Not only should we not have more socialism in our US government we should reduce the current socialist reforms.

[dblack]

Well, equal rights would ensure that anyone can apply for a college of their choice and nothing more. An equal opportunity would be a governmental program to assist deserving applicants financial assistance for that college degree.

The benefit for society is that college educated people pay 2.5X more in tax money on average over their working lifetimes than just high school educated people.

Ok. That's what I was worried about - we're talking past each other because we're defining words differently. Can't get very far in a conversation like that.

For the record, in the past, when I've said "equal rights", I meant equal universal liberties. They're the same for everyone, no matter who you are, how much money you have or your station in life. I've always seen "equal opportunity" to mean essentially the same thing - government won't erect any artificial barriers based on who a person is.

Going forward I'll use "equal liberties" rather than "equal rights", for clarity sake.

Your version of equal opportunity sounds to me more like equal outcomes. The cruel irony of that, is that the only way government can ensure equal outcomes is to violate equal liberties. The two concepts aren't compatible.

 

[ElmerMudd]

What is this steal talk?

not my words. The words of the one I was responding to.

 

[otto105]

Ok. That's what I was worried about - we're talking past each other because we're defining words differently. Can't get very far in a conversation like that.

For the record, in the past, when I've said "equal rights", I meant equal universal liberties. They're the same for everyone, no matter who you are, how much money you have or your station in life. I've always seen "equal opportunity" to mean essentially the same thing - government won't erect any artificial barriers based on who a person is.

Going forward I'll use "equal liberties" rather than "equal rights", for clarity sake.

Your version of equal opportunity sounds to me more like equal outcomes. The cruel irony of that, is that the only way government can ensure equal outcomes is to violate equal liberties. The two concepts aren't compatible.

My example has nothing to do with equal outcomes. It has everything to do with equal opportunities. Any outcome is up to the person.

Feel the same way about government creating opportunity zones for businesses.

 

[Rigby5]

What is this steal talk?

I never minded when I was paying less than 20% in taxes, but it felt like "stealing" when they started taking more than that. And once you add them all together, fed, state, sales, property tax, etc. it can start to seem excessive.

 

[dblack]

My example has nothing to do with equal outcomes. It has everything to do with equal opportunities. Any outcome is up to the person.

Feel the same way about government creating opportunity zones for businesses.

mkay

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Religion is the opiate of the masses
-Karl Marx

He said that.

 

[bripat9643]

Careful, that is actually what GOPers want. They want only the rich to have anything. Everyone else should go work at Amazon for $8/hr. And be happy with what they got

Stuff like this proves only that progs are morons.