Obama: Iran has a "right" to nuclear energy

[MaggieMae]

we are still waiting for your wiki link cupcake!

"We"??? Everyone but you seems to be able to find answers quite easily. But here, I'll give you something that I KNOW you won't read. It's got big words.

The Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty

we wanna know the link to the 100 nuke plants that have been built since what was it? Three mile island"? I believe that was what we were waiting for.. cupcake!

Still don't know how to do your own homework. Amazing. It's so ******* simple, you could do it blindfolded. I've posted link after link. Now I'm thinking you can't even ******* read, let alone use a mouse.

 

[DavidS]

i don't think anyone has a "right" to nuclear energy....if it is a right...where did the right come from

national sovereignty

Ah, so then you support Israel having nuclear power then, yes?

 

[WillowTree]

"We"??? Everyone but you seems to be able to find answers quite easily. But here, I'll give you something that I KNOW you won't read. It's got big words.

The Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty

we wanna know the link to the 100 nuke plants that have been built since what was it? Three mile island"? I believe that was what we were waiting for.. cupcake!

Still don't know how to do your own homework. Amazing. It's so ******* simple, you could do it blindfolded. I've posted link after link. Now I'm thinking you can't even ******* read, let alone use a mouse.

got those goal posts moved yet cupcake??

 

[Shogun]

Sounds like something a little more close to home than racism tho. Just an observation. So, from your point of view, you think that the Arab/muslim hatred of the Jews stems from the same origins then? They are only reciprocating what treatment they have received from the Jews? Do you fault them for their feelings/racism/whatever you want to label it? I see it going both ways. It's like trying to figure out which happened first, the chicken or the egg.

First, I dont think either group AUTOMATICALLY hates one another. This is why you see BOTH sides play propaganda games. Suggesting that THEY (as in arabs) hate jews just for hating jews totally ignores the fact of the creation of israel. I hate to break it to you but natives hated white men, too. And, it wasn't just because of their religion or ethnicity.

Like the example of our won civil rights era, You'll find that palis and muslims in general will come to stop violent reactions the closer they are connected with the nation at large. when was the last black march you've seen against segregated culture in THIS nation? I'm not really interested in convincing you of who threw the first rock (although, I bet I know how you'd feel if me and my ethnicity came to confiscate your land) but I can tell you that the path to peace doesn't lie in a pair of segregated nations OR the blank check support of jews despite muslims. It will be the product of democracy and EQUALITY by example of the US via Palisrael.

I think the children now are raised to hate each other tho. I've seen documentaries on the topic. And why, as a nation, wouldn't you move past the fact that Israel now occupies that land and they're not going to get it back? The people who were on it are long gone, what is the point in continuing the hate? Move forward, build your own nation and try to do what's right for your people and forget about Israel. Let me ask you this. The Palestinians were granted pretty much everything they wanted at some point (I can't remember the date), and it was turned down. Just like you were pointing out in the abortion debate, don't you think it's more realistic to compromise? Israel is never going to give up and go away. I think if they found a peace that they could both live with then the situation could be resolved. I don't think it's about peace for the Palestinians tho. I think they are being used by the rest of the muslim world as a thorn in Israel's side for political purposes. I'm not saying that Israel is blameless, but I think if the muslim world would stop attacking them, then they would stop as well. I don't think the reciprocal of that is true. Do you think if Israel vowed to stop all violence completely that the violence would stop on the part of the Palestinans?

For the same reason blacks didn't just all migrate back to Africa. I don't think palis, or even iran, imagines that israel will go anywhere. Notice, i say israel and not ZIONISM. Again, you'll see the same thing happen there that you saw happen here if we allow as much equality THERE as we do HERE. The people who WERE there are not long gone. They are pali refugees that, were they jewish instead of muslim, we'd have demanded been accommodated. Unfortunately, they are not jewish enough to count.

And no, they were not granted everything they wanted. The stipulation was that they recognize israel as a JEWISH state. Tell me, how many jews in the US are ready to acknowledge this nation as a CHRISTIAN nation? Ask Jill or Dave how soon they will be admitting as much. Would you? Neither would they. Which, really, illustrates the racism embedded in zionism.

I think that the only thing that will stop the orhcestrated violence of israel and palestine is the complete validation of all people in a single state of Palisrael. by validating the Us vs Them approach the only thing that will continue is the constant marginalization of one group over the other; which sends waves of hatred to muslim nations and to ours. It's like a pair of children fighting over one toy. Do you favor one over the other or make them both behave toward each other and share the toy? Are you shocked when the unfavored child gets resentful and reacts to clear and obvious favoritism? The violence will not stop if israel decides to startor stop another cast lead barrel of death. Nor will it stop if palis are granted some fucked up land-locked island of a "nation". Nor will it stop when jews conveniently allow individual criminal behaviour to be generalized as an excuse to marginalize their ****** class. Nor will it stop when both hypothetical nations vie for resources while we allknow which is the favored child. This is why I rail against the likes of Dave and Jill who seem to think that the only human beings that matter are jews; why I don't hesitate to call for the extraction of INDIVIDUAL pali rocket launching terrorists (rather than the generalize cast leading masscre of the entire population). If any of this sounds like I'm a big bad jooo hater then feel free to avoid criticism of israel with the big bad scarlet A. However, you just might find that peace removes a convenient excuse which zionists don't want to give up.... After all, who do you think is the BIGGEST, LOUDEST voice against total equality in israel which puts palis on par with jews? Just take a guess.

 

[Yurt]

i don't think anyone has a "right" to nuclear energy....if it is a right...where did the right come from

national sovereignty

Ah, so then you support Israel having nuclear power then, yes?

i don't support or not support...i really fail to see how stopping iran from having nuclear energy for peaceful means is somehow going to stop them from getting a nuke for violent means. the US looked like idiots dealing with imadejihadinmypants over the nuke thing...imadejihadinmypants made total fools of the US

 

[Shogun]

You are in no position to make any demands of me in regards to what I post. If you disagree with me then that's your choice, however, throwing a temper tantrum does not constitute an intelligent response.

Oh yes i am, i absolutely can demand and expect - just like every other poster in this thread - that when you claim something, you bring facts to support it, which you obviously don't and can't.

Claiming that iran is not in violation of the NPT is like saying Pol Pot never hurt a fly, it's just a pure lie that denigrates the thread and offers nothing of intelligence.

myawwww.. is widdle guy not getting his widdle way?

 

[MaggieMae]

"We"??? Everyone but you seems to be able to find answers quite easily. But here, I'll give you something that I KNOW you won't read. It's got big words.

The Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty

we wanna know the link to the 100 nuke plants that have been built since what was it? Three mile island"? I believe that was what we were waiting for.. cupcake!

Yes - I would very much like to see that as well...

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[Yurt]

national sovereignty


Tell me, what nation do you want telling the US what it can and cant have?

national sovereignty is not a right

I never said it was; rather, it's what gives Iran the RIGHT to persue nuclear energy. You asked where the right came from. The answer is National Sovereignty. And, i'll ask again, what nation or global authority are ready to allow jurisdiction over the USA? Feel free to answer without some half assed sidestep.

if iran can be persuaded by bribes or whatever "assistance" nations offer....to give up nuclear power, that is their "right" (since i really don't want to delve into a what is a right discussion) and it is other nations rights to blockade or have trade embargos against iran if iran won't accept "assistance".....

and you're stupid if you don't think other countries dictate to the US....see CHINA

 

[MaggieMae]

2003 anything changed since 2003??


The U.S. nuclear power industry, while currently generating about 20% of the nation's electricity, faces an uncertain long-term future. No nuclear plants have been ordered since 1978 and more than 100 reactors have been canceled, including all ordered after 1973. No units are currently under active construction; the Tennessee Valley Authority's Watts Bar 1 reactor, ordered in 1970 and licensed to operate in 1996, was the most recent U.S. nuclear unit to be completed. The nuclear power industry's troubles include high nuclear power plant construction costs, public concern about nuclear safety and waste disposal, and regulatory compliance costs.

High construction costs are perhaps the most serious obstacle to nuclear power expansion. Construction costs for reactors completed since the mid-1980s have ranged from $2-$6 billion, averaging more than $3,000 per kilowatt of electric generating capacity (in 1997 dollars). The nuclear industry predicts that new plant designs could be built for less than half that amount if many identical plants were built in a series, but such economies of scale have yet to be demonstrated.









Nuclear Energy in the United States

This looks about right.

So what was Maggie talking about when she said there were a ton of plants that had been built after Three Mile Island?

Is she simply misinformed, or intentionally misleading?

I don't know. She won't tell us.. she's busy on the feetball field..

Ah shaddap. I don't sit at my computer screen arguing with fools like you 24/7 with a hide-a-potty and a bag of Cheetos as my only detraction. I have a life. Try it sometime.

 

[WillowTree]

This looks about right.

So what was Maggie talking about when she said there were a ton of plants that had been built after Three Mile Island?

Is she simply misinformed, or intentionally misleading?

I don't know. She won't tell us.. she's busy on the feetball field..

Ah shaddap. I don't sit at my computer screen arguing with fools like you 24/7 with a hide-a-potty and a bag of Cheetos as my only detraction. I have a life. Try it sometime.

goldfish.. I like goldfish!

 

[Shogun]

Iran does have a right to pursue nuclear energy. The IAEA has found no evidence that Iran is violating the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and constantly trying to force them to prove a negative is ridiculous.

It is just so ******* amazing that no matter what forum I participate in, it could be a general poli forum like this one, a fanatic muslim site, an asian one discussing world political issues, a person with no clue like this will drop in like the parachutist at the Holyfield-Bowe fight and spit out this idiotic line on cue. It might be for all i know, the same person paid by iran to scour the web and fire off the same stupid line.

The person's goal is to try to wind the thread all the way back, or just derail it. Their horseshit lines always include: "iran is innocent, they've never attacked another nation is 7 billion years, they're a democracy," etc.

"Kevin" or whatever your name is, this is the only response I will give here, iran is VERY MUCH in violation of the NPT, did not declare numerous sites, and continues to block inspections at many sites it is required to allow.

If you want to pollute a thread with your BS, go elsewhere, hopefully far away.

oh hey.. since YOU insist then it must be true!



******* death hungry asshole

 

[Shogun]

national sovereignty is not a right

I never said it was; rather, it's what gives Iran the RIGHT to persue nuclear energy. You asked where the right came from. The answer is National Sovereignty. And, i'll ask again, what nation or global authority are ready to allow jurisdiction over the USA? Feel free to answer without some half assed sidestep.

if iran can be persuaded by bribes or whatever "assistance" nations offer....to give up nuclear power, that is their "right" (since i really don't want to delve into a what is a right discussion) and it is other nations rights to blockade or have trade embargos against iran if iran won't accept "assistance".....

and you're stupid if you don't think other countries dictate to the US....see CHINA

Why don't you provide evcidence, instead of rhetorical bullshit, of the last instruction given by china that banned the US from persuing ANYTHING on par with nuclear energy.


*yawn*

 

[Newby]

First, I dont think either group AUTOMATICALLY hates one another. This is why you see BOTH sides play propaganda games. Suggesting that THEY (as in arabs) hate jews just for hating jews totally ignores the fact of the creation of israel. I hate to break it to you but natives hated white men, too. And, it wasn't just because of their religion or ethnicity.

Like the example of our won civil rights era, You'll find that palis and muslims in general will come to stop violent reactions the closer they are connected with the nation at large. when was the last black march you've seen against segregated culture in THIS nation? I'm not really interested in convincing you of who threw the first rock (although, I bet I know how you'd feel if me and my ethnicity came to confiscate your land) but I can tell you that the path to peace doesn't lie in a pair of segregated nations OR the blank check support of jews despite muslims. It will be the product of democracy and EQUALITY by example of the US via Palisrael.

I think the children now are raised to hate each other tho. I've seen documentaries on the topic. And why, as a nation, wouldn't you move past the fact that Israel now occupies that land and they're not going to get it back? The people who were on it are long gone, what is the point in continuing the hate? Move forward, build your own nation and try to do what's right for your people and forget about Israel. Let me ask you this. The Palestinians were granted pretty much everything they wanted at some point (I can't remember the date), and it was turned down. Just like you were pointing out in the abortion debate, don't you think it's more realistic to compromise? Israel is never going to give up and go away. I think if they found a peace that they could both live with then the situation could be resolved. I don't think it's about peace for the Palestinians tho. I think they are being used by the rest of the muslim world as a thorn in Israel's side for political purposes. I'm not saying that Israel is blameless, but I think if the muslim world would stop attacking them, then they would stop as well. I don't think the reciprocal of that is true. Do you think if Israel vowed to stop all violence completely that the violence would stop on the part of the Palestinans?

For the same reason blacks didn't just all migrate back to Africa. I don't think palis, or even iran, imagines that israel will go anywhere. Notice, i say israel and not ZIONISM. Again, you'll see the same thing happen there that you saw happen here if we allow as much equality THERE as we do HERE. The people who WERE there are not long gone. They are pali refugees that, were they jewish instead of muslim, we'd have demanded been accommodated. Unfortunately, they are not jewish enough to count.

And no, they were not granted everything they wanted. The stipulation was that they recognize israel as a JEWISH state. Tell me, how many jews in the US are ready to acknowledge this nation as a CHRISTIAN nation? Ask Jill or Dave how soon they will be admitting as much. Would you? Neither would they. Which, really, illustrates the racism embedded in zionism.

I think that the only thing that will stop the orhcestrated violence of israel and palestine is the complete validation of all people in a single state of Palisrael. by validating the Us vs Them approach the only thing that will continue is the constant marginalization of one group over the other; which sends waves of hatred to muslim nations and to ours. It's like a pair of children fighting over one toy. Do you favor one over the other or make them both behave toward each other and share the toy? Are you shocked when the unfavored child gets resentful and reacts to clear and obvious favoritism? The violence will not stop if israel decides to startor stop another cast lead barrel of death. Nor will it stop if palis are granted some fucked up land-locked island of a "nation". Nor will it stop when jews conveniently allow individual criminal behaviour to be generalized as an excuse to marginalize their ****** class. Nor will it stop when both hypothetical nations vie for resources while we allknow which is the favored child. This is why I rail against the likes of Dave and Jill who seem to think that the only human beings that matter are jews; why I don't hesitate to call for the extraction of INDIVIDUAL pali rocket launching terrorists (rather than the generalize cast leading masscre of the entire population). If any of this sounds like I'm a big bad jooo hater then feel free to avoid criticism of israel with the big bad scarlet A. However, you just might find that peace removes a convenient excuse which zionists don't want to give up.... After all, who do you think is the BIGGEST, LOUDEST voice against total equality in israel which puts palis on par with jews? Just take a guess.

Well, I don't want to hi-jack the thread. Maybe sometime we can talk more in depth about this? I know I don't know everything there is to know about the situation and I have a sketchy knowledge of the history there. I'm always looking for a different point of view to see if there is something I'm missing. I would have several questions with regards to some of the comments that you've made and you seem to be knowledgable of the issue, so I appreciate you putting your viewpoint out there. I have no stake in either side and I think it's a fascinating, altho sad, scenario. Usually the motivation for both sides is not as it would seem and there is a lot going on that the average observer would not know. I guess that's what I'd like to learn more about.

 

[Yurt]

I never said it was; rather, it's what gives Iran the RIGHT to persue nuclear energy. You asked where the right came from. The answer is National Sovereignty. And, i'll ask again, what nation or global authority are ready to allow jurisdiction over the USA? Feel free to answer without some half assed sidestep.

if iran can be persuaded by bribes or whatever "assistance" nations offer....to give up nuclear power, that is their "right" (since i really don't want to delve into a what is a right discussion) and it is other nations rights to blockade or have trade embargos against iran if iran won't accept "assistance".....

and you're stupid if you don't think other countries dictate to the US....see CHINA

Why don't you provide evcidence, instead of rhetorical bullshit, of the last instruction given by china that banned the US from persuing ANYTHING on par with nuclear energy.


*yawn*

you're a whiny little ***** ainchya....

now you're back peddling and claiming it has to somehow be on "par" with nuclear energy....WTF is on "par" with nuclear energy for peaceful means? face it, countries dictate to other countries all the time, he with the power makes the rules...china virtually owns us, the US kowtows to china over things that are far more important than whether iran gets a peaceful nuclear generator, like the economy...

the europe missile shield....russia has threatened us over that, another example

go get a clue then come back and debate this....

 

[MaggieMae]

We aren't allowed to have nuclear energy because of the Environuts in this country like Al Whore. i really hope everyone knows that Iran isn't going to use the nuclear energy for peaceful purposes alone.

For real.. you people are three shades of ******* retarded.


Ameren Suspends Its Plan To Construct Nuclear Plant In Missouri

Published:23-April-2009

Ameren Corporation (Ameren) is suspending plans to construct a new nuclear plant in Missouri due to legislation which would prevent the company from recovering costs. The Missouri law prevents utilities from increasing electric rates to pay for new power plants until the plants are operational. The company had planned to construct a 1,600 megawatt second reactor at its Callaway nuclear plant in central Missouri. The plant provides power to Saint Louis and surrounding areas.

Ameren Suspends Its Plan To Construct Nuclear Plant In Missouri - Nuclear : News

Environmentalists are very good at using legislation and government to curtail projects such as this. I'm not saying this is the case here, but they have done it in the past. Research would have to be done as to who was behind enacting the legislation that would have prevented the company from recovering some of it's costs. Why was such a law enacted, what was the logic, etc... There's a ton of politics and money behind a lot of these decisions.

I know it varies from state to state, but in mine, it's a very looooooong process any utility needs to endure before it can even raise its rates, let alone a new facility built. There are all sorts of means tests, only one of which is environmental, and along each step of the way, public hearings must be held first. And that's even before it reaches the state legislature for debate. We desperately need new power lines across private land, but invariably there is one small piece that some property owner will refuse to relinquish, thereby quashing the entire project. As a result, our existing power lines are constantly in need of repair and upgrade where possible, and a lot of Hail Mary's said during fierce winter storms that they will hold. It's ridiculous.

 

[MaggieMae]

Um, Obama is doing just that here.

Funny, I dont see Obama telling Iran that they must use oil and burn up the trees in their forrsts for energy before opting for nuclear.. Maybe you can provide a better quote than you did the last time I asked for one..

No, she means Obama is telling us what energy we can and cannot use.

No, he is NOT.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

if iran can be persuaded by bribes or whatever "assistance" nations offer....to give up nuclear power, that is their "right" (since i really don't want to delve into a what is a right discussion) and it is other nations rights to blockade or have trade embargos against iran if iran won't accept "assistance".....

and you're stupid if you don't think other countries dictate to the US....see CHINA

Why don't you provide evcidence, instead of rhetorical bullshit, of the last instruction given by china that banned the US from persuing ANYTHING on par with nuclear energy.


*yawn*

you're a whiny little ***** ainchya....

now you're back peddling and claiming it has to somehow be on "par" with nuclear energy....WTF is on "par" with nuclear energy for peaceful means? face it, countries dictate to other countries all the time, he with the power makes the rules...china virtually owns us, the US kowtows to china over things that are far more important than whether iran gets a peaceful nuclear generator, like the economy...

the europe missile shield....russia has threatened us over that, another example

go get a clue then come back and debate this....

What exactly have we kowtowed to China on economically? I was under the impression that we were trying to convince them to buy more of our debt.

 

[Yurt]

Why don't you provide evcidence, instead of rhetorical bullshit, of the last instruction given by china that banned the US from persuing ANYTHING on par with nuclear energy.


*yawn*

you're a whiny little ***** ainchya....

now you're back peddling and claiming it has to somehow be on "par" with nuclear energy....WTF is on "par" with nuclear energy for peaceful means? face it, countries dictate to other countries all the time, he with the power makes the rules...china virtually owns us, the US kowtows to china over things that are far more important than whether iran gets a peaceful nuclear generator, like the economy...

the europe missile shield....russia has threatened us over that, another example

go get a clue then come back and debate this....

What exactly have we kowtowed to China on economically? I was under the impression that we were trying to convince them to buy more of our debt.

Geithner Kowtows To Communist China | Sweetness & Light

 

[Citizen]

you know what's funny about this latest goddamn spew from the obamalama??? Iran is entitled to Nuclear energy.. America is not??

uh, who is banning nukes here in the US? I live no less than 1 hour from a ******* nuclear reactor. Hell, the college IN TOWN has a goddamn nuke reactor! Why must you say dumb shit?

Maybe it is just me, but I do not remember any nuclear plants being built in the last decade even though we could use them to offline some coal fired ones.

 

[Shogun]

if iran can be persuaded by bribes or whatever "assistance" nations offer....to give up nuclear power, that is their "right" (since i really don't want to delve into a what is a right discussion) and it is other nations rights to blockade or have trade embargos against iran if iran won't accept "assistance".....

and you're stupid if you don't think other countries dictate to the US....see CHINA

Why don't you provide evcidence, instead of rhetorical bullshit, of the last instruction given by china that banned the US from persuing ANYTHING on par with nuclear energy.


*yawn*

you're a whiny little ***** ainchya....

now you're back peddling and claiming it has to somehow be on "par" with nuclear energy....WTF is on "par" with nuclear energy for peaceful means? face it, countries dictate to other countries all the time, he with the power makes the rules...china virtually owns us, the US kowtows to china over things that are far more important than whether iran gets a peaceful nuclear generator, like the economy...

the europe missile shield....russia has threatened us over that, another example

go get a clue then come back and debate this....

Not at all. YOU just insisted that CHINA has told the US what it can or cannot do ON PAR with the US telling Iran that it cant have nukes. so, by all means, show me exactly what the **** you are talking about.

Again, Im not interested in your rhetorical bullshit. put up or shut the **** up. it really is that simple.



ps, russia's reaction to the missile shield sure as **** hasn't kept the US from leaning on poland to build it, has it? no, of course not. Now, did you want to provide evidence or sit there and look up with a quivering lip after I've given you my pimp ring treatment?