Trump proposes “joint venture” with Iran.

[CowboyTed]

They could run a pipeline across the peninsula. Shuttle tankers could unload on the west side into holding tanks. Tankers could approach from the east side without going through the strait and fill up.

How easy would that take to drone attack... Don't even need to guide them in, just plug in the GPs Co-ordinates...

This is on the same level as the unclimbable wall with Mexico, unless you have a ladder...

 

[HikerGuy83]

In their minds. That's all that matters.

Feel better, having said that.

I am sure you are a legend in your own mind.

Being part of dblack's cheer team must give you a real sense of something.

 

[CowboyTed]

Fake News

Not even current version of Trump is that far gone

Trump suggests 'joint venture' with Iran in Strait of Hormuz

President Donald Trump told ABC News on Wednesday morning that the U.S. may seek a "joint venture" with Iran to safeguard the Strait of Hormuz.

abc7ny.com

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5821343-trump-us-iran-ceasefire-deal-joint-venture-strait-of-hormuz/

We are talking about two corrupt regimes and us getting fleeced...

 

[HikerGuy83]

How easy would that take to drone attack... Don't even need to guide them in, just plug in the GPs Co-ordinates...

This is on the same level as the unclimbable wall with Mexico, unless you have a ladder...

We were discussing how to bypass the straight.

Which is an issue because it forces you into Iranian waters....as I understand it.

If you had a pipeline that kept you out of their waters and Iran attacked it, that would be an act of war and they'd be crushed.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Here is the truth, America and much of the West have underwritten Chinas economy to the tunes of many trillions and they have used your own resources to fund Russia, Iran, N Korea and others. When they run the world they will not be nearly as benevolent.

And America has funded a vastly overbudgeted military, Food industry that proudy poisons us and a Pharma Industry that works with the food industry to develop lifelong "cures" for the poisons.

Time to take it all apart and rebuild it better

 

[HikerGuy83]

It's all he has when challenged.

 

[CowboyTed]

They could do it.

I didn't say it would be easy. I am sure they have thought of it before.

Now might be the time.

It would be less expensive to just blow Iran to hell.

Canal no...

Pipeline maybe but would be very exposed...

Why bother with Iran in the first place?

Iran said that getting rid of all Nuclear was on the table and Isreal said that Iran normalising with the rest of the world was not going to happen...
How can you have a war if the other side is not looking for a fight?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Canal no...

Pipeline maybe but would be very exposed...

That's what we were discussing.

We don't need you to jump in the middle and ask the same questions 100 people are asking in other threads.

Have a day.

 

[Woodznutz]

How easy would that take to drone attack... Don't even need to guide them in, just plug in the GPs Co-ordinates...

This is on the same level as the unclimbable wall with Mexico, unless you have a ladder...

I'm directing this idea at the fees Iran would collect, not to protect the oil shipments. Also, attacking the oil bound for their allies and other neutral countries wouldn't be too bright.

 

[Woodznutz]

Canal no...

Pipeline maybe but would be very exposed...

Why bother with Iran in the first place?

Iran said that getting rid of all Nuclear was on the table and Isreal said that Iran normalising with the rest of the world was not going to happen...
How can you have a war if the other side is not looking for a fight?

All oil production and transportation is exposed now. My point is to avoid all future fees for passing through Iranian waters (although it might be cheaper to pay the fees than pay for the pipeline fees).

 

[CowboyTed]

And America has funded a vastly overbudgeted military, Food industry that proudy poisons us and a Pharma Industry that works with the food industry to develop lifelong "cures" for the poisons.

Time to take it all apart and rebuild it better

Frank,

Look at Europe... Europe consider US too pro corporate.. They control your media, control you laws (lobbying) and have effectively taken charge...

US is run for profit on the backs of the US people...

Europe tries (not always successful) to run the country for its people...

• Voting is different, far more choice.
• Campaign Donations and lobbying is vastly reduced... Lobbying in US is bribery.
• Corporations are there to serve the people.
• Your country is judged on how you treat you weakest and most vulnerable in society
• Together we can be better, if I win doesn't mean you lose, trade especially shows that we can and should both win
• People are generally good, there isn't an army of deadbeats trying to rob your money
• People born in other countries are not evil if they want to live in your country. They can add to your country just as much.
• Listen to people, be empathic, have patience try to understand
• Love thy Neighbour
• Many more different ideals...

 

[CowboyTed]

I'm directing this idea at the fees Iran would collect, not to protect the oil shipments. Also, attacking the oil bound for their allies and other neutral countries wouldn't be too bright.

I understand...

I say you would be a long time recouping that money... Unloading and loading these Oil tankers is expensive... Bit of a logistical nightmare..

 

[HikerGuy83]

wouldn't be too bright.

It would be an open act of war and certain death for Iran.

 

[Woodznutz]

And America has funded a vastly overbudgeted military, Food industry that proudy poisons us and a Pharma Industry that works with the food industry to develop lifelong "cures" for the poisons.

And the American people lap it up pigs knee-deep in slop.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I understand...

I say you would be a long time recouping that money... Unloading and loading these Oil tankers is expensive... Bit of a logistical nightmare..

So is getting attacked by a regime that somehow things Ala loves them.

 

[Woodznutz]

It would be an open act of war and certain death for Iran.

Iran would become the world's biggest parking lot.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Frank,

Look at Europe... Europe consider US too pro corporate.. They control your media, control you laws (lobbying) and have effectively taken charge...

US is run for profit on the backs of the US people...

Europe tries (not always successful) to run the country for its people...

• Voting is different, far more choice.
• Campaign Donations and lobbying is vastly reduced... Lobbying in US is bribery.
• Corporations are there to serve the people.
• Your country is judged on how you treat you weakest and most vulnerable in society
• Together we can be better, if I win doesn't mean you lose, trade especially shows that we can and should both win
• People are generally good, there isn't an army of deadbeats trying to rob your money
• People born in other countries are not evil if they want to live in your country. They can add to your country just as much.
• Listen to people, be empathic, have patience try to understand
• Love thy Neighbour
• Many more different ideals...

We live in homes that are separate from others.

We have the greatest medical technology.

We drive cars and are not herded like cattle.

 

[schmidlap]

Here is the truth, America and much of the West have underwritten Chinas economy to the tunes of many trillions and they have used your own resources to fund Russia, Iran, N Korea and others. When they run the world they will not be nearly as benevolent.

Who surrendered the surging global clean energy technology market to China?

​

China's export of solar and wind technology is a significant part of its clean energy strategy. The country is the world's largest manufacturer of solar PV modules and battery cells, producing around 80% of the world's solar PV modules and 70% of electric vehicles...​

​

China's offshore wind fleet is a testament to its leadership in renewable energy, with a growing capacity that contributes over 50% of the overall offshore wind capacity in construction worldwide...​

China's overseas investments in the wind and solar industries have also been significant, with a cumulative value of nearly US$40 billion in 54 investments and nearly 6,000 MW of installed capacity. These investments are concentrated in developed countries like the United States, Germany, Italy, and Australia, driven by China's policy support and financial support from state-owned banks...​

​

These trends reflect China's commitment to ensuring energy security and reliability while sustaining industrial competitiveness.​

 

[Woodznutz]

Who surrendered the surging global clean energy technology market to China?

​

China's export of solar and wind technology is a significant part of its clean energy strategy. The country is the world's largest manufacturer of solar PV modules and battery cells, producing around 80% of the world's solar PV modules and 70% of electric vehicles...​

​

China's offshore wind fleet is a testament to its leadership in renewable energy, with a growing capacity that contributes over 50% of the overall offshore wind capacity in construction worldwide...​

China's overseas investments in the wind and solar industries have also been significant, with a cumulative value of nearly US$40 billion in 54 investments and nearly 6,000 MW of installed capacity. These investments are concentrated in developed countries like the United States, Germany, Italy, and Australia, driven by China's policy support and financial support from state-owned banks...​

​

These trends reflect China's commitment to ensuring energy security and reliability while sustaining industrial competitiveness.​

They are still building hundreds of new coal-fired power plants to keep up with demand and to ensure a reliable supply of electricity.

 

[JGalt]

Who surrendered the surging global clean energy technology market to China?

​

China's export of solar and wind technology is a significant part of its clean energy strategy. The country is the world's largest manufacturer of solar PV modules and battery cells, producing around 80% of the world's solar PV modules and 70% of electric vehicles...​

​

China's offshore wind fleet is a testament to its leadership in renewable energy, with a growing capacity that contributes over 50% of the overall offshore wind capacity in construction worldwide...​

China's overseas investments in the wind and solar industries have also been significant, with a cumulative value of nearly US$40 billion in 54 investments and nearly 6,000 MW of installed capacity. These investments are concentrated in developed countries like the United States, Germany, Italy, and Australia, driven by China's policy support and financial support from state-owned banks...​

​

These trends reflect China's commitment to ensuring energy security and reliability while sustaining industrial competitiveness.​

Meanwhile, over 70% of China's total operating fleet of automobiles and trucks are gasoline-powered and will remain so until at least 2030.