Obama blames the rise of the machines for high unemployment.

[chikenwing]

If he really thinks this is true,he is one dumb sucker.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I saw a story on this in the news earlier today. The president's point was absolutely correct.

So we should get rid of ATM's. E-Z Pass, self checkouts, self serve gasoline, back hoes bulldozers and everything else that increases efficiency and reduces costs....
You people are idiots.

 

[Jack Fate]

The President is a pretty smart guy. Yes he is and don't you forget it. Sarah Palin is stupid. Yes she is and don't you forget it. If you do, then you're a racist, bigot, homophobe poopy pants.

 

[Sallow]

I saw a story on this in the news earlier today. The president's point was absolutely correct.

So we should get rid of ATM's. E-Z Pass, self checkouts, self serve gasoline, back hoes bulldozers and everything else that increases efficiency and reduces costs....
You people are idiots.

When exactly was that suggested?

Recognizing a problem is the first step in solving it.

Which is why conservatives can never solve problems.

But they have absolutely no trouble creating them.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I saw a story on this in the news earlier today. The president's point was absolutely correct.

So we should get rid of ATM's. E-Z Pass, self checkouts, self serve gasoline, back hoes bulldozers and everything else that increases efficiency and reduces costs....
You people are idiots.

When exactly was that suggested?

Recognizing a problem is the first step in solving it.

Which is why conservatives can never solve problems.

But they have absolutely no trouble creating them.

Democrats like to make shit up as this position proves. This so called problem is decades old and the solution was found decades ago as well. It's called higher education, self reliance, adaptation, changing with the times. Of course if you weren't smart enough to use one of these time tested solutions then you got no one to blame but your fictional nemesis.
Or you could just take some more Obama candy (partisanship with a side of welfare handouts)
I never understand how you all ever came to the conclusion that its the govts job to fix your lives. Youda been screwed if you were born a hundred years ago.
Self reliance FTW

 

[Jack Fate]

I saw a story on this in the news earlier today. The president's point was absolutely correct.

So we should get rid of ATM's. E-Z Pass, self checkouts, self serve gasoline, back hoes bulldozers and everything else that increases efficiency and reduces costs....
You people are idiots.

When exactly was that suggested?

Recognizing a problem is the first step in solving it.

Which is why conservatives can never solve problems.

But they have absolutely no trouble creating them.

I don't think anyone is buying what you're selling. Dems have controlled congress since 2007. You all had two years without any resistance to do whatever you wanted. That's your fault.

 

[thereisnospoon]

How many humans have been replaced by sutomated Telephone systems.
Press 1 for the pharmacy, press 2 for lumber, press 3 to hear a duck quack, etc.

None. The menu just helps route calls to the correct person.
How many people have been replaced by robots on auto assembly lines?
How many ditch diggers haver been replaced by backhoes, pay loaders and bulldozers?
How many people have been replaced by automatic irrigation systems on golf courses or sod farms?
Please. With his words from yesterday, Obama just confirmed how out of touch he actually is.

That's completely and utterly incorrect.

It is so correct.
Blaming ATM's for unemployment? Is he fucking kidding?
The fact of the matter is with those comments Obama is catering to the union vote.
When Obama talks about jobs, he is referring to private and public sector union jobs.
He doesn't necessarily want to increase their numbers, he just wants their votes.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The Cotton Gin put 3.1 million out of work.

I don't think the slaves minded not combing cotton.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In part, he's right.

And this trend where techology makes human workers reducdant is NOT going away, either.

15 years ago I had 6 part time workers and myself working on Rosetta.

Those people worked on scanning and cleaning images, plus one "engineer" whose sole job was to help us get and stay online

Collectively they put in about 80 hours a week.

Now what they did, I and an engineer I have on retainer do all that work PLUS much more, too in about 20 hours a week.

I'd guesstimate that in my little project we have enjoyed about a 500% increase in efficiency in the last ten years.

And increasing efficiency does mean less jobs. Or less pay for the same job.
A mixed bag when viewed in an overall view.
Of course as efficiency rises so does the stock market though.

Yet, despite the fact that we have more automation than when Roosevelt was president, along with more efficiency and more productive workers, we also have more working than we did then. How do you reconcile your belief that automation means fewer jobs with the massive increase in jobs?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I'm sorry but if you can't comprehend that new technology comes at a price without being told you don't belong in this conversation.

This is remarkable given..

Are you kidding? Look at all the jobs the machines create: invent, production, program with updates, maintain, market & sell, fill. Look at the money in production time they save us. All versus the 1 teller they "may" replace.
It's just sad that our president is so eager to excuse away his own inept policies that his excuse is just as pathetic as the results of his policies.

Automation..as this country has been using it..results in a very big net loss for labor.

Not recognizing that as a factor in the challenge to create jobs is a fool's errand.

(So by the way is trying to have a meaningful discussion with Mr. Shaman. I suspect he's a bot)

The world's industrial and manufacturing leaders have been automating plants for 2 decades. This while American manufacturers stayed cow towed to the unions which prevented increases in productivity and accountability in product quality.
Your side wants a return to the old smoke stack plants which require inefficiency and over employment.
Us Industry needs to move forward. Automation, computers and robotics are the way to go.

 

[Marie888]

Hmmmm.. not sure what to think. I can't stand Obama's policies and 99% of what he stands for. But on this matter, I wonder if there could be some truth in it in some circumstances? Yes, I realize this is UK (below link), but I'm sure USA will see it soon? Or just tell me if I'm thinking wrong, lol.

McDonald’s Installing Self-Serve Touchscreen Kiosks - Techland - TIME.com


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[Quantum Windbag]

It's not even remotely related to the problem. These evil machines have been around for decades. Last time I checked they weren't recently invented to replace anyone. It's just reaching. It's a ridiculous distraction that the main steam media didn't even have the balls to call him on. I defy you to tell me the media isn't in his pocket after all the years of calling GWB stupid.

Or course it is..

And you haven't been checking very well. Recently airports rolled out kiosk checkins that replace counter people. Try calling a bank or your cable company for service..you get an automated menu. In my industry off the top of my head I can come up with applications that have cost a good number of jobs:

TIDAL - Job scheduler. Trading applications and after hour processing are done through automation (replacing computer operators).
UTP - Universal Trading Platform - Trading is now done through automation through the use of "Matching Engines" (which replace brokers) and "Market Makers" which (replaces specialists).
PUPPET - Maintains Operating System Integrity (Replacing system administrators).
RUBY ON RAILS - Allows for rapid development of applications through the use of visio like interfaces ( replacing software coders ).
ABINITIO - Like ruby on rails but specifically for trading applications ( replacing coders ).

Add in most major corporations are provisioning more money for automation then they are for new hires. One of the major reasons for this..is they don't want to be responsible for health care.

Automation, in itself, is a very good thing. But technology should be something that enhances the human ability to be productive..not replace it.

It does.

Those ticket kiosks allow people who would normally be stuck in dead end jobs processing tickets that have already been paid for to be offered more opportunity to work in other areas. The fact that companies do not have to keep hundreds of people sitting around doing nothing but answer phones keeps healthcare costs down by putting them into jobs where they can get up and move around more. They also get a chance to get more pay and better benefits.

Every supposed negative you can name I can counter with a positive from it, both for the person negatively affected and the country in general. I really believe you are not stupid enough to want us to go back to the point where half of the workforce was labor on farms, and half of the rest was digging ditches. Why are you crying about the modernization of the workforce moving us into the future?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I will not use the self checkouts at stores because they do eliminate local jobs.
they do create jobs in Tiawan and China where the hardware is made though.

IMO I should get a discount for using a self check out because I'm doing all the work.

SAN DIEGO — Public officials and faith leaders in San Diego are urging the governor to sign a measure that would ban alcohol sales at self-service checkout counters. A recent test of local retailers shows the current system isn't foolproof [...]

"It was pretty easy," Gamez says. "I grabbed a 12-pack of beer, and a 12-pack of Coke. I scanned the Coke, bagged the beer, paid the money, walked out. As simple as that."

That technique worked nearly seven out of ten times.

Self-Service Checkout Counters: Too Easy For Kids To Buy Booze

That's bullshit. Note how the kid said he didn't scan the beer. He stole it. He's a fucking criminal that deserves to be imprisoned at hard labor.
Every single store around here that has self checkout will not permit the sale of alcohol without a clerk seeing ID and then entering a code to allow the purchase. It's NC state law that if a person appears to be under 40 years of age the store personnel MUST see a photo ID. It is also state law that in stores where alcohol sales are permitted, a store employee MUST be present to monitor merchandise going through the self checkouts.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I watched a bit of the first youtube and I just had to laugh, it is sad that our young people are this dumb and actually argue for their stupidity? Did this person think history started the day he was born? Since I have started working the change in technology is simply amazing, communication sites that used to employ as many as fifty people round the clock 24 by 7 are now manged remotely, and may get a visitor only if a hardware component needs actual changing. Add automation to outsourcing and you can readily see the power of the machine and the network is a machine. Who could have conceived of networks that allows an Asia Indian the ability to access your PC and fix it. Americans do not even support Americans by buying American today, and wages overseas are killing jobs here. Americans, especially on the right, do one thing machines don't do, they whine and whine and whine and do nothing else.

"A new barbarism, illiteracy and impoverishment of language, new kinds of poverty, merciless remodeling of opinion by media, immiseration of the mind, obsolescence of the soul. Massified, standardizing modes, in every area of life, relentlessly re-enact the actual control program of modernity. Capitalism did not create our world; the machine did." Jean-François Lyotard

This is bad because you say so?

 

[Jarhead]

It's not even remotely related to the problem. These evil machines have been around for decades. Last time I checked they weren't recently invented to replace anyone. It's just reaching. It's a ridiculous distraction that the main steam media didn't even have the balls to call him on. I defy you to tell me the media isn't in his pocket after all the years of calling GWB stupid.

Or course it is..

And you haven't been checking very well. Recently airports rolled out kiosk checkins that replace counter people. Try calling a bank or your cable company for service..you get an automated menu. In my industry off the top of my head I can come up with applications that have cost a good number of jobs:

TIDAL - Job scheduler. Trading applications and after hour processing are done through automation (replacing computer operators).
UTP - Universal Trading Platform - Trading is now done through automation through the use of "Matching Engines" (which replace brokers) and "Market Makers" which (replaces specialists).
PUPPET - Maintains Operating System Integrity (Replacing system administrators).
RUBY ON RAILS - Allows for rapid development of applications through the use of visio like interfaces ( replacing software coders ).
ABINITIO - Like ruby on rails but specifically for trading applications ( replacing coders ).

Add in most major corporations are provisioning more money for automation then they are for new hires. One of the major reasons for this..is they don't want to be responsible for health care.

Automation, in itself, is a very good thing. But technology should be something that enhances the human ability to be productive..not replace it.

It does.

Those ticket kiosks allow people who would normally be stuck in dead end jobs processing tickets that have already been paid for to be offered more opportunity to work in other areas. The fact that companies do not have to keep hundreds of people sitting around doing nothing but answer phones keeps healthcare costs down by putting them into jobs where they can get up and move around more. They also get a chance to get more pay and better benefits.

Every supposed negative you can name I can counter with a positive from it, both for the person negatively affected and the country in general. I really believe you are not stupid enough to want us to go back to the point where half of the workforce was labor on farms, and half of the rest was digging ditches. Why are you crying about the modernization of the workforce moving us into the future?

Question regarding your post...

An airline has 100 non flight personnel working for them...say 25 counter people....25 customer service people in the office making reservations.....50 luggage handlers.

Andf they cater to 1000 passengers a month

They institute the kisks and the auotmated phone system to take reservations....eliminating 20 of the 25 counter people and 20 of the 25 customer service people.

They still cater to the same 1000 passengers a month.

Where do they reposition those 40 employees that were replaced with technology?

 

[driveby]

Of course, none of these machines that eliminate jobs existed until Obama became president........

 

[thereisnospoon]

We Americans have been well trained to be satisfied with less service.

Yes, People choose price over service. It is hard to believe the "Full Service Gas Station Attendant" was one of the first customer service jobs I saw go away. I say bring them back.

Go to New Jersey. That state prohibits self service gas. Drivers have to wait while some grumpy asshole who hates his job and despises the customers to take his sweet time making his way to the waiting motorists.
The state may require attendants to pump gas ,but there is no requirement to perform customer service....And here's the best part. These low skilled shit heads look at the customer cross eyed because they didn't get a tip...Fuck 'em.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

But I just woke up?!

Not quite.....

For TOO long, people have insisted there'll always be a conflict between business, government & labor; that they CAN'T work-together, successfully!

Germany's PROVING otherwise!!​

I'm sorry but I have no idea what your post has to do with obamas statement. I don't care about what they are doing in Germany. And we don't need govt and business working together, we need govt to get the hell out of our business.

You should really stop trying to be rational with Shaman, he is off his meds.

 

[Jarhead]

Of course, none of these machines that eliminate jobs existed until Obama became president........

lol...question is why technology was not the reason there was a dramatic increase of jobs during the Bush years.....

Funny how it had no affect from 2000-2008.....only an affect from 2008 to now..

Even though MOST of the technology was insituted in the early 2000's like voice mail...boolean searches....kiosks....etc etc etc..

Where is the media when Obama and his team says such rediculous things?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I watched a bit of the first youtube and I just had to laugh, it is sad that our young people are this dumb and actually argue for their stupidity? Did this person think history started the day he was born? Since I have started working the change in technology is simply amazing, communication sites that used to employ as many as fifty people round the clock 24 by 7 are now manged remotely, and may get a visitor only if a hardware component needs actual changing. Add automation to outsourcing and you can readily see the power of the machine and the network is a machine. Who could have conceived of networks that allows an Asia Indian the ability to access your PC and fix it. Americans do not even support Americans by buying American today, and wages overseas are killing jobs here. Americans, especially on the right, do one thing machines don't do, they whine and whine and whine and do nothing else.

....Least-of-all, answer direct-questions....or, think.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk]YouTube - ‪SARAH PALIN BOOK SIGNING - Interviews with Supporters‬‏[/ame]​

Winston Churchill was wrong, the best argument against democracy is not a five minute conversation with an average voter, in America it is a one minute conversation with a Palin book reader. That was sad, but perfectly summed up the level of knowledge and sense in our country. I give the interviewer great credit for his even handed questions. He could have asked a real trick question, did they read any newspapers. And the study that Fox media has made America dumber is confirmed once again.

what the fuck does this shit have to do with anything.
Stay on point or start your own thread.