Iran Launches Airstrikes on Iraqi Villages

[Ame®icano]

Looks like someone is picking the fight. Maybe US should send to Iran another good will video message.

Iranian aircraft attacked three villages inside Iraq over the weekend. The airstrikes — Iran’s first on Iraqi soil since the U.S. invasion — could complicate the Obama administration’s efforts to normalize relations with Tehran.

WIRED

 

[Xenophon]

I doubt anything will come of it.

 

[Yurt]

obama will apologize

 

[DavidS]

"an Iranian Kurdish separatist group which has launched attacks on Iran from rear-supply bases in the mountains of northern Iraq,”

Not to defend Iran or anything, but this is a simple matter of returning fire. Of course, idiots like Yurt will see this as a passive Obama policy, but where was Yurt last year when Turkey launched several strikes on Kurdish Northern Iraq when Bush was President?

His silence is deafening...

 

[garyd]

The best you can hope for is that he will actually allow US fighters in the area to intercept further incursons.

 

[Ame®icano]

Since we invaded Iraq, we are responsible for protection of their airspace. Question is, are we able to fulfill our duties.

 

[DiamondDave]

Pussy Obama won't do a damn thing... and he'll still try and kiss Iran's ass

 

[editec]

Hmmm...sounds bad.

Sounds like an excellent reason to create Kurdistan, doesn't it?

Of course in order to do that we have to recognise the the Kurds have lived under the rule of nations which have treated them like crap for nearly a century.

And we cannot do that without pissing off both allies AND perceieved enemies, too.

 

[rayboyusmc]

Pussy Obama won't do a damn thing... and he'll still try and kiss Iran's ass

Like he did with the Somali Pirates? Bush would nuke them. More to your way of thinking?

Fucking crybabies.

 

[Chris]

Pussy Obama won't do a damn thing... and he'll still try and kiss Iran's ass

By playing up to Iran Obama is undercutting the radicals there.

Of course you will never understand that.

 

[DavidS]

Maybe Obama should do something to stop the Iraqi incursions into Iran in the first place....

 

[Chris]

Maybe Obama should do something to stop the Iraqi incursions into Iran in the first place....

Maybe we should get the f out of Iraq and let these guys fight it out.

 

[DiamondDave]

Maybe Obama should do something to stop the Iraqi incursions into Iran in the first place....

Not saying that this is not a problem

But much like we would not stand for Mexico militarily striking some mercenaries in Texas who were conducting some sort of raids across the border... we should not stand for this at all, nor should Iraq stand for it....

If the Iraq government had ordered strikes against Iran... i could see them logically wanting a military strike back... but this was not Iraq attacking Iran.... but this sure was Iran violating Iraqi airspace and as a country/military, conducting an attack in Iraq...

Obama should stand up against this.. but we know he won't... he is still busy trying to kiss Iran's ass

 

[auditor0007]

Pussy Obama won't do a damn thing... and he'll still try and kiss Iran's ass

Like he did with the Somali Pirates? Bush would nuke them. More to your way of thinking?

Fucking crybabies.

Holy shit. Bush nuked Somali Pirates? I missed that one. Tell me more please. I can't believe Bush launced nuclear weapons against these pirates and I missed it. Holy shit, that Bush sure was a nutter, wasn't he?

 

[auditor0007]

Maybe Obama should do something to stop the Iraqi incursions into Iran in the first place....

Not saying that this is not a problem

But much like we would not stand for Mexico militarily striking some mercenaries in Texas who were conducting some sort of raids across the border... we should not stand for this at all, nor should Iraq stand for it....

If the Iraq government had ordered strikes against Iran... i could see them logically wanting a military strike back... but this was not Iraq attacking Iran.... but this sure was Iran violating Iraqi airspace and as a country/military, conducting an attack in Iraq...

Obama should stand up against this.. but we know he won't... he is still busy trying to kiss Iran's ass

It is very likely that Iran was striking back at the Kurds. The Kurdish problem is not just an Iraqi problem. It is a problem for Turkey and Iran also. This idea that a new "Kurdistan" should be created is very problematic because it wouldn't only involve the Kurds in Iraq. The Kurds in Turkey and Iran would want to be part of it, and this is not acceptable to Iran or Turkey.

 

[007]

Looks like someone is picking the fight. Maybe US should send to Iran another good will video message.

Iranian aircraft attacked three villages inside Iraq over the weekend. The airstrikes — Iran’s first on Iraqi soil since the U.S. invasion — could complicate the Obama administration’s efforts to normalize relations with Tehran.

WIRED

Who cares... we ought to get all our troops the hell otta there and let them have at it, like they've BEEN doing for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before we stuck our nose in where it didn't belong.

 

[editec]

Maybe Obama should do something to stop the Iraqi incursions into Iran in the first place....

Not saying that this is not a problem

But much like we would not stand for Mexico militarily striking some mercenaries in Texas who were conducting some sort of raids across the border... we should not stand for this at all, nor should Iraq stand for it....

If the Iraq government had ordered strikes against Iran... i could see them logically wanting a military strike back... but this was not Iraq attacking Iran.... but this sure was Iran violating Iraqi airspace and as a country/military, conducting an attack in Iraq...

Obama should stand up against this.. but we know he won't... he is still busy trying to kiss Iran's ass

It is very likely that Iran was striking back at the Kurds. The Kurdish problem is not just an Iraqi problem. It is a problem for Turkey and Iran also. This idea that a new "Kurdistan" should be created is very problematic because it wouldn't only involve the Kurds in Iraq. The Kurds in Turkey and Iran would want to be part of it, and this is not acceptable to Iran or Turkey.

Yeah, exactly my point, Auditor.

Those borders that the WEST created after WWI are basically nonsensical to the people who've been living there for the last 2,000 years or so.

The Kurds don't recognize those borders because they have been living in that region of the world since at least the 4th century BC.

They called themselves (or were refered to as) the Carduchi back them.

So one can sort of understand why a people whose history is that ancient may not expecially give a flying fuck what Iraq, Iran or Turkey (all nations less than century old) actually thinks about where they're supposed to live, eh?

 

[Yurt]

"an Iranian Kurdish separatist group which has launched attacks on Iran from rear-supply bases in the mountains of northern Iraq,”

Not to defend Iran or anything, but this is a simple matter of returning fire. Of course, idiots like Yurt will see this as a passive Obama policy, but where was Yurt last year when Turkey launched several strikes on Kurdish Northern Iraq when Bush was President?

His silence is deafening...

you moron...i was hardly posting here

besides, wtf has that to do with anything i said in this thread?

 

[ekrem]

Not saying that this is not a problem

But much like we would not stand for Mexico militarily striking some mercenaries in Texas who were conducting some sort of raids across the border... we should not stand for this at all, nor should Iraq stand for it....

If the Iraq government had ordered strikes against Iran... i could see them logically wanting a military strike back... but this was not Iraq attacking Iran.... but this sure was Iran violating Iraqi airspace and as a country/military, conducting an attack in Iraq...

Obama should stand up against this.. but we know he won't... he is still busy trying to kiss Iran's ass

It is very likely that Iran was striking back at the Kurds. The Kurdish problem is not just an Iraqi problem. It is a problem for Turkey and Iran also. This idea that a new "Kurdistan" should be created is very problematic because it wouldn't only involve the Kurds in Iraq. The Kurds in Turkey and Iran would want to be part of it, and this is not acceptable to Iran or Turkey.

Yeah, exactly my point, Auditor.

Those borders that the WEST created after WWI are basically nonsensical to the people who've been living there for the last 2,000 years or so.

The Kurds don't recognize those borders because they have been living in that region of the world since at least the 4th century BC.

They called themselves (or were refered to as) the Carduchi back them.

So one can sort of understand why a people whose history is that ancient may not expecially give a flying fuck what Iraq, Iran or Turkey (all nations less than century old) actually thinks about where they're supposed to live, eh?

There are about 20-25 million Kurds. Would such a mass be an entity and have an common goal no country could institute order over them.
Kurds do speak different dialects, unable to communicate with other Kurdish tribes. You can't compare Kurds from Iran with those of Iraq or with those of Turkey. Them seperates not only the language barriers of those countries but also inner-Kurdish language dialects and a long time of seperate history being integrated in different countries.

In Turkey it is believed that 8-12 Million Kurds do live. Would such a mass have a common goal translateing in seperation, there is deep trouble for the Turkish State System.

The Kurdish Party (DTP)within Turkey standing for greater autonomy and federalism achieves with such agenda only 21 parliamentarian seats out of total 550 parliamentarian seats.
Check Election results:
Turkish general election, 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These were data for general elections --> Parliament in Ankara.

Now comeing to local elections in municipalities.
Diyarbakir is the biggest city of Southeast Turkey, mostly inhabitated by Kurds.

DTP (Kurdish seperate party) git 12 mayors.
Diyarbakir province
From 32 mayors in this district DTP got 12 mayors.

Now let us come to the boarder provinces to Iraq (behind boarder is Iraqi Kurdish Regional Government).

Batman Province:
5 DTP mayors out of total 12.
Sirnak province:
5 DTP mayors out of total 20
Hakkari province
4 DTP mayors out of total 8
etc. etc.

You see, seperatists can't mobilize voters for their agenda. Turkish Kurds do vote for all differnet parties in Turkey, from right to left. And unfortunately voting also for the Kurdish seperation party resulting in 21 seats out of 550 in Parliament and some mayors in municipalities. The voting profile of Turkish Kurds unequals an Kurdish entity within Turkey with a common goal.

Now comeing to those elements voteing for seperation:
There is no such thing of implementing demands ago the democratic system (parliament). Either they subdue to the fact, that such an agenda is uncompetitive in elections or they go criminal becoming an outlaw of the democratical election system. If such a path is chosen the executive forces of the System bring you to justice.

So one can sort of understand why a people whose history is that ancient may not expecially give a flying fuck what Iraq, Iran or Turkey (all nations less than century old) actually thinks about where they're supposed to live, eh?

Sounds nice, but has no meaning.
I don't think you are in a position to speak for other peoples choices and mind-set. On this subject only election results can be taken serious.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Maybe Obama should do something to stop the Iraqi incursions into Iran in the first place....

Maybe we should get the f out of Iraq and let these guys fight it out.

you can say Fuck Chris....its ok Gunny wont wash your mouth out with soap.....Del might....