North Korean defector realizes that American leftists are "nuts"

[colfax_m]

Looks like someone has discovered there’s a lot of money to be made by telling the right wing what they want to hear.

Theres even more money to be made in silencing ideas on college campuses across the U.S.
laugh at her, discredit her go ahead, because you know so much more than her. But she is right when she says people here dont realize how hard it is to be free.
You dont realize it because you were born into this country with your freedoms intact, but now your fat and stupid. Once something is taken away by the people you give power over your life to, it's much harder to ever get back.

With all due respect, this is a lot of pseudointellectual gibberish.

I'm not laughing at her, and I don't for one second discount or deride what she went through to escape North Korea.

The article isn't very informative and it doesn't actually say all that much. That kind of ambiguity has allowed posters in this thread to fill in the gaps with their own agenda and biases. I don't know what it means that we "don't realize how hard it is to be free". That isn't a statement which means much to me. You're welcome to explain it further and I won't try to impute anything from it.

What I find really weird is that she brings up two issues. First is that she was pressured to agree with her professors. Whenever that exists, it's a problem. The thing is, anyone who is capable of making a cogent argument should be rewarded for it. I think at least some of the people who say they were punished for "disagreeing" are actually just making excuses because their arguments weren't very good.

But the other issue is that she brings up gender identity. Now, if the idea is that the US should support individual freedom and liberty, what greater expression of individual freedom and liberty is there than to be able to determine which gender you want to identify with?

Did you not watch the video with her talking? she pretty much explained "how hard it is to be free". Yeah when you live in a place like NK... you get free by physically leaving at risk to your life. that is an extreme.
But the point is still valid here. We only lose our freedoms incrementally. What happens on college campuses you can say doesn't matter, but in essence they are a microcosim of what is coming as these bright students eventually take over places of power.
Much of what she had to say was about the sensor ship and devoidness of critical thinking she encountered at Colombia. I'm supprised you cant figure out what shes talking about. It's quite simple and straightforward.

To be honest, I read the article, didn't have much time to listen to the video, but they're pretty similar.

No, they don't really say how "hard it is to be free". Like, yeah, it was hard for her to obtain freedom given where she was born. How does that mean it's hard for me to be free?

She accuses everyone of brainwashing, but she doesn't really provide much to go on. Like, she states that they're taught that white men did racist things. Thing is, they kinda did. And they kinda did for a long time. It would be brainwashing to pretend like that wasn't real. We don't paper over our own history here. If the problem is that the government is too controlling and overreaching, it wouldn't manifest in a way that attacked it's past. Right? North Koreans don't teach their students that the previous dictators of North Korea were evil. They say that their country is perfect.

But it's kinda all over the place. Because she talks about how our government is so overreaching and brainwashing people but then she goes on to mock people who say they're oppressed here because she knows what it's like to be oppressed. I get the second point. People here are no where near as oppressed as what she experienced and some perspective is warranted, but then why does she try to make it sound like our government is like North Korea's government and oppressive? Maybe it's the way it's edited. I don't know. It wasn't really all that coherent in my opinion.

 

[busybee01]

Looks like someone has discovered there’s a lot of money to be made by telling the right wing what they want to hear.

Theres even more money to be made in silencing ideas on college campuses across the U.S.
laugh at her, discredit her go ahead, because you know so much more than her. But she is right when she says people here dont realize how hard it is to be free.
You dont realize it because you were born into this country with your freedoms intact, but now your fat and stupid. Once something is taken away by the people you give power over your life to, it's much harder to ever get back.

With all due respect, this is a lot of pseudointellectual gibberish.

I'm not laughing at her, and I don't for one second discount or deride what she went through to escape North Korea.

The article isn't very informative and it doesn't actually say all that much. That kind of ambiguity has allowed posters in this thread to fill in the gaps with their own agenda and biases. I don't know what it means that we "don't realize how hard it is to be free". That isn't a statement which means much to me. You're welcome to explain it further and I won't try to impute anything from it.

What I find really weird is that she brings up two issues. First is that she was pressured to agree with her professors. Whenever that exists, it's a problem. The thing is, anyone who is capable of making a cogent argument should be rewarded for it. I think at least some of the people who say they were punished for "disagreeing" are actually just making excuses because their arguments weren't very good.

But the other issue is that she brings up gender identity. Now, if the idea is that the US should support individual freedom and liberty, what greater expression of individual freedom and liberty is there than to be able to determine which gender you want to identify with?

Even more than that. She is not being jailed for having a different opinion. She claims to believe in freedom but does she really believe it? She apparently is a right wing extremist who wants to impose her views on others. She also apparently is okay with Republican assaults on voting rights and free speech that make us more like North Korea.

 

[busybee01]

When a woman who lived through indoctrination, indoctrination / re-education camps, CCPT (Critical Communist Party Training), and tge big PURGE before escaping to the US tells snowflakes they are now indoctrinated participants in the same movement to divide the nation, re-educate and indoctrinate through CRT...

When she warn what is being perpetrated is the beginning of what she lived through and was lucky enough to escape to the US ... only to see the same things begin happening here....

Snowflakes better wake the F* up and listen.



When a defector from NK living here tells snowflakes what is happening here is even crazier than what is happening under lil' Kim....

Snowflakes better wake the F* up and listen.

The assault on voting rights is a attempt to make us more like North Korea. There is nothing wrong with CRT. It is another point of view that apparently this bitch does not like. The fact that this country can teach CRT shows the greatness of this country. Right wing fascists like you want to teach the Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farms version of US history. That is what is done in North Korea. Apparently you right wing fascists are no different. There are good things in American history but also some not so good things. We should not ignore the not so nice things.

 

[Yarddog]

When a woman who lived through indoctrination, indoctrination / re-education camps, CCPT (Critical Communist Party Training), and tge big PURGE before escaping to the US tells snowflakes they are now indoctrinated participants in the same movement to divide the nation, re-educate and indoctrinate through CRT...

When she warn what is being perpetrated is the beginning of what she lived through and was lucky enough to escape to the US ... only to see the same things begin happening here....

Snowflakes better wake the F* up and listen.



When a defector from NK living here tells snowflakes what is happening here is even crazier than what is happening under lil' Kim....

Snowflakes better wake the F* up and listen.

The assault on voting rights is a attempt to make us more like North Korea. There is nothing wrong with CRT. It is another point of view that apparently this bitch does not like. The fact that this country can teach CRT shows the greatness of this country. Right wing fascists like you want to teach the Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farms version of US history. That is what is done in North Korea. Apparently you right wing fascists are no different. There are good things in American history but also some not so good things. We should not ignore the not so nice things.

Having rules about DAYS and TIMES for voting.... does not take away anyones RIGHTS to vote.
This isnt happening. I get it. Its Fascist not to let the Democrats have every single thing they want.

 

[LuckyDuck]

People on the outside often see what's staring us right in the face but we are blind to it. Just ask any marriage counselor lol

I understand that. My point is that comparing someone whining about pronouns to the North Korean regime is beyond absurd and is quite harmful to credibility.

If she had a legitimate academic point to make, it wouldn’t sound like that. This instead sounds like an attempt to get attention from right wing media who would eat this nonsense up.

There’s a LOT of money to be made in this space.

The defector is just trying to warn what can happen when you basically go from a free multi-party system that allows individual rights, to strict One-Party Socialism, which is Communism. All large central One-Party governments become authoritarian and tyrannical. It's inevitable. They tell you what's best for you and dictate all aspects of your life and why? Because by believing that if they take control over your health, your living conditions and your career, they will always have your best interests at heart. All they will have, is their own benefit at heart.

We aren't going to "communism" anytime soon. And if anyone is going to a one-party government, it would be the party who attempted to change the outcome of the election that they lost as Trump did in 2020.

He didn't lose. The current audit in Maricopa County being strictly observed and video monitored by both Democrats and Republicans is already showing that significant discrepancies, including criminal actions that took place during the election. So, hold on to your hat, as they say.

 

[woodwork201]

America has strong multiparty system, separation of powers and constitutional protections of media and individual rights.

Yeah, right. We actually no longer have none of those things guaranteed in fact even though the Constitution was supposed to guarantee them.

We have a single-party system with the Democratic Party and its Republican Branch. Now, should HR1 get signed into law, no Republican will win in a national election again. But the two-party system is not in the Constitution so you're wrong in multiple ways.

Separation of Powers? The Constitution requires that the Senate approve all Treaties. Yet the Senate abrogated it's responsibility handing over power to approve the Iran nuclear deal to President Obama. The Courts, even the so-called conservative Supreme Court, legislates from the bench in many cases and then, in others, refuse to take constitutional challenges to current law because Congress "might" do something.

Protections of the Media? Really? When high-tech news providers have special protections that smaller providers do not get then the free press clause of the 1st Amendment has been violated.

Individual liberty? In a nation where a cop can hold you on the side of the road without probable cause and require you to wait until their trained dog shows up and points on direction, do we have individual liberty? When Terry stops and stop-and-frisk is supported by the King.. er.. the Supreme Court, do we have individual liberty?

When business owners have to stand by and watch criminals take their stuff, not able to even intervene real time, let alone get justice in the courts, do we have individual property rights? When domestic terrorists and revolutionaries can burn down buildings and businesses and they are protected by the government in the same way Hitler's Brown-Shirts terrorized the Jews and other minorities in Germany, do we have individual liberty?

No; you're wrong on all counts.

 

[AntonToo]

People on the outside often see what's staring us right in the face but we are blind to it. Just ask any marriage counselor lol

I understand that. My point is that comparing someone whining about pronouns to the North Korean regime is beyond absurd and is quite harmful to credibility.

If she had a legitimate academic point to make, it wouldn’t sound like that. This instead sounds like an attempt to get attention from right wing media who would eat this nonsense up.

There’s a LOT of money to be made in this space.

The defector is just trying to warn what can happen when you basically go from a free multi-party system that allows individual rights, to strict One-Party Socialism, which is Communism. All large central One-Party governments become authoritarian and tyrannical. It's inevitable. They tell you what's best for you and dictate all aspects of your life and why? Because by believing that if they take control over your health, your living conditions and your career, they will always have your best interests at heart. All they will have, is their own benefit at heart.

We aren't going to "communism" anytime soon. And if anyone is going to a one-party government, it would be the party who attempted to change the outcome of the election that they lost as Trump did in 2020.

He didn't lose. The current audit in Maricopa County being strictly observed and video monitored by both Democrats and Republicans is already showing that significant discrepancies, including criminal actions that took place during the election. So, hold on to your hat, as they say.

Lol at dupe.

what "criminal actions" did Q-ninjas uncover?

 

[AntonToo]

America has strong multiparty system, separation of powers and constitutional protections of media and individual rights.

Yeah, right. We actually no longer have none of those things guaranteed in fact even though the Constitution was supposed to guarantee them.

We have a single-party system with the Democratic Party and its Republican Branch. Now, should HR1 get signed into law, no Republican will win in a national election again. But the two-party system is not in the Constitution so you're wrong in multiple ways.

Separation of Powers? The Constitution requires that the Senate approve all Treaties. Yet the Senate abrogated it's responsibility handing over power to approve the Iran nuclear deal to President Obama. The Courts, even the so-called conservative Supreme Court, legislates from the bench in many cases and then, in others, refuse to take constitutional challenges to current law because Congress "might" do something.

Protections of the Media? Really? When high-tech news providers have special protections that smaller providers do not get then the free press clause of the 1st Amendment has been violated.

Individual liberty? In a nation where a cop can hold you on the side of the road without probable cause and require you to wait until their trained dog shows up and points on direction, do we have individual liberty? When Terry stops and stop-and-frisk is supported by the King.. er.. the Supreme Court, do we have individual liberty?

When business owners have to stand by and watch criminals take their stuff, not able to even intervene real time, let alone get justice in the courts, do we have individual property rights? When domestic terrorists and revolutionaries can burn down buildings and businesses and they are protected by the government in the same way Hitler's Brown-Shirts terrorized the Jews and other minorities in Germany, do we have individual liberty?

No; you're wrong on all counts.

How to push crazy hyperbole 101.

Sorry that rejecting Dear Leader Trump is something even Republicans can get behind, but it doesn't mean we don't have 2 populist parties. It just means he sucks.

 

[Votto]

North Korean defector slams ‘woke’ US schools

A North Korean defector who attended Columbia said even the regime she grew up in “was not this nuts” after she got a taste of “woke” indoctrination.

nypost.com

A North Korean defector named Yeonmi Park said she viewed the US as country of free thought and free speech – until she went to college here.

Yeonmi Park attended Columbia University and was immediately struck by what she viewed anti-Western sentiment in the classroom and a focus on political correctness that had her thinking “even North Korea isn’t this nuts.”


Here is what else she said

“I expected that I was paying this fortune, all this time and energy, to learn how to think. But they are forcing you to think the way they want you to think,”

“I realized, wow, this is insane. I thought America was different but I saw so many similarities to what I saw in North Korea that I started worrying.”

“I literally crossed the Gobi Desert to be free and I realized I’m not free, America’s not free,”

Yeonmi Park fled North Korea at age 13 in 2007, a voyage that took her and her family to China and South Korea before she went to school in New York at Columbia University in 2016.

Her professors gave students “trigger warnings,” sharing the wording from readings in advance so people could opt out of reading or even sitting in class during discussions, Park told The Post.

“Going to Columbia, the first thing I learned was ‘safe space,’” she said.

“Every problem, they explained us, is because of white men.” Some of the discussions of white privilege reminded her of the caste system in her native country, where people were categorized based on their ancestors", she said.

“I thought North Koreans were the only people who hated Americans, but turns out there are a lot of people hating this country in this country,” she stated.

It turns out that in North Korea children in school are taught to refer to Americans as "bastards", much like children today in the US are taught to think of white male Americans.

But Park is confounded as to how Americans can become so brainwashed in the US, especially since these students have access to the truth, as where in North Korea that information was not allowed to be given to them.

It's almost as if propagandists have discovered a way to allow the truth to be told, but demonize it all as fake news somehow, or radicalize people to the point of not wanting the truth.

It is interesting how the Left is so alike all around the world. They literally are one big unhappy family that is ready to plunge us all into oppressive tyranny, which will make the Dark Ages look like a picnic.

For example, I had no idea that the communists in North Korea were so into race theory themselves which explains why some people are naturally good and others naturally bad.

But like Hitler, all these people seem to be motivated by the same thinking.

 

[Votto]

Since Columbia University has decided that white male Europeans are evil, and even cancelled Columbus day at the university, why are they still called "Columbia" university?

That seems rather hypocritical to me.

I would think they should rename themselves Indigenous peoples university.

So what gives?

 

[danielpalos]

How unfortunate that the right-wing prefers false-witness bearing and the practice of the abomination of hypocrisy (unto God) over speech that is free from it.

 

[danielpalos]

Since Columbia University has decided that white male Europeans are evil, and even cancelled Columbus day at the university, why are they still called "Columbia" university?

That seems rather hypocritical to me.

I would think they should rename themselves Indigenous peoples university.

So what gives?

The (last of the) Mohicans University?

 

[Votto]

How unfortunate that the right-wing prefers false-witness bearing and the practice of the abomination of hypocrisy (unto God) over speech that is free from it.

Just remember, people are never to blame for anything, it's just genetics.

Either you are the right race and sex or you are just a bad person.

 

[NightFox]

Ms. Park complains about Americans criticizing their own state while at the same time unfavorably comparing it to a Nation where people get imprisoned, tortured and murdered FOR CRITICIZING THE STATE. She makes some points worthy of consideration relative to what is happening on SOME campuses of higher learning, however IMHO those are WAY overshadowed by statements such as “even North Korea wasn’t this nuts”, which is idiotic given that if she dared to express the opinions she expresses here in North Korea she’d at best end up in a concentration camp. Not to mention the fact that North Korea is a 24x7 brainwashing factory where there is no other side of the debate anywhere in the public sphere including in North Korean schools.

Sounds like she needs to spend a bit more time in North Korea and then come back and let us know what she thinks about “freedom”, I suspect an she’d gain an ENTIRELY different perspective from that experience.

 

[miketx]

She couldn't say any of that in NK.

 

[AntonToo]

It turns out that in North Korea children in school are taught to refer to Americans as "bastards", much like children today in the US are taught to think of white male Americans.

...No moron, it does not turn out.

This is just some silly hyperbole by some Korean idiot repeated and amplified by American rw politico idiots.

 

[evenflow1969]

Since Columbia University has decided that white male Europeans are evil, and even cancelled Columbus day at the university, why are they still called "Columbia" university?

That seems rather hypocritical to me.

I would think they should rename themselves Indigenous peoples university.

So what gives?

Lol, ya my grandchildren complain every day how the school call them bastards. Lol not. Just pure horse shit from your side. Ridiculous

 

[miketx]

Since Columbia University has decided that white male Europeans are evil, and even cancelled Columbus day at the university, why are they still called "Columbia" university?

That seems rather hypocritical to me.

I would think they should rename themselves Indigenous peoples university.

So what gives?

Lol, ya my grandchildren complain every day how the school call them bastards. Lol not. Just pure horse shit from your side. Ridiculous

Saw a video of a teacher calling a child a dick because he wasn't a faggot.

 

[danielpalos]

nude mix on YouTube comes up with plenty of material to help love women more.

 

[colfax_m]

Since Columbia University has decided that white male Europeans are evil, and even cancelled Columbus day at the university, why are they still called "Columbia" university?

That seems rather hypocritical to me.

I would think they should rename themselves Indigenous peoples university.

So what gives?

Sorta begging the question.

I mean, maybe you were lied to when people said that Columbia decided that "white male Europeans are evil".