Oh look, more anti-free speech from Vance.

[EvilCat Breath]

Doesn't really matter.

That speech can be punished under the law says what?

It says you are wrong for thinking that freedom of speech is absolute.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Doesn't matter who pushed first. The US in spiralling out of control. Unless the political system changes, the US is doomed.

So, with that being said, does it matter what JD Vance says?

 

[Marener]

So what? Many people are opposed, and they are entitled to express their opinions.

Religious fundamentalists like Kirk do and they have a good chance at getting what they want given right wing control of the courts.

Right wingers pretend to be in favor of freedom, but it’s a facade.

 

[Lisa558]

My point is that Vance, when speaking as the Presidency, should not be talking about whether people should fire people for saying things.

It's not his job.

When Kyle Rittenhouse was acquited by the jury, Biden said they got it wrong. It was pretty awful for him to undermine the judicial system like that, but it was his opinion.

 

[drudge X]

No, I'm not.

Treason is part of freedom of speech.

If you have the right to say WHATEVER YOU LIKE, 100% freedom, then treason would not exist.

Treason is a limit on free speech.

In times of emergency, some rights are often reduced in their scope.

When it came to the covid period, a health emergency, you can argue that lives on at risk, just like in war.

Having people go around saying this, that or the other which causes more people to die, could be considered dangerous, and therefore not protected by free speech.

Treason is a law. Saying Covid is not putting lives at risk is an opinion. You’re comparing giving the enemy the location of US ships in time of war vs. an opinion that covid is not deadly, although there is truth to that statement. You’re free to tell the enemy where the ships are but expect prosecution because betraying the country is treason. Every country has this law, even the most liberal country will not allow treason.

 

[drudge X]

My point is that Vance, when speaking as the Presidency, should not be talking about whether people should fire people for saying things.

It's not his job.

It’s also not your job to decide what he can or cannot say unless he violated the law. He is nowhere near what Biden did and that was colluding with social media to take down critics. Were you angry when Biden did that?

 

[Lisa558]

Religious fundamentalists like Kirk do and they have a good chance at getting what they want given right wing control of the courts.

Right wingers pretend to be in favor of freedom, but it’s a facade.

They have a good chance of getting murdered by leftists who don’t like their opinions.

And why doesn’t Vance get the same freedom as you want the haters on the Left to have? You want the leftist haters to be free to call for more conservatives to be killed, but you don’t want a decent man to say he thinks they should be fired for that?

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, with that being said, does it matter what JD Vance says?

I mean, it's another nail in the coffin, the US will probably still be doomed without him, but Vance is doing a Trump, getting himself in the media at all costs, no matter what he says, and it's easier to get in the media by saying bad things.

That's what US politics has come to.

Do people want change? Doesn't seem so.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

It's self serving.

Where was all that when Democrats got shot up, their houses burned or their spouses attacked with a hammer?

Vance doesn't give a crap who said what about any of that, it's only when one of his own goes down that he wants to have a special shut-them-up cancel session.

We made our best wishes known. You wouldn’t accept them and acted as if we had done something wrong. Your first reaction to any travesty is to find some way to blame us. Even if you have to make it up. You don’t argue in good faith. Even now you refuse to acknowledge the shooter was left wing.

We’ve given you every chance to be civil at every turn. You keep refusing that.

 

[Lisa558]

It’s also not your job to decide what he can or cannot say unless he violated the law. He is nowhere near what Biden did and that was colluding with social media to take down critics. Were you angry when Biden did that?

Thanks. These lefties are such hypocrites.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Religious fundamentalists like Kirk do and they have a good chance at getting what they want given right wing control of the courts.

Right wingers pretend to be in favor of freedom, but it’s a facade.

So, you didn't watch the video I showed you.

 

[drudge X]

Religious fundamentalists like Kirk do and they have a good chance at getting what they want given right wing control of the courts.

Right wingers pretend to be in favor of freedom, but it’s a facade.

You wake me up when the Trump administration colludes with social media to end people’s career.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I mean, it's another nail in the coffin, the US will probably still be doomed without him, but Vance is doing a Trump, getting himself in the media at all costs, no matter what he says, and it's easier to get in the media by saying bad things.

That's what US politics has come to.

Do people want change? Doesn't seem so.

Trump, Vance and Kirk are the change we want.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Treason is a law. Saying Covid is not putting lives at risk is an opinion. You’re comparing giving the enemy the location of US ships in time of war vs. an opinion that covid is not deadly, although there is truth to that statement. You’re free to tell the enemy where the ships are but expect prosecution because betraying the country is treason. Every country has this law, even the most liberal country will not allow treason.

Treason is a law.

But Free Speech is a protected right.

So you can have laws that go against protected rights.

If somebody dies because you gave away troop movements, and if somebody dies because you created a movement to make people reject the thing that could have protected them, what's the difference?

If they made a law saying "you can't criticize the coronavirus vaccine", would you accept it the same as treason?

 

[Marener]

They have a good chance of getting murdered by leftists who don’t like their opinions.

And why doesn’t Vance get the same freedom as you want the haters on the Left to have? You want the leftist haters to be free to call for more conservatives to be killed, but you don’t want a decent man to say he thinks they should be fired for that?

Everyone has a good chance at getting murderer every day including children just going to school. There’s a few hundred million guns out there and it’s going to stay that way.

The deaths of innocents is just the price we have to pay, according to the right. We just have to get over it and move on, according to the right.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It’s also not your job to decide what he can or cannot say unless he violated the law. He is nowhere near what Biden did and that was colluding with social media to take down critics. Were you angry when Biden did that?

Well, it doesn't need to be my job. I'm a normal person. Freedom of speech is protected for me to criticize politicians, to give my opinions.

The fact is that a President, or VP, shouldn't just stick to the law, they should be better than that.

I did not like what Biden did. He shouldn't have done it.

 

[BlueGin]

Define "celebrating"... oh, it's very easy for them to say "this is celebrating" when it might just be "he got what he deserved because he said that gun deaths are 'worth it'"

The people cheering on an assassination are also making hit lists for left wing loons to act on. They are inciting violence.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Religious fundamentalists like Kirk do and they have a good chance at getting what they want given right wing control of the courts.

Right wingers pretend to be in favor of freedom, but it’s a facade.

Do you think freedom is killing someone you disagree with?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The people cheering on an assassination are also making hit lists for left wing loons to act on. They are inciting violence.

I agree.

 

[Marener]

You wake me up when the Trump administration colludes with social media to end people’s career.

This is the most anti-free speech administration we’ve ever seen.