Obama to announce Tuesday he will regulate existing power plants as part of climate s

[Seawytch]

There are a couple of new terms in Europe these days. Fuel Poverty and Energy Poverty.

The cost of going green. Dying prematurely is part of the package according to experts.

Across Europe, average electricity prices for households and industries have increased by 29% between 2005 and 2011

. Over the same period of time electricity prices in the USA increased by only 5% and in Japan by 1%.

Households paid a record $1,419 on average for electricity in 2010, the fifth consecutive yearly increase above the inflation rate, a USA TODAY analysis of government data found. The jump has added about $300 a year to what households pay for electricity. That's the largest sustained increase since a run-up in electricity prices during the 1970s.

Household electricity bills skyrocket

In the UK household electricity prices jumped even higher – we’re seeing an increase of over80% since 2005.

This was paralleled by an unprecedented surge in the number of households affected by energy poverty in the UK, from 2 million to 5 million.

Europe has allowed the problem of energy poverty to grow out of proportion as many households struggle to pay their energy bills or are unable to maintain sufficient level of heating during winter.

Rather unsurprisingly, all four demonstrate price hikes over the period, though some are more dramatic than others. Electricity and gas - the two most-used household energies - have nearly doubled over the last seven years of the index, owing to their ties with oil prices, as well as a number of other factors. The industrialisation of foreign nations, plus growing international prices for the commodity, has forced coal costs higher for UK citizens.

The Changing Costs of Utility Prices in the UK

Today between 50 and 125 million people are affected by energy poverty in Europe.

In Bulgaria, Portugal, Lithuania, Romania, Cyprus, Latvia and Malta over 30% of people are unable to keep their homes warm and face disproportionately high energy bills. Meanwhile over 20% of people living in Greece, Poland, Italy, Hungary and Spain face the same challenges.

The problem of fuel poverty in Europe goes beyond mere considerations of comfort.

In England and Wales, 27,000 people die each year because of cold temperatures and 10% of this is directly attributed to fuel poverty.

Extrapolating these figures to the EU level, well over 20,000 people could be dying because of unaffordable fuel every year in Europe.

However, this is a very conservative estimate. Bjorn Lomborg estimates that around 1.5 million people could be dying prematurely each year because of the cold.[/B]

Soaring energy costs make Europeans poor | EurActiv

More people apply for energy assistance to help with heating

95,000 Excess U.S. Deaths during the Cold Months Each Year

Welcome to a worldwide increase in demand, an increasing shortage of resources and a fucking recession.

 

[Oddball]

Welcome to a worldwide increase in demand, an increasing shortage of resources and a fucking recession.

Welcome to "green" environazi whack jobs, who stand in the way of traditional energy production.

 

[The Rabbi]

I swear Obama lives in "la la land". By making this move at this time he is going to crush the economy just as it is starting to recover.

He's listening to the American people...something Congress is unwilling (or unable) to do.

Three-quarters of Americans think the federal government should regulate the release into the atmosphere of greenhouse gases from power plants, cars and factories to reduce global warming, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, with substantial majority support from Democrats, Republicans and independents.

Limits on Emissions Have Wide Support

First off, I call bullshit on the 3/4 number.

Second of all, that poll doesn't say that people want the Boiking ruling by decree.

Let me phrase the question and I'll get you the poll answer you want.
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[Old Rocks]

Energy prices have been going up for the last 30 years. And they will continue to go up as the energy market is international. China wants to buy our coal and gas. Many other nations are already buying gasoline and diesel from our refineries. You are competing with South Americans, Asians, and Europeans for the energy you will get, whether in the form of petroleum, natural gas, or coal.

You want to do something about it? Put solar on your property, grid tie, and become a producer as well as a consumer. Insulate your home, buy only energy effiecient appliances. Or sit and whine, and be a fool and pay for your proflagicy.

 

[depotoo]

I swear Obama lives in "la la land". By making this move at this time he is going to crush the economy just as it is starting to recover.

He's listening to the American people...something Congress is unwilling (or unable) to do.

Three-quarters of Americans think the federal government should regulate the release into the atmosphere of greenhouse gases from power plants, cars and factories to reduce global warming, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, with substantial majority support from Democrats, Republicans and independents.

Limits on Emissions Have Wide Support

First off, I call bullshit on the 3/4 number.

Second of all, that poll doesn't say that people want the Boiking ruling by decree.

and third the poll is from 4 years ago, before climategate.

 

[tinydancer]

Welcome to a worldwide increase in demand, an increasing shortage of resources and a fucking recession.

Welcome to "green" environazi whack jobs, who stand in the way of traditional energy production.

The high cost of so called "green energy" will break the bank big time. Europe's leaders lied to their citizens when they said prices will only rise "a bit".

You know, for the planet, for the children just pay a little more blah blah blah.

In the EU coal-fired power plants generate electricity at half the price of offshore wind turbines and a quarter of the price of solar PVs – not to mention the additional comparative advantage of coal in terms of non-intermittent energy supply which does not need back-up generation capacity.

Meanwhile in China.....

 

[Old Rocks]

How much is the health of our children worth? Asthma, autism, and many more diseases are direct results of the pollution that the coal fired plants spit out.

According to this, wind is actually cheaper now than conventional coal. Natural gas comes in cheapest of all.

 

[Oddball]

Energy prices have been going up for the last 30 years. And they will continue to go up as the energy market is international. China wants to buy our coal and gas. Many other nations are already buying gasoline and diesel from our refineries. You are competing with South Americans, Asians, and Europeans for the energy you will get, whether in the form of petroleum, natural gas, or coal.

You want to do something about it? Put solar on your property, grid tie, and become a producer as well as a consumer. Insulate your home, buy only energy effiecient appliances. Or sit and whine, and be a fool and pay for your proflagicy.

You want to do something about it?...Get the "green" environazi whacks out of the way of coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear production...And while we're at it, we could use 20 or 30 new refineries.

 

[Mr. H.]

How much is the health of our children worth? Asthma, autism, and many more diseases are direct results of the pollution that the coal fired plants spit out.

According to this, wind is actually cheaper now than conventional coal. Natural gas comes in cheapest of all.

Our nation is being regulated and legislated to the brink.
We've done our part, now it's time for the real polluters to step up to the plate.

While we're at it, add the U.S. agriculture industry to the likes of China as a major source of global poisoning.

 

[RoadVirus]

President Obama will announce Tuesday in a speech at Georgetown University that he plans to regulate greenhouse-gas emissions from existing power plants, according to individuals who have been briefed on the plan but asked not to be identified.

Translation: He's going to force more power plants to shut down, thus increasing both electricity prices and strain on the already-overloaded power grid.

 

[RoadVirus]

YAY, He's going to KILL dirty coal and OIL.

Yay! He's going to kill thousands of jobs in America's coal country! The same coal country that re-elected him! He sure knows how to treat those poor folks who voted for him twice!

 

[Redfish]

this is typical of the libtards and their messiah chairman maobama. Spend billions and damage average americans attacking a problem that does not exist.

AGW is a hoax. Attacking pollution is fine, and we have been doing that quite effectively for years.

Making utility bills skyrocket will only do additional damage to an already damaged economy.

 

[Redfish]

How much is the health of our children worth? Asthma, autism, and many more diseases are direct results of the pollution that the coal fired plants spit out.

According to this, wind is actually cheaper now than conventional coal. Natural gas comes in cheapest of all.

Our nation is being regulated and legislated to the brink.
We've done our part, now it's time for the real polluters to step up to the plate.

While we're at it, add the U.S. agriculture industry to the likes of China as a major source of global poisoning.

So your answer is for us to stop producing food and declare war on China?

 

[Katzndogz]

All obama has to do is produce a few fake polls and all of a sudden most Americans want him to quadruple energy prices.

 

[tinydancer]

When Europeans are actually gathering statistics on their citizens level of "fuel poverty" I'd say that's a big hint that green energy is not only killing European economies but their citizens as well.

 

[Nova78]

Yet we still import shit from China by the boatload ............

 

[jwoodie]

I swear Obama lives in "la la land". By making this move at this time he is going to crush the economy just as it is starting to recover.

He's listening to the American people...something Congress is unwilling (or unable) to do.

Three-quarters of Americans think the federal government should regulate the release into the atmosphere of greenhouse gases from power plants, cars and factories to reduce global warming, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, with substantial majority support from Democrats, Republicans and independents.

Limits on Emissions Have Wide Support

Three-quarters of Americans are morons. But thanks for speaking for them.

 

[jwoodie]

How much is the health of our children worth? Asthma, autism, and many more diseases are direct results of the pollution that the coal fired plants spit out.

According to this, wind is actually cheaper now than conventional coal. Natural gas comes in cheapest of all.

Speaking of hot air and natural gas...

 

[Mr. H.]

How much is the health of our children worth? Asthma, autism, and many more diseases are direct results of the pollution that the coal fired plants spit out.

According to this, wind is actually cheaper now than conventional coal. Natural gas comes in cheapest of all.

Our nation is being regulated and legislated to the brink.
We've done our part, now it's time for the real polluters to step up to the plate.

While we're at it, add the U.S. agriculture industry to the likes of China as a major source of global poisoning.

So your answer is for us to stop producing food and declare war on China?

When we export millions of metric tons of grains annually, and devote nearly 40 million acres of cropland to support an unneeded ethanol industry (which itself is a polluter) then it's time to re-think our devotion to and admiration of the agriculture industry.

Planting those ethanol corn acres with trees would capture over a trillion tons of C02 while emitting hundreds of trillion tons of oxygen.

Do the math.

War on China? Where the fuck you get that from?

 

[tinydancer]

How much is the health of our children worth? Asthma, autism, and many more diseases are direct results of the pollution that the coal fired plants spit out.

According to this, wind is actually cheaper now than conventional coal. Natural gas comes in cheapest of all.

Europeans are faced with a choice between fuel and food.

3 million fuel-poor households by 2016, report claims

Government-commissioned report calls for a 'renewed and ambitious strategy' for tackling fuel poverty

Between 7.8 and 8.9 million people in England will be living in fuel poverty by 2016, despite the introduction of government measures intended to tackle the problem, according to findings from the Hills Fuel Poverty Review.

The report claims a "profoundly disappointing" 3 million households will be fuel-poor by 2016, and that the current number living in fuel poverty is worse than previously estimated.

The poverty gap – the amount those with badly insulated homes and poor heating systems would need to spend to escape fuel poverty – will rise from £1.1bn in 2009 to £1.7bn in the next four years.

The independent review, written by John Hills, director of the Centre for Analysis of Social Exclusion at the London School of Economics, was commissioned by the government to investigate how to better define and measure fuel poverty, and tackle the underlying problems that cause it.

In the final report, Hills claims the standard formula for measuring fuel poverty – any household needing to spend more than 10% of their income on fuel to heat a home to an adequate standard of warmth – is flawed because it includes some people who are not poor, but ignores some families on low incomes who are struggling.

3 million fuel-poor households by 2016, report claims | Money | guardian.co.uk