Now Trump wants help from allies, allies fed up with Trump say "no"

[gipper]

Sure, but normally in reference to OPEC countries. NOt AMERICA.

What? WTF!

 

[ElmerMudd]

This entire thread is lefties claiming that their hurt FEELINGS because ORANGE MAN, are what is driving their policy of NOT helping.

This is the first I have heard claim of "weight cost vs ...the solution"?

You mean "cost vs benefit"?


I understand your confusion. This is the first time I have met a lefty that is even dimly aware of the concept.

This whole thread is about now that we are at war with Iran how do we succeed.
Trump and MAGA are making decisions about the world they wish it would be. We need to make decisions on the way the world is. Trump and cabinet need to get serious. Put the US above Trump's ego.
For success in Iran, standing up for Trump as opposed to standing up what needs to be done to finish the war will end up with more lives lost.
GET OFF THE TRUMP WAGON and GET ON THE USA WAGON.

 

[frigidweirdo]

But if we succeed in removing the regime and liberating Iran, they'll won't hesitate to sit back and reap the benefits. Europe has become weak and decadent and that's why their own countries are being overrun with these people causing all kinds of problems.

How do you know what will happen?

One of the main reasons why the current regime is in power, is because the US interfering in their politics in the first place.

Look at Afghanistan, the US went in, brought "democracy" to the country.... and where is it now? In the hands of the Taliban.

When you say they're being overrun by people causing all kinds of problems... the US has higher murder rates, it has problems with crimes. Yes, I disagree with mass immigration, but Europe isn't any worse off than the US. And "weak"? I don't think so. They just don't do what the US does, which is go around bullying people into doing what they want them to do. The problem Europe has is it gets the tag of being a US lapdog, and so they get attacked.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Our allies would rather weather the storm as they see that as less costly than joining Trump's war of vanity.

Or they'd rather not help Trump because.... "fukc Trump".

 

[Correll]

This whole thread is about now that we are at war with Iran how do we succeed.

No, the thread title is clear. This is a hit piece against Trump.

Trump and MAGA are making decisions about the world they wish it would be. We need to make decisions on the way the world is. Trump and cabinet need to get serious. Put the US above Trump's ego.

When TRUMP is not diplomatic, you people attack him mercilessly. When other leaders are not diplomatic towards TRUMP, you people love it.

Thus, your words are meaningless shit.

For success in Iran, standing up for Trump as opposed to standing up what needs to be done to finish the war will end up with more lives lost.
GET OFF THE TRUMP WAGON and GET ON THE USA WAGON.

Says the man giving a pass to the butt hurt European leaders. Because he always is against AMERICA and for those that are opposing US.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump: We won Iran!
Trump later that day: If China and the EU don’t help us in Iran, there will be hell to pay

So which is it?

 

[ElmerMudd]

No, the thread title is clear. This is a hit piece against Trump.




When TRUMP is not diplomatic, you people attack him mercilessly. When other leaders are not diplomatic towards TRUMP, you people love it.

Thus, your words are meaningless shit.



Says the man giving a pass to the butt hurt European leaders. Because he always is against AMERICA and for those that are opposing US.

You are a perfect example of putting Trump above all else. Trump and MAGA (you) are affecting the entire world in a negative way.
When you bully, insult and disrespect countries of the world, when a time like this come around, don't be surprised if they are not bending over backwards to help the USA. They are still helping the USA despite Trump.
As the US moves forward putting together a successful plan to end the war, TRUMP and MAGA's bullshit has to stop. It is resulting in more people dying including our brave soldiers. Trump and MAGA are focusing on one man's needs, not the needs of the USA and the world.

For success in Iran, standing up for Trump as opposed to standing up what needs to be done to finish the war will end up with more lives lost.
GET OFF THE TRUMP WAGON and GET ON THE USA WAGON. You never will. You are a pathetic, spineless, lemming cult member. The lowest form of life.

 

[Correll]

You are a perfect example of putting Trump above all else. Trump and MAGA (you) are affecting the entire world in a negative way.
When you bully, insult and disrespect countries of the world, when a time like this come around, don't be surprised if they are not bending over backwards to help the USA. They are still helping the USA despite Trump.
As the US moves forward putting together a successful plan to end the war, TRUMP and MAGA's bullshit has to stop. It is resulting in more people dying including our brave soldiers. Trump and MAGA are focusing on one man's needs, not the needs of the USA and the world.

For success in Iran, standing up for Trump as opposed to standing up what needs to be done to finish the war will end up with more lives lost.
GET OFF THE TRUMP WAGON and GET ON THE USA WAGON. You never will. You are a pathetic, spineless, lemming cult member. The lowest form of life.

In reality, for decades, America has treated the Europeans countries with respect and diplomacy and they have taken great advantage of us, at teh expense of the American people.


Trump is, RIGHTFULLY, calling them out on their bad behavior and putting them on notice that if they want our leadership and protection, then they have to carry their weight in this alliance.


That they have been rude, disrepectful and ungrateful about this, as they have been dragged kicking and screaming into a semblence of responsibility,

is a failure on their part, not ours.

You are an anti-American piece of shit.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is now threatening China and NATO if they don’t get him out of the mess he created

He acts unilaterally, ignores the opinions of others and then when the Strait of Hormuz is closed…..demand others fix it

 

[ElmerMudd]

In reality, for decades, America has treated the Europeans countries with respect and diplomacy and they have taken great advantage of us, at teh expense of the American people.


Trump is, RIGHTFULLY, calling them out on their bad behavior and putting them on notice that if they want our leadership and protection, then they have to carry their weight in this alliance.


That they have been rude, disrepectful and ungrateful about this, as they have been dragged kicking and screaming into a semblence of responsibility,

is a failure on their part, not ours.

You are an anti-American piece of shit.

Your definition of what it means to be an American, an American patriot is completely different than mine.
I want to be a good citizen of the USA and a good citizen of the world. I doubt you even consider being a good citizen of the world.

 

[rightwinger]

Strait of Hormuz: President Donald Trump urged Beijing to help address disruptions on the strait. He claimed there’s been “some positive response” after reaching out to countries for help with securing the strait and warned that NATO faces a “very bad” future if allies fail to assist.

Trump starts trade wars, threatens other countries, insults them

Then wonders why they don’t rush to help us

 

[Correll]

Your definition of what it means to be an American, an American patriot is completely different than mine.
I want to be a good citizen of the USA and a good citizen of the world. I doubt you even consider being a good citizen of the world.

I said nothing about being either an American or an American PATRIOT.

All I discussed in my last post was the way, the ACTUAL way, as opposed to your shit talk,

the ACTUAL way that events and relations have went between Europe adn the US over the last few years.

You spouted nonsense, to avoid dealing with my counter points.


Typical leftie.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Now he's finding out the consequences to his actions. These allies don't want to join Trump because they think Trump is not the sort of ally you really want.

They can pay a lot more for gasoline then.

This should be fun.

 

[ElmerMudd]

I said nothing about being either an American or an American PATRIOT.

All I discussed in my last post was the way, the ACTUAL way, as opposed to your shit talk,

the ACTUAL way that events and relations have went between Europe adn the US over the last few years.

You spouted nonsense, to avoid dealing with my counter points.


Typical leftie.

You cannot handle the truth. Iwas a registered Republican until 2016. No longer. Iam not a democrat.

 

[Roudy]

Not necessary. The govt is about to collapse, once it does there will be no Hormuz or Persian Gulf issue. Trump is once again testing our true allies and those who claim to have our back.

 

[schmidlap]

Trump is now threatening China and NATO if they don’t get him out of the mess he created

He acts unilaterally, ignores the opinions of others and then when the Strait of Hormuz is closed…..demand others fix it

China might be grateful to Trump for surrendering to it the growing global clean-energy technology market, but it might not feel any urgency about his fouling up the ill-fated global oil market.

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Iran has continued to send large amounts of crude oil via the Strait of Hormuz to China even as the war between U.S.-Israel and Iran has jeopardized broader supplies through the critical waterway.​

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Iran has sent at least 11.7 million barrels of crude oil through the Strait of Hormuz since the war began on Feb. 28, all of which were headed to China...​

MSN

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[Kruska]

They can pay a lot more for gasoline then.

This should be fun.

Europe is already paying double and more - then the US is.
That's why we won't help the USA - we need our money for TACO's oil price increase.

 

[schmidlap]

Not necessary. The govt is about to collapse, once it does there will be no Hormuz or Persian Gulf issue. Trump is once again testing our true allies and those who claim to have our back.

They won't be bullied.

 

[Roudy]

They won't be bullied.

That’s fine, we are taking names. They better not cry wolf and ask us to help save them from allowing the invasion of millions of Muslims with medieval mindsets.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Trump calls for allies to help secure Strait of Hormuz as Iran vows to step up retaliation

Iran threatened regional escalation in response to U.S. airstrikes, while President Trump urged allies to deploy warships to secure the Strait of Hormuz. Both sides appear entrenched, with no diplomatic resolution in sight as oil supply disruptions continue. Iran has rejected a ceasefire until...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

"Trump calls for allies to help secure Strait of Hormuz as Iran vows to step up retaliation"

So, Trump went off on one criticizing tradition US allies, like the UK, like Spain (the only two countries to participate in the Iraq War in 2003).

Now he's finding out the consequences to his actions. These allies don't want to join Trump because they think Trump is not the sort of ally you really want.

Trump "negotiated" with the American people during his campaign. He placed on the negotiating table a number of lofty promises that sounded refreshing to Americans who simply wanted a leader who would "put America First."

Fast forward to around 3 to 6 months into his Presidency and he reneges on several of his promises. He calls his supporters weaklings for seeking justice for the Epstein victims and tells us that he "no longer needs" our support.

If a President is willing to break his promise to the American people then why on earth would anyone trust him in any other situation? He's a conman and the world knows it.