connor (husband Frank O'Connor).

As Pryor said, 'Doctors cost a lot more money than books earn and she could be totally wiped out' without the aid of these two government programs. Ayn took the bail out even though Ayn "despised government interference and felt that people should and could live independently... She didn't feel that an individual should take help.'"

Michael Ford: Ayn Rand and the VIP-DIPers

Only figures a brain dead shit stain like you would fall for a vip-dipper like Ann O'Connor.

Try harder.

Funny, dipshit.. look thru all my posts and see where I have cited her or called upon her writings??

I'lll be waiting

 

[DiamondDave]

New York Times.
Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Another winger site?

Which "winger site" is lying about the average real hourly earnings for all employees declining by 1.1% between June 2009 and May 2011?

Do you think it's false to claim that the salaries of top execs increased 27% last year while workers salaries increased only about 2 percent?

The rich are not through taking.
How much more are you planning to give?

New York Slimes.. liberal fishwrap extraordinaire... not to mention your little "thinkprogress" winger site

You're pitiful, asshole

Now.. as asked... cite where in the constitution or law where any 1 person has lesser freedom by law to succeed or fail... and please, SHUT THE **** UP TIL YOU CAN PROVIDE THIS

Your wish is my......whatever:

"The reality, according to the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, is that the percent of total tax revenue derived from corporate taxes has dropped from about 20% in the 1960s to under 9% in 2010.

"Why shouldn't profitable corporations and finance-savvy individuals pay back to the system that made them rich? Why shouldn't they pay for government-funded research, national security, infrastructure, and untaxed financial speculation opportunities?

"They don't want to pay, and that should make the rest of us angry. But if you don't like being angry, heed the advice of Goldman Sachs chairman Lloyd Blankfein: 'Everybody should be, frankly, happy...the financial system led us into the crisis and it will lead us out.'"

Do you agree with Lloyd, Loser?

Oh Say Can You Seethe.. | Common Dreams

Still waiting for you to show anywhere within law or constitution that any 1 person, by law, has any more rights or freedoms to succeed or fail than any other person

You keep trying to dodge... like a typical troll.. and I will hound you in every post I see of yours til you answer or admit your made-up bullshit

 

[georgephillip]

We have. They don't.

In the same way Ann O'Connor didn't deserve Medicare?

"Her books provided wide-ranging parables of 'parasites,' 'looters' and 'moochers' using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, (Ayn) Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor)."

Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet

Nothing wrong getting your own money back from your legal looters whenever possible.

Also Ayn Rand had no problem at all with charity.

The fact that a man has no claim on others (i.e., that it is not their moral duty to help him and that he cannot demand their help as his right) does not preclude or prohibit good will among men and does not make it immoral to offer or to accept voluntary, non-sacrificial assistance.

It is altruism that has corrupted and perverted human benevolence by regarding the giver as an object of immolation, and the receiver as a helplessly miserable object of pity who holds a mortgage on the lives of others—a doctrine which is extremely offensive to both parties, leaving men no choice but the roles of sacrificial victim or moral cannibal . . . .

Charity — Ayn*Rand Lexicon

Why the name deception?
Ann O' Connor?

 

[DiamondDave]

Btw.. your winger site's little 'contributor' is as much of a winger as you can get...

Paul Buchheit

Paul Buchheit is a college teacher, an active member of US Uncut Chicago, founder and developer of social justice and educational websites (UsAgainstGreed.org, PayUpNow.org, RappingHistory.org), and the editor and main author of "American Wars: Illusions and Realities" (Clarity Press). He can be reached at paul@UsAgainstGreed.org.