Oath Keeper unable to cope with being jailed.

[Faun]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Why was she the only one murdered? There were dozens of rioters doing much worse. Why hasn’t the cop been charged?

It wasn't murder and that cop wasn't charged because he's a hero. He saved countless lives.

"He saved countless lives"? You're assuming the mob was going to start killing everyone, and I sincerely doubt that was going to be the case.
All of these people need to be prosecuted for what they actually did, some more harshly than others, however the idea our democracy was almost lost that day, as well as countless lives lost is ridiculous hyperbole.

It mattered not if they would have killed anyone in terms of I being a threat once they broke through the barricade. One did break through and there's no question others would have followed as they were trying to break down those doors after seeing lawmakers on the other side they didn't want to get away.

It would have been a bloodbath had those traitors stormed into the Speaker's Lobby. That cop saved lives.

 

[Faun]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

You're really quite the scum bag. An unarmed conservative protester is shot and killed by Police and you revel in it. If she was a liberal protester you'd be demanding that Police Officer be put in jail for murder!

She was a traitor, you piece of shit. She deserved what she got and she deserves every bit of scorn she gets.

 

[Faun]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Sadly, she died a traitor.

Dumb. See my thread posted today. You exemplify it’s meaning completely.

You’re a fascist and don’t know it.

You're a moron. No one is a fascist for pointing out someone, who threatened our own government to flip an election their candidate lost, is a traitor.

 

[White 6]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Why was she the only one murdered? There were dozens of rioters doing much worse. Why hasn’t the cop been charged?

It wasn't murder and that cop wasn't charged because he's a hero. He saved countless lives.

It is always murder to kill an unarmed woman.
He saved no lives.

Not necessarily. If they were coming through your window in your house as part of a mob that had just busted it out to force entry and you were pointing your gun and saying keep back, but they kept coming, would you hold fire until overrun? I wouldn't and I am not even part of law enforcement. If somebody is pointing a gun at you threatening to shoot, you would be a fool to continue to attack or enter, thinking they won't really shoot. Poor choices are a bitch.

But you have to understand, they were just patriots brainwashed to believe what they were doing was sanctioned! According to Republican senators like Johnson, he "didn't feel threatened in the least! Now if it had been BLM or Atifa, I might have been concerned!" Karma, pls land on his head; TWICE!

Actually, they ceased to be patriots when they succumbed to the brainwashing. You don't get patriotic points for what you used to be, especially if 180 degrees from what you are doing. Just like cattle or wild elephants being stampeded of a cliff to their death at a dead-fall.

You don't know what a "dead-fall" is...do you? Your analogy became laughable when you tried to use a term you were clueless about.

If you don't watch what cliff some idiot stampedes you off of while he watches and smiles from a safe vantage point, you won't care what it is called on the way down.

 

[gipper]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Sadly, she died a traitor.

Dumb. See my thread posted today. You exemplify it’s meaning completely.

You’re a fascist and don’t know it.

You're a moron. No one is a fascist for pointing out someone, who threatened our own government to flip an election their candidate lost, is a traitor.

One person among dozens trying to enter the capitol but the cop kills her, at point blank range. No one else is shot in the INSURRECTION!!! Why?

In your deluded fascist world, the cops should have mass murdered all the rioters because they are traitors of the all powerful state you adore.

But the rioters of BLM and Antifa are to be respected.

 

[White 6]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Sadly, she died a traitor.

Dumb. See my thread posted today. You exemplify it’s meaning completely.

You’re a fascist and don’t know it.

You're a moron. No one is a fascist for pointing out someone, who threatened our own government to flip an election their candidate lost, is a traitor.

One person among dozens trying to enter the capitol but the cop kills her, at point blank range. No one else is shot in the INSURRECTION!!! Why?

In your deluded fascist world, the cops should have mass murdered all the rioters because they are traitors of the all powerful state you adore.

But the rioters of BLM and Antifa are to be respected.

Nobody else shot because those cops were damned nice.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Why was she the only one murdered? There were dozens of rioters doing much worse. Why hasn’t the cop been charged?

There's only one reason; "THEY WERE WHITE!" They've already admitted if it had been Antifa or BLM attacking the Capitol, there would have been a true massacre! They wouldn't have hesitated shooting down minorities; even the black cops would have joined in! That's how it goes in this fk'n country! Some lives are counted, but a lot of them aren't!

I have no problem with these people being punished for property destruction, but the idea that they were actually trying to "overthrow the government" is ludicrous.

Oh? How else were they going to "stop the steal?"

They went in there with the thought of raising hell and trying to bring awareness to their ridiculous claims, but the idea that they actually went in thinking they were going to overthrow a nation's government, is so fucking mind boggling stupid, I don't even know where to begin.
You're certainly not the only one that is stupid however, there were plenty others who actually believe that we ALMOST lost our democracy.

WTF?

By "raising hell," you mean storming the Capitol to assassinate the vice president, House Speaker, and who knows who else?

How many actually wanted to, and were willing to carry out such extreme measures? Likely a few mentally ill radicals, and the rest just wanted to have their grievences aired.
BLM and Aunt Teefah have torched buildings, automobiles, some with police officers inside, I don't see you and others here on the left shrieking about their actions.

Nobody cares about your irrelevant whataboutisms. Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol with the intent to assassinate the VP, House Speaker, possibly others, and to treasonously prevent the winner of the presidential election from being certified and to install their own despotic election loser.

Rightardism is the enemy of America.

A handful at best would have actually attempted such a thing.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Why was she the only one murdered? There were dozens of rioters doing much worse. Why hasn’t the cop been charged?

It wasn't murder and that cop wasn't charged because he's a hero. He saved countless lives.

"He saved countless lives"? You're assuming the mob was going to start killing everyone, and I sincerely doubt that was going to be the case.
All of these people need to be prosecuted for what they actually did, some more harshly than others, however the idea our democracy was almost lost that day, as well as countless lives lost is ridiculous hyperbole.

It mattered not if they would have killed anyone in terms of I being a threat once they broke through the barricade. One did break through and there's no question others would have followed as they were trying to break down those doors after seeing lawmakers on the other side they didn't want to get away.

It would have been a bloodbath had those traitors stormed into the Speaker's Lobby. That cop saved lives.

If anything, the bloodbath would have been the cops killing the insurgents.

The FBI has stated no weapons were seized, and the only known shot fired was the one fired by the cop that killed Ashli Babbitt.

 

[lennypartiv]

No one is a fascist for pointing out someone, who threatened our own government to flip an election their candidate lost, is a traitor.

Some of us don't think it's okay to steal an election.

 

[Oldestyle]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Why was she the only one murdered? There were dozens of rioters doing much worse. Why hasn’t the cop been charged?

It wasn't murder and that cop wasn't charged because he's a hero. He saved countless lives.

It is always murder to kill an unarmed woman.
He saved no lives.

Not necessarily. If they were coming through your window in your house as part of a mob that had just busted it out to force entry and you were pointing your gun and saying keep back, but they kept coming, would you hold fire until overrun? I wouldn't and I am not even part of law enforcement. If somebody is pointing a gun at you threatening to shoot, you would be a fool to continue to attack or enter, thinking they won't really shoot. Poor choices are a bitch.

But you have to understand, they were just patriots brainwashed to believe what they were doing was sanctioned! According to Republican senators like Johnson, he "didn't feel threatened in the least! Now if it had been BLM or Atifa, I might have been concerned!" Karma, pls land on his head; TWICE!

Actually, they ceased to be patriots when they succumbed to the brainwashing. You don't get patriotic points for what you used to be, especially if 180 degrees from what you are doing. Just like cattle or wild elephants being stampeded of a cliff to their death at a dead-fall.

You don't know what a "dead-fall" is...do you? Your analogy became laughable when you tried to use a term you were clueless about.

If you don't watch what cliff some idiot stampedes you off of while he watches and smiles from a safe vantage point, you won't care what it is called on the way down.

Still don't know what a dead fall is? Look it up! A brain is a terrible thing to waste...

 

[Oldestyle]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Sadly, she died a traitor.

Dumb. See my thread posted today. You exemplify it’s meaning completely.

You’re a fascist and don’t know it.

You're a moron. No one is a fascist for pointing out someone, who threatened our own government to flip an election their candidate lost, is a traitor.

One person among dozens trying to enter the capitol but the cop kills her, at point blank range. No one else is shot in the INSURRECTION!!! Why?

In your deluded fascist world, the cops should have mass murdered all the rioters because they are traitors of the all powerful state you adore.

But the rioters of BLM and Antifa are to be respected.

Nobody else shot because those cops were damned nice.

What non lethal steps did those Capital Police resort to before they felt the need to shoot a protester who was simply breaking a window?

 

[White 6]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Why was she the only one murdered? There were dozens of rioters doing much worse. Why hasn’t the cop been charged?

It wasn't murder and that cop wasn't charged because he's a hero. He saved countless lives.

It is always murder to kill an unarmed woman.
He saved no lives.

Not necessarily. If they were coming through your window in your house as part of a mob that had just busted it out to force entry and you were pointing your gun and saying keep back, but they kept coming, would you hold fire until overrun? I wouldn't and I am not even part of law enforcement. If somebody is pointing a gun at you threatening to shoot, you would be a fool to continue to attack or enter, thinking they won't really shoot. Poor choices are a bitch.

But you have to understand, they were just patriots brainwashed to believe what they were doing was sanctioned! According to Republican senators like Johnson, he "didn't feel threatened in the least! Now if it had been BLM or Atifa, I might have been concerned!" Karma, pls land on his head; TWICE!

Actually, they ceased to be patriots when they succumbed to the brainwashing. You don't get patriotic points for what you used to be, especially if 180 degrees from what you are doing. Just like cattle or wild elephants being stampeded of a cliff to their death at a dead-fall.

You don't know what a "dead-fall" is...do you? Your analogy became laughable when you tried to use a term you were clueless about.

If you don't watch what cliff some idiot stampedes you off of while he watches and smiles from a safe vantage point, you won't care what it is called on the way down.

Still don't know what a dead fall is? Look it up! A brain is a terrible thing to waste...

Look slick. You knew what I was talking about because running them or stampeding them off a cliff was mentioned in both posts, including the i wrote in response to you bitching about erroneously calling this ancient technique by the name deadfall. You saying that word stopped you from understanding is just you sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and shaking your head back and fourth saying na,na,na,na,na,na, I can't hear you, like a 7 year old.

 

[Oldestyle]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Why was she the only one murdered? There were dozens of rioters doing much worse. Why hasn’t the cop been charged?

It wasn't murder and that cop wasn't charged because he's a hero. He saved countless lives.

It is always murder to kill an unarmed woman.
He saved no lives.

Not necessarily. If they were coming through your window in your house as part of a mob that had just busted it out to force entry and you were pointing your gun and saying keep back, but they kept coming, would you hold fire until overrun? I wouldn't and I am not even part of law enforcement. If somebody is pointing a gun at you threatening to shoot, you would be a fool to continue to attack or enter, thinking they won't really shoot. Poor choices are a bitch.

But you have to understand, they were just patriots brainwashed to believe what they were doing was sanctioned! According to Republican senators like Johnson, he "didn't feel threatened in the least! Now if it had been BLM or Atifa, I might have been concerned!" Karma, pls land on his head; TWICE!

Actually, they ceased to be patriots when they succumbed to the brainwashing. You don't get patriotic points for what you used to be, especially if 180 degrees from what you are doing. Just like cattle or wild elephants being stampeded of a cliff to their death at a dead-fall.

You don't know what a "dead-fall" is...do you? Your analogy became laughable when you tried to use a term you were clueless about.

If you don't watch what cliff some idiot stampedes you off of while he watches and smiles from a safe vantage point, you won't care what it is called on the way down.

Still don't know what a dead fall is? Look it up! A brain is a terrible thing to waste...

Look slick. You knew what I was talking about because running them or stampeding them off a cliff was mentioned in both posts, including the i wrote in response to you bitching about erroneously calling this ancient technique by the name deadfall. You saying that word stopped you from understanding is just you sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and shaking your head back and fourth saying na,na,na,na,na,na, I can't hear you, like a 7 year old.

Actually...you insisting that deadfall "works" in that statement is YOU sticking your fingers in your ears and saying na, na, na, na, na! If you're going to use an analogy...have it be one that makes sense. In this case...lose the last part of the statement because it doesn't. The term "dead fall" has nothing to do with the ancient art of running animals off cliffs.

 

[Care4all]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Sadly, she died a traitor.

Dumb. See my thread posted today. You exemplify it’s meaning completely.

You’re a fascist and don’t know it.

You're a moron. No one is a fascist for pointing out someone, who threatened our own government to flip an election their candidate lost, is a traitor.

One person among dozens trying to enter the capitol but the cop kills her, at point blank range. No one else is shot in the INSURRECTION!!! Why?

In your deluded fascist world, the cops should have mass murdered all the rioters because they are traitors of the all powerful state you adore.

But the rioters of BLM and Antifa are to be respected.

Nobody else shot because those cops were damned nice.

What non lethal steps did those Capital Police resort to before they felt the need to shoot a protester who was simply breaking a window?

fyi
All the other windows broken in the capitol by the rioters were used as illegal entry points. Rioters used them to enter the building or chamber, crawled through the broken windows, and unlocked the doors for the rest of the rioters to storm through.

 

[Care4all]

No one is a fascist for pointing out someone, who threatened our own government to flip an election their candidate lost, is a traitor.

Some of us don't think it's okay to steal an election.

Then STOP trying to steal it from Biden, he won on the up and up.

 

[Correll]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

 

[Oldestyle]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Sadly, she died a traitor.

Dumb. See my thread posted today. You exemplify it’s meaning completely.

You’re a fascist and don’t know it.

You're a moron. No one is a fascist for pointing out someone, who threatened our own government to flip an election their candidate lost, is a traitor.

One person among dozens trying to enter the capitol but the cop kills her, at point blank range. No one else is shot in the INSURRECTION!!! Why?

In your deluded fascist world, the cops should have mass murdered all the rioters because they are traitors of the all powerful state you adore.

But the rioters of BLM and Antifa are to be respected.

Nobody else shot because those cops were damned nice.

What non lethal steps did those Capital Police resort to before they felt the need to shoot a protester who was simply breaking a window?

fyi
All the other windows broken in the capitol by the rioters were used as illegal entry points. Rioters used them to enter the building or chamber, crawled through the broken windows, and unlocked the doors for the rest of the rioters to storm through.

Actually there is video of Capital Police opening doors and letting the protesters in! My prior question remains! What non lethal steps did the Capital Police take BEFORE one of them shot an unarmed woman in the neck because she was breaking a window?

 

[gipper]

Is there a flight risk with this defendant? If not then why is he sitting in jail awaiting trial? How many liberal protestors were kept in jail while awaiting THEIR trials if they had no criminal records? This is being done to punish...not in the pursuit of justice!

Who cares? It was a choice he and others of his ilk made.

Who cares if the Party in power punishes the opposition by jailing them for protesting and keeping them there without bail? With all due respect, White? EVERYONE should care about that and it shouldn't be an "us" or "them" thing! One of the great things about America is that our justice system is based on the premise of equal justice under the law! I would never ask that anyone be kept in jail pending trial if they aren't a flight risk and have no criminal record that would indicate they're a danger to the public if let free. You keep murderers and rapists locked up without bail. You don't keep protesters locked up without bail. You especially don't do that if you've released OTHER protesters on bail that were far more violent than the rioters at the Capital!

If they have committed by word and deed, acts that say they are a continuing threat to society, I have no problem. Same for those rioter, caught burning, looting or physically attacking people over the supposed BLM cause. If they can bring a habeas corpus ad subjiciendum case before a judge and attain release, more power to them. I am not the one that deemed them a continuing risk to society. Go talk to them.

I just want you to explain why liberal protesters caught by Police committing violent crimes were released on bail yet this man who has no criminal record and doesn't seem to be a flight risk in any way languishes in jail, White? Why is it that one group has a different result from the other? What would your reaction be if it was conservatives that were allowed to go free while liberals were kept incarcerated? Would you be so unconcerned then?

I don't know that guy's story, what he had done prior or posted prior, what statements he made or other made that he may or may not have been involved in. I do know he went before a judge, charges were made and the judge listened to a prosecutor and came to a decision. I have neither the authority to over rule or the inclination to plead for a different judicial ruling. You have that inclination. Write an Amicus brief. If we were talking about violent left wing nut ball rioters out in Portland or any other city that had BLM (WARNING FALSE BUZZ NAME USED) riots my answer would be the same. I'll go with the decision of the judges a thousand miles or more away from Jackson, TN. You sound like you plead the case on emotional patriotic constitutional grounds. Sorry. No go. Those people are not patriots. Patriots do not attack the capitol or commit violence in the streets in support of their cause. Those people got into trouble committing acts by their own decision, calculating that they would not get into much trouble. Their calculation was wrong and now they are the fly that got stuck in the soup. Well, sucks to be them. What I do know is I have had to listen to their weeping and wailing incriminations of the the other sides entirely too much for the last few years from the far left and the far right. I am in the center, the moderate, and a patriot in my own rights. I didn't attack the capitol. I didn't burn liquor stores or break in and loot sporting goods or auto parts stores or approve those that do. I know a lot of patriotic people, moderates, left leaning, right leaning and we share things in common. We didn't get carried away with cause politics, as we are not easily led or manipulated. We didn't strike out against our country or the man or the white man, the black man, the Asian or the border wetbacks. We just went about our own lives and what was actually important to us and our families. Also, know most people closer to the center are fed up with the bickering scoring of points to boost their self esteem against those they tell me are oppressing them and damn sure fed up with violent overthrow of society by the radical left and radical right. So do not try to enlist me or reason me into supporting your current cause dejure of those poor people languishing behind bars awaiting adjudication for their crimes. They should have known what they were doing was wrong and could get them into trouble before they decided to follow somebody down that road to begin with.

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? How is a riot that lasted a few hours with very little damage done worse than riots that lasted months and turned whole blocks into burned out hulks?

Why is it worse to protest at the Capital than it is to riot across multiple cities across the US? I don't give a damn about those cities, especially if those people and those elected city and state politicians wish to put up with it, and they apparently do. It is their problem, but I do care about The Capital of my country, the Constitution of my country, the ability of our elected official to lawfully conduct our business in that place, under that constitution, free from violent attacks, death threats in the halls, and scaffolds built on the lawn as they searched to find the Vice President (I didn't even vote for) to have a lynching party for him on The Capital grounds. You don't get it, because you don't give a Fk about the country, as you believe in party (or despot ruler) over country.

Spare me the shrill hyperbole, White! You know as well as I do that the "scaffold" you so dramatically refer to wouldn't have held the weight of a young child let alone a full grown man like Mike Pence! Ask yourself why it is you have to resort to exaggerations like that? Is it because the riot that took place didn't really compare in it's level of violence or duration to the riots that took place week after week...month after month in cities across the country?

They would have killed Pence had they caught him. Many of them said so.

Oh, bullshit! I suppose you think the scaffold was real too? There is a huge difference between hanging someone in effigy and actually hanging them! Not to you liberals though!

You moron, they didn't need that gallows to kill him. Had they caught him, it's doubtful they would have dragged him out of the Capitol anyway. They would have killed him on the spot.

And yet the only person murdered that day was killed by a cop with a gun.

Wrong. A cop died that day, sprayed in the face with chemicals.

And a protester was killed that was stampeded by the insurectionist crowd.

You forget that b!tch who was shot jumping thru the glass of Congressional doors! Representatives were right there and the guard fired on her crazy arse! She was a marine or something so she knew exactly what she was doing! If only she lived so she could be dishonorably brought down low for being a stinking Republican POS attacking the halls of our democracy! Family members should be cut off as well when it comes to benefits! I just hoped the b!tch had suffered longer while those fools milled about wondering WTF to do as she bled out!

Get a grip dude. She's dead, her debts paid. That Marine paid with her life for her mistake. I am sure, in uniform she served honorably.

Sadly, she died a traitor.

Dumb. See my thread posted today. You exemplify it’s meaning completely.

You’re a fascist and don’t know it.

You're a moron. No one is a fascist for pointing out someone, who threatened our own government to flip an election their candidate lost, is a traitor.

One person among dozens trying to enter the capitol but the cop kills her, at point blank range. No one else is shot in the INSURRECTION!!! Why?

In your deluded fascist world, the cops should have mass murdered all the rioters because they are traitors of the all powerful state you adore.

But the rioters of BLM and Antifa are to be respected.

Nobody else shot because those cops were damned nice.

What non lethal steps did those Capital Police resort to before they felt the need to shoot a protester who was simply breaking a window?

fyi
All the other windows broken in the capitol by the rioters were used as illegal entry points. Rioters used them to enter the building or chamber, crawled through the broken windows, and unlocked the doors for the rest of the rioters to storm through.

Actually there is video of Capital Police opening doors and letting the protesters in! My prior question remains! What non lethal steps did the Capital Police take BEFORE one of them shot an unarmed woman in the neck because she was breaking a window?

The police essentially allowed the protesters in. There is video of them leaving the capitol steps. Then backing away as the protesters entered the building. WTF! Why is there no investigation into the actions the capitol police? It’s as if someone told them allow the protesters in.

Now who benefits from allowing this to occur?

 

[FA_Q2]

The government is charging him with deleting his Facebook page. Now in the end I expect this charge to be dropped but it's a common tactic of law enforcement. Charge someone with all kinds of things to get them to simply plead guilty to a few. That needs to stop. I see this as little different than what Sidney Powell is being sued over. Filing charges (or lawsuits) that have no merit.

Agreed.

You agree that Trump’s lawyer was filing frivolous lawsuits that have no merit?

I agree that the tactic of overcharging to pressure people into coping pleas is a common tactic and one that needs to stop.

Oh, that’s bad but frivolous lawsuits like Powell’s are just dandy?

Pknopp made a number of points, one of which I choose to agree with.

Not sure what part of this you are having trouble with.


Do you like it when prosecutors overcharge so they can terrorize people into pleading out, and giving up their Right to a Trial by a jury of their Peers?

If it gets them to cop a plea or roll over on someone bigger, yeah I'm okay with that.

Wow.

So it is okay for the person that essentially has absolute power over you, your life and your freedom to leverage that power in an attempt to avoid the justice system?

Did you even think about that before backing such?

Avoid the justice system? How do you figure? Here's the thing...they can't charge you with crimes you didn't commit.

Yes, they can. That is actually the point, they charge you with a mountain of crap that they know is not going to work in order to force you plea bargain. That is done to directly mitigate the chance that you will go to court. IOW, they overcharge to avoid the justice system.

If a prosecutor uses the crimes you committed to get you to cop a plea or to give up a bigger criminal, that's perfectly fine with me. (And is a pretty common practice). How do you think they bust drug rings, pedophile rings, human trafficking rings, the mob?

They do not bust crimes with overcharging. That practice is directly related avoiding the justice system. What you are talking about is offering a plea bargain in exchange for information. A different concept, one that does not require the DA to tack on bullshit to make you sound like you are in a position that you are not in.

https://scholarship.law.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1003&context=lawreview

"If our criminal justice system were trial-centered, prosecutors would only have reason to file charges on which they would likely secure a conviction. However, because most criminal convictions are secured through plea negotiations, prosecutors have an incentive to file more serious charges than those supported by the evidence with the “hope that a defendant will be risk averse.” Furthermore, prosecutors lack any political incentive to refrain from overcharging because most communities want the state to be tough on crime. Because prosecutors have an incentive to encourage pretrial dispositions, many include all possible charges in an indictment, including those with very little support. To meet minimal ethical standards, prosecutors need only show that they have probable cause to “believe that the accused committed an offense defined by statute.” Although there are persuasive arguments in favor of flexible charging discretion, broad prosecutorial discretion diminishes a defendant’s ability to knowingly and voluntarily enter into a guilty plea. Exacerbating the problem, “often it takes nothing more than a fertile imagination to spin several crimes out of a single transaction.”
pg 84-85

The reality here is that this practice hits the poor very hard as they do not have the representation to actually face these prosecutors in court. Many of them are represented by public defenders who actually have the incentive to plead the case out no matter what position their defendant is actually in, they gain noting by actually defending their client in court even if they would easily get a far better conclusion than the plea bargain offers.

In the OP, the charge of deleting the Facebook page is a bullshit charge that is not really a crime and the state knows that they are not going to get a conviction there. That, however, is irrelevant as the charge is a useful tool. That is a gross and direct abuse of the awesome power that the state has in any prosecutorial situation. The real reason charges are used this way is to save money. That is it, it is cheaper to plea bargain and the prosecutor gets a guaranteed check in their win column without the effort of having to actually prove a defendant guilty. No motivation exists for the charge to be valid, prosecutable or even valid. ALL the incentives point against justice. I do not find the practice of stamping on peoples rights to save a few bucks or even a shit ton of money as acceptable. It is outright wrong.

Now, less scholarly but articles that point out the true horror that this practice embodies:

Coercive Plea Bargaining Has Poisoned the Criminal Justice System. It’s Time to Suck the Venom Out. | ACLU

The vast number of cases brought under our system of mass incarceration means that plea bargaining is the only way for courts to get through the sheer number of cases in their dockets. This system lacks process, fairness, and often even rule of law.

www.aclu.org

Opinion | Prosecutors are packing prisons by coercing plea deals, and it's totally legal

American prosecutors are equipped with a fearsome array of tools they can and do use to discourage people from exercising their right to a jury trial.

www.nbcnews.com

"According to a recent study from the Pew Research Center, of the roughly 80,000 federal prosecutions initiated in 2018, just two percent went to trial. More than 97 percent of federal criminal convictions are obtained through plea bargains, and the states are not far behind at 94 percent. Why are people so eager to confess their guilt instead of challenging the government to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to the satisfaction of a unanimous jury?

The answer is simple and stark: They’re being coerced.

Though physical torture remains off limits, American prosecutors are equipped with a fearsome array of tools they can use to extract confessions and discourage people from exercising their right to a jury trial. These tools include charge-stacking (charging more or more serious crimes than the conduct really merits), legislatively-ordered mandatory-minimum sentences, pretrial detention with unaffordable bail, threats to investigate and indict friends or family members, and the so-called trial penalty — what the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers calls the “substantial difference between the sentence offered prior to trial versus the sentence a defendant receives after a trial.”

Of coercive plea bargaining’s many problems, two are particularly concerning.

The first is false convictions. Though it was once believed that a confession in open court — a guilty plea — was proof-positive of a person’s guilt, we now know that simply isn’t true. Indeed, of the more than 300 people definitively exonerated by the Innocence Project using DNA evidence, some 11 percent pleaded guilty to crimes they did not commit since 1989. The National Registry of Exonerations puts the total number at 20 percent since 1989."

Threats to indict friends and family members.... seems we just recently ran into a high profile case of that fucked up tactic.


"In 2006, George Alvarez was charged with assaulting a prison guard while awaiting trial on public intoxication. He knew he didn’t do it — the guards actually jumped him — but the ten year mandatory minimum sentence at trial scared him so much that he pled guilty. Little did he know that the government had a video proving his innocence, but they buried it long enough for prosecutors to extract the plea first. George spent almost four years behind bars fighting for his innocence before finally being exonerated.

In 2015, Lavette Mayes got in a fight with her mother-in-law. She had no criminal history and had sustained injuries herself, yet a prosecutor charged her with aggravated assault, and a judge set her bail at $250,000. Unable to pay, she spent fourteen months in jail awaiting trial, unable to see or touch her children once. She lost her job. She developed health problems. Even after getting released on bond and downgraded to an ankle monitor, she struggled to resume her previous life due to the trauma she’d experienced while incarcerated. So instead of spending years fighting her case in failing health, she pled guilty to end the ordeal."

So, again, I do not think you have actually thought through the real world impacts of this practice. NEVER give the ones with absolute power the benefit of the doubt, IMHO it is rare that such power is exercised in a fair or righteous manner.