Oh look, more anti-free speech from Vance.

[frigidweirdo]

You're confusing free speech with treason. However, I am sure you know the difference but trying for that slippery slope fallacy.

No, I'm not.

Treason is part of freedom of speech.

If you have the right to say WHATEVER YOU LIKE, 100% freedom, then treason would not exist.

Treason is a limit on free speech.

In times of emergency, some rights are often reduced in their scope.

When it came to the covid period, a health emergency, you can argue that lives on at risk, just like in war.

Having people go around saying this, that or the other which causes more people to die, could be considered dangerous, and therefore not protected by free speech.

 

[IM2]

Did you miss all the people on the right that were fired, harassed and threatened over the last 10 or so years by the cancel culture warriors for statements that were labelled with the various "ists" you mentioned?

Many of the leading voices on the left can barely finish a sentence without accusing someone on the right of some "ism", it's gotten so old most normal people don't pay any attention to it anymore nor do they care. The nation is suffering from a pandemic of far left-wing lunatic fatigue and those who choose to celebrate Charlie Kirk's murder in public are starting to pay the price.

It's not the optimal situation but it certainly is justified.

FAFO: Left Wing Asshole Edition.

Getting fired for racist bullshit is not the same as being fired for criticizing the life of a bigot.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Exactly. Two can play this game of ratting each other out. Funny how Democrats didn't give a damn ending the career of those speaking out against the vaccine and question Covid.

How about not using preferred pronouns? H9w many lost their jobs for that?

 

[IM2]

Or people who though their evil and demented speech damage the reputation of the company.

Like the evil and demented speech that's damaging the presidency.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No, I'm not.

Treason is part of freedom of speech.

If you have the right to say WHATEVER YOU LIKE, 100% freedom, then treason would not exist.

Treason is a limit on free speech.

In times of emergency, some rights are often reduced in their scope.

When it came to the covid period, a health emergency, you can argue that lives on at risk, just like in war.

Having people go around saying this, that or the other which causes more people to die, could be considered dangerous, and therefore not protected by free speech.

Except that covid was a hoax.

 

[NetJedi]

I think you need to apply that to Charlie Kirk and other right-wing nuckle-dragging bigots.

Yeah, we've all just seen how your tribe "applies that" to people they disagree with.

The demons on the left that are celebrating Charlie's death in public are getting fired from their jobs not, as the left would have it if the situation were reversed, murdered.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Treason is part of freedom of speech.

Except Treason is punished under the law.

So no.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Except Treason is punished under the law.

So no.

Doesn't really matter.

That speech can be punished under the law says what?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Except that covid was a hoax.

Oh my god you people are ******* stupid.

 

[Missourian]

I think you need to apply that to Charlie Kirk and other right-wing nuckle-dragging bigots.

I'm sure you dipshits did try to get him fired.

And when that didn't work, you killed him, you ignorant, evil, piece of shit.

 

[MarathonMike]

Did the US vice president go out and tell people to fire those who said this?

I'm not attacking people for firing those who say something indecent.

I'm attacking a man who has gone around criticizing other countries for lack of freedom of speech, then actively gone out there to get people fired for this.

Do you see the difference?

Leftist fuckery was behind Black Lives Matter just as it was behind the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I could care less about your vendetta against my Vice President.

 

[Clipper]

So you aren’t upset about what’s happening you just want immunity from it.

What's happening is Trump & Vance are shooting off their big mouths & making the situation worse for their own political gain. Kirk losing his life at the hands of a nutcase is their newest tool.

Their craven attempts to gain political leverage by USING Kirk shows what type of men that they both are.

 

[Leo123]

No, I'm not.

Treason is part of freedom of speech.

If you have the right to say WHATEVER YOU LIKE, 100% freedom, then treason would not exist.

Treason is a limit on free speech.

In times of emergency, some rights are often reduced in their scope.

When it came to the covid period, a health emergency, you can argue that lives on at risk, just like in war.

Having people go around saying this, that or the other which causes more people to die, could be considered dangerous, and therefore not protected by free speech.

Treason in the U.S. consists ONLY of levying war against one's state or adhering to its Enemies. That's it. Speech alone is no reason for the charging of treason.

 

[Papageorgio]

Charlie Kirk death: Report those who celebrate the shooting to employers, Vance says

The vice-president's remarks come amid a wave of firings over posts deemed inappropriate about Kirk's death.

www.bbc.com

"Report those who celebrate Charlie Kirk death to employers, Vance says"

Yep, Vance wants to stop people saying negative things about Charlie Kirk.

""Call them out, and hell, call their employer," Vance said as he guest-hosted an episode of the Charlie Kirk Show. "We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility.""

Apparently they believe in "civility" which is news to me.

This from a guy who called out the UK on freedom of speech.

JD Vance calls out UK’s ‘modern dystopia’ amid ‘sad decline’ in freedom of speech

Essentially the right want to control speech if they don't like it, and make it free if they do. Kind of fascist to me.

I don’t agree with people celebrating Kirk’s death however, they have a right to their opinion. Vance has a right to his opinion and wyou can criticize.

If people lose their jobs for being hateful, employers have moral clauses and they are with in their right.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Oh my god you people are ******* stupid.

Odd. I think you are ******* stupid for believing that claptrap.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Doesn't really matter.

That speech can be punished under the law says what?

Is it?

When you incite violence, what is used?

Speech.

When you impel others to act, what method is used?

Speech.

If a person acts on the speech, and that act is illegal, we punish both of them.

Furthermore, it is the employer's prerogative to act on reports of employees celebrating Kirk's death, just as it is mine to act on reports of posts here on this forum.

JD Vance can't compel them to fire anyone.

 

[80zephyr]

The counter pressure is going to backfire on the GOP and on America. Free speech is critical to Americas success, invaluable in fact.

Nobody wants anyone fired for dissent, but we sure as hell want them to be fired when they call for the death of their opponents. As it should be.

 

[BackAgain]

The counter pressure is going to backfire on the GOP and on America. Free speech is critical to Americas success, invaluable in fact.

Although I find that you are usually pretty clear and level headed, I have to say:

It is not anti free speech to report to their bosses the low lives who celebrate (publically) the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Such vile commentary could damage the public perception of the employers and their companies.

They have a right to protect their corporate reputation.

And our (the US) Constitution’s guarantee of freedom of speech is in regard to government behavior. It doesn’t address the right of a company to protect itself.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

What's happening is Trump & Vance are shooting off their big mouths & making the situation worse for their own political gain. Kirk losing his life at the hands of a nutcase is their newest tool.

Their craven attempts to gain political leverage by USING Kirk shows what type of men that they both are.

Aren’t the democrats the ones calling for gun control after any shooting? Don’t get all worked up over the politics now. You people invented this game. Your indignation is worthless at this point.

 

[80zephyr]

The right is trying to get people fired for just disagreeing. And since the authoritarian Trump administration is behind it, people are intimidated by the threat of government repercussions to comply.

Bullshit. Disagreeing is one thing, celebrating an innocent death is another. Frankly, if I were working with a crazy like that, I would want him gone as well.