obama to condemn Christian film maker before UN

[Steelplate]

The religious terrorist who made the film should spend the rest of his life at Gitmo.

Hey Steelplate where is your response to this turd? Ohh that's right you are not left or right, you just happen to ALWAYS support the left and always attack the right. Funny how that works out.

ummm...didn't see it. I was too busy defending my faith against an Atheist last night. Unfortunately, I had to go to bed for WORK this morning....and even more unfortunately, I woke up with a stomach virus and called in sick...Three shit's and a puke later.....here I am.

Of course that's over the top....but, I have a feeling Lahkota knows it is.....I could be wrong, but maybe he/she is trying to get under your skin.

 

[Bfgrn]

And no abortion supporter should ever call himself/herself a Roman Catholic.

Who supports abortion? I despise abortion. I just happen to think that it's a personal choice and a sin....If my 19 year old daughter were to get pregnant and she wanted to get an abortion...My wife and I would do everything in our power to keep her from having that stain on her soul. Even raise the child ourselves until she got out of college and started her career. But, if she refused and went through with it anyway....that would be her choice, and that decision would be hers to have to live with for the rest of her life.

I have enough sins on my own ledger that I don't feel the need to legislate other people's choices.

So explain slowly and carefully why Obama needs to apologize to Muslims over this film but has no worry and won't apologize for Urine Jesus and shit Mary? If the answer is because the Muslims riot then he is a coward. And so are you for supporting him in his cowardice.

Freedom of speech is not a one way street. You would deny that of the President? Is it possible to defend the right to free speech and condemn what was spoken?

 

[idb]

Is this the upcoming condemnation referred to in the OP?

National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor previews the president's speech to the UN General Assembly next week:

"UNGA always provides an opportunity for the President to put the international situation in context, and to put forward a vision of US leadership. I would certainly expect the President to address the recent unrest in the Muslim world, and the broader context of the democratic transitions in the Arab World."

More after the jump:

"As he has in recent days, the President will make it clear that we reject the views in this video, while also underscoring that violence is never acceptable – a message that has been echoed by the leaders he has personally reached out to in places like Libya, Egypt and Yemen. He will also send a clear message that the United States will never retreat from the world; will bring justice to those who harm Americans; and will stand strongly for our democratic values abroad.

With respect to Iran, we have consistently framed that issue around Iran’s profound failure to meet its international obligations with respect to its nuclear program. Therefore, UNGA presents another opportunity for him to underscore that Iran must not be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon.

Any time the President goes to the UNGA, he has an opportunity to set the agenda on the world stage as the leader of the world’s most powerful nation. He does so with the credibility of strengthening our alliances, ending the war in Iraq, devastating al Qaeda, and rallying international action on challenges like securing nuclear materials and stopping the spread of nuclear weapons. It’s clear that the United States is in a stronger position than we were when he took office."

Obama to address Muslim unrest | POLITICO 44 - POLITICO.com

 

[idb]

He's going to condem a stupid hateful film that inflamed and insulted a billion people?

Good for him.

You boys wanting to throw flames on this fire are damned fools.

Grow up boys. He's representing out nation, not a biker club filled with hateful nitwits.

No grownups are impressed by your braggadocio.

obama does not represent me, he needs to shut the **** up until after he loses in Nov.

You haven't been following the news, have you?

 

[Bfgrn]

They didn't? Can you point out one example of any president going before the UN and condemning the speech of a US citizen in the last 237 years?

I think you need to learn what condemn means. We've been over this already, your wrong, let it go.

I think you need to read the OP where it says Obama is planning a speech going before the UN and condemning a video which is protected speech under US jurisprudence. After that you should go back and reread my question that challenged you to name a single example of any president condemning the speech of a US citizen in front of the UN in the last 237 years. After you do that you can explain why, since I am using the word condemn properly, I need to learn what it means.

Alternatively, you could take the simple way out and pretend this never happened.

I think you need to understand that the OP is not an unbiased source. It is an op-ed piece and added the word Christian to inflame hatred of our President.

 

[Steelplate]

They didn't? Can you point out one example of any president going before the UN and condemning the speech of a US citizen in the last 237 years?

I think you need to learn what condemn means. We've been over this already, your wrong, let it go.

I think you need to read the OP where it says Obama is planning a speech going before the UN and condemning a video which is protected speech under US jurisprudence. After that you should go back and reread my question that challenged you to name a single example of any president condemning the speech of a US citizen in front of the UN in the last 237 years. After you do that you can explain why, since I am using the word condemn properly, I need to learn what it means.

Alternatively, you could take the simple way out and pretend this never happened.

So...you are saying he should embrace the film?

Well...perhaps he should go on there and embrace the KKK, Nazism, the Westboro Baptist Church(there's an ambassador of Christ, right amazed?), pornography, snuff films, and a host of other shit that people have the RIGHT to do(except, of course....the snuff films).

Condemning the film takes no one's rights away. It's a message of disapproval....nothing more.

Let me ask you this....when in the last 237 years....which is a bullshit number, BTW because the UN has only been in existence for 67 years....since 1945.....but when in the last 67 years has a citizen of the US created such unrest that this shit is necessary to try to calm things down?

Of course, it seems that you guys don't want to calm things down. You want a holy war and any stupid, fucked up reason is good enough. Haven't you seen enough bloodshed? Haven't you seen enough pain? Haven't you seen enough wasted time, money and lives?

 

[CMike]

Who supports abortion? I despise abortion. I just happen to think that it's a personal choice and a sin....If my 19 year old daughter were to get pregnant and she wanted to get an abortion...My wife and I would do everything in our power to keep her from having that stain on her soul. Even raise the child ourselves until she got out of college and started her career. But, if she refused and went through with it anyway....that would be her choice, and that decision would be hers to have to live with for the rest of her life.

I have enough sins on my own ledger that I don't feel the need to legislate other people's choices.

So explain slowly and carefully why Obama needs to apologize to Muslims over this film but has no worry and won't apologize for Urine Jesus and shit Mary? If the answer is because the Muslims riot then he is a coward. And so are you for supporting him in his cowardice.

Freedom of speech is not a one way street. You would deny that of the President? Is it possible to defend the right to free speech and condemn what was spoken?

Obama is very poorly representing this country.

We are exercising our free speech and condemning his actions.

 

[CMike]

Oh shit, Matt, you just created another round of embassy terrorism, dont you feel bad.......it's not the retarded assholes that kill people and blow shit up, it's all because of YOU!!!!!!!!!

atleast that's what Black Label says! Obama told him so!

Obama may condemn the post as well.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

He's going to condem a stupid hateful film that inflamed and insulted a billion people?

Good for him.

You boys wanting to throw flames on this fire are damned fools.

Grow up boys. He's representing out nation, not a biker club filled with hateful nitwits.

No grownups are impressed by your braggadocio.

obama does not represent me, he needs to shut the **** up until after he loses in Nov.

You haven't been following the news, have you?

If I said obama represented me would be like saying hitler also represented me.
I will never fight to defend obama in no way shape or form.

 

[Bfgrn]

So explain slowly and carefully why Obama needs to apologize to Muslims over this film but has no worry and won't apologize for Urine Jesus and shit Mary? If the answer is because the Muslims riot then he is a coward. And so are you for supporting him in his cowardice.

Freedom of speech is not a one way street. You would deny that of the President? Is it possible to defend the right to free speech and condemn what was spoken?

Obama is very poorly representing this country.

We are exercising our free speech and condemning his actions.

But Obama can't exercise his right to free speech? So should the President of the United States stand before the world and praise the incendiary film that is not filled with truth, just hate filled propaganda?

 

[CMike]

Freedom of speech is not a one way street. You would deny that of the President? Is it possible to defend the right to free speech and condemn what was spoken?

Obama is very poorly representing this country.

We are exercising our free speech and condemning his actions.

But Obama can't exercise his right to free speech? So should the President of the United States stand before the world and praise the incendiary film that is not filled with truth, just hate filled propaganda?

He shouldn't make any remarks condemning someone exercising free speech.

Obama is shamefully representing this country especially in front of the UN.

 

[Bfgrn]

Obama is very poorly representing this country.

We are exercising our free speech and condemning his actions.

But Obama can't exercise his right to free speech? So should the President of the United States stand before the world and praise the incendiary film that is not filled with truth, just hate filled propaganda?

He shouldn't make any remarks condemning someone exercising free speech.

Obama is shamefully representing this country especially in front of the UN.

Really? So President Obama is not to be afforded freedom of speech, because you don't like what he has to say.

 

[RoadVirus]

Obama to Condemn Christian Filmmaker Before United Nations

Once again somehow someway it's America's fault. Always funny how it always turns out this way.

And of course, American voters will still vote for this appeasing retread.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Is Hussein Obama going to condemn the crucifix immersed in urine at the UN also? After all, he stated the United States doesn't tolerate ANY and ALL religions being denegrated. Last time I checked, Christianity is a religion and claimed by over 70% of the population here in America.. Just who does Hussein Obama represent?

 

[Steelplate]

Obama to Condemn Christian Filmmaker Before United Nations

Once again somehow someway it's America's fault. Always funny how it always turns out this way.

And of course, American voters will still vote for this appeasing retread.

So....you two feel that the gentleman who made the film represents America's opinion of Islam? After all...Tyrone feels that "it's America's fault" in they eyes of Obama, you think he's "appeasing", not trying to calm things down.

So, you both must feel that the film maker is in the right and it's worth potentially going to war for.

 

[Steelplate]

Is Hussein Obama going to condemn the crucifix immersed in urine at the UN also? After all, he stated the United States doesn't tolerate ANY and ALL religions being denegrated. Last time I checked, Christianity is a religion and claimed by over 70% of the population here in America.. Just who does Hussein Obama represent?

So, what you are saying is that our constitution is binding beyond our borders? That other countries have to bow down to our Constitution or risk the wrath of the United States?

This isn't about appeasing Islam....this is about avoiding a conflict that we can't afford...either monetarily or in American lives. If you feel it's something worth killing and dying for....I suggest that you yourself and likeminded individuals pay your own way over there, take your weapons with you, and have at it.

If you include the "war on drugs" we have been at war with something my entire life...Personally? I'm sick of it.

 

[Bfgrn]

Is Hussein Obama going to condemn the crucifix immersed in urine at the UN also? After all, he stated the United States doesn't tolerate ANY and ALL religions being denegrated. Last time I checked, Christianity is a religion and claimed by over 70% of the population here in America.. Just who does Hussein Obama represent?

Irony abounds here...

Christian fundamentalists in France destroy "Piss Christ" artwork

Monsterandcritics

Paris - A group of Christian fundamentalists armed with hammers and screwdrivers destroyed two artworks in an exhibition in the southern French city of Avignon at the weekend, one of which depicted a crucifix immersed in urine, French media reported Monday.

The attack on the photographs of US artist Andres Serrano, which were being shown as part the I Believe in Miracles exhibition of contemporary art followed calls by the local Catholic archbishop for the 'Piss Christ' photograph to be taken down.

The photograph, taken by Serrano in 1987, shows a plastic crucifix wallowing in a glass of the artist's urine. The Christ figure appears to glow in the image, which caused a scandal when it was first exhibited in 1989 and which has since toured the world.

Civitas, a lobby group which says it aims to 're-Christianize France,' called the piece 'sacrilege vis-a-vis God and Catholics' and launched a petition for it to be removed from the exhibition at the residence housing the Yvon Lambert collection.

On Saturday a group of around 500 people shouting Christian slogans demonstrated outside the building, Liberation reported.

The following day four youths wearing sunglasses entered the building and surrounded two security guards stationed in front of the artwork, while others began hacking at it and another of Serrano's photographs, showing a nun meditating.

Culture Minister Frederic Mitterand denounced the incident as an 'attack on the freedom of creation.'

While 'recognizing that the (Piss Christ) artwork could shock certain audiences,' Mitterand said 'any act of violence, destruction and intolerance is unacceptable.'

The attack is not the first involving the artwork. A copy of Piss Christ was vandalized at the National Gallery of Victoria in the Australian city of Melbourne in 1997, during a Serrano retrospective.

The Melbourne gallery later cancelled the show.

Eric Mezil, the director of the Lambert collection, said he would leave the shattered artworks hanging so that the public could 'appreciate the barbarity committed by extremists.'

Posted in: Radicals

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Is Hussein Obama going to condemn the crucifix immersed in urine at the UN also? After all, he stated the United States doesn't tolerate ANY and ALL religions being denegrated. Last time I checked, Christianity is a religion and claimed by over 70% of the population here in America.. Just who does Hussein Obama represent?

Irony abounds here...

Christian fundamentalists in France destroy "Piss Christ" artwork

Monsterandcritics

Paris - A group of Christian fundamentalists armed with hammers and screwdrivers destroyed two artworks in an exhibition in the southern French city of Avignon at the weekend, one of which depicted a crucifix immersed in urine, French media reported Monday.

The attack on the photographs of US artist Andres Serrano, which were being shown as part the I Believe in Miracles exhibition of contemporary art followed calls by the local Catholic archbishop for the 'Piss Christ' photograph to be taken down.

The photograph, taken by Serrano in 1987, shows a plastic crucifix wallowing in a glass of the artist's urine. The Christ figure appears to glow in the image, which caused a scandal when it was first exhibited in 1989 and which has since toured the world.

Civitas, a lobby group which says it aims to 're-Christianize France,' called the piece 'sacrilege vis-a-vis God and Catholics' and launched a petition for it to be removed from the exhibition at the residence housing the Yvon Lambert collection.

On Saturday a group of around 500 people shouting Christian slogans demonstrated outside the building, Liberation reported.

The following day four youths wearing sunglasses entered the building and surrounded two security guards stationed in front of the artwork, while others began hacking at it and another of Serrano's photographs, showing a nun meditating.

Culture Minister Frederic Mitterand denounced the incident as an 'attack on the freedom of creation.'

While 'recognizing that the (Piss Christ) artwork could shock certain audiences,' Mitterand said 'any act of violence, destruction and intolerance is unacceptable.'

The attack is not the first involving the artwork. A copy of Piss Christ was vandalized at the National Gallery of Victoria in the Australian city of Melbourne in 1997, during a Serrano retrospective.

The Melbourne gallery later cancelled the show.

Eric Mezil, the director of the Lambert collection, said he would leave the shattered artworks hanging so that the public could 'appreciate the barbarity committed by extremists.'

Posted in: Radicals

Last time I check France is not in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Is Hussein Obama going to condemn the crucifix immersed in urine at the UN also? After all, he stated the United States doesn't tolerate ANY and ALL religions being denegrated. Last time I checked, Christianity is a religion and claimed by over 70% of the population here in America.. Just who does Hussein Obama represent?

So, what you are saying is that our constitution is binding beyond our borders? That other countries have to bow down to our Constitution or risk the wrath of the United States?

This isn't about appeasing Islam....this is about avoiding a conflict that we can't afford...either monetarily or in American lives. If you feel it's something worth killing and dying for....I suggest that you yourself and likeminded individuals pay your own way over there, take your weapons with you, and have at it.

If you include the "war on drugs" we have been at war with something my entire life...Personally? I'm sick of it.

Show me where I said anything remotely stupid as to what you claim I did??? I stated that this PRESIDENT himself made the big ******* pronouncement that ALL religions should be respected and not denegrated. That this President has decided to use the back-drop of the UN to once again apologize for FREEDOM OF SPEECH concering Islam and asked a perfectly reasonable question. Will he also make an apology to Americans and condemn the Museum which plans to exhibit a crucifix in urine?? Has nothing to do with other countries you ******* dolt. I don't give a rats ass what muslims or anyone else doesn't like in regard to our freedoms. **** them and **** you.

 

[Bfgrn]

Is Hussein Obama going to condemn the crucifix immersed in urine at the UN also? After all, he stated the United States doesn't tolerate ANY and ALL religions being denegrated. Last time I checked, Christianity is a religion and claimed by over 70% of the population here in America.. Just who does Hussein Obama represent?

Irony abounds here...

Christian fundamentalists in France destroy "Piss Christ" artwork

Monsterandcritics

Paris - A group of Christian fundamentalists armed with hammers and screwdrivers destroyed two artworks in an exhibition in the southern French city of Avignon at the weekend, one of which depicted a crucifix immersed in urine, French media reported Monday.

The attack on the photographs of US artist Andres Serrano, which were being shown as part the I Believe in Miracles exhibition of contemporary art followed calls by the local Catholic archbishop for the 'Piss Christ' photograph to be taken down.

The photograph, taken by Serrano in 1987, shows a plastic crucifix wallowing in a glass of the artist's urine. The Christ figure appears to glow in the image, which caused a scandal when it was first exhibited in 1989 and which has since toured the world.

Civitas, a lobby group which says it aims to 're-Christianize France,' called the piece 'sacrilege vis-a-vis God and Catholics' and launched a petition for it to be removed from the exhibition at the residence housing the Yvon Lambert collection.

On Saturday a group of around 500 people shouting Christian slogans demonstrated outside the building, Liberation reported.

The following day four youths wearing sunglasses entered the building and surrounded two security guards stationed in front of the artwork, while others began hacking at it and another of Serrano's photographs, showing a nun meditating.

Culture Minister Frederic Mitterand denounced the incident as an 'attack on the freedom of creation.'

While 'recognizing that the (Piss Christ) artwork could shock certain audiences,' Mitterand said 'any act of violence, destruction and intolerance is unacceptable.'

The attack is not the first involving the artwork. A copy of Piss Christ was vandalized at the National Gallery of Victoria in the Australian city of Melbourne in 1997, during a Serrano retrospective.

The Melbourne gallery later cancelled the show.

Eric Mezil, the director of the Lambert collection, said he would leave the shattered artworks hanging so that the public could 'appreciate the barbarity committed by extremists.'

Posted in: Radicals

Last time I check France is not in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Then tell lady gun licker President Obama should not comment on or condemn the crucifix immersed in urine at the UN also. He doesn't represent France.