Noem confuses a constitutional right with its abuse. Imagine my surprise.

[pknopp]

1. It's completely improper to cut and paste from somewhere else without acknowledging your source. Why do you not know this? We all know the Dementia Patient is a plagiarist. Why are you?

2. Of course there are limits on ALL rights. Good grief, who said there weren't? I can buy a gun, but I can't pull it out at business meeting and act threatening with it. We are a civilized nation, or used to be. Why do leftists always go to black and white thinking? Sometimes I think you're all 7 years old in your maturity stage.

3. What you are doing is trying to silence me. You're not going to but its your aim by plagiarizing and thinking you're making a point. Which you're not. Of course there are limits on rights, that doesn't mean they don't exist anymore. Guess what? There's also responsibilities attached to every right. And if you fail in your responsibilities, you lose your rights. Leftists never talk about responsibilities attached to rights. Back to the black and white thinking you just exhibited.

4. WE ALL NEED OUR RIGHTS. To say some people need rights more than others is simply ignorant of what rights are. Donald Trump needs his rights respected just as much as you need yours respected.

Again, good grief.

If Habeas Corpus is suspended then those protections no longer exist. A future president could even do the same to remove gun rights.

 

[struth]

If Habeas Corpus is suspended then those protections no longer exist. A future president could even do the same to remove gun rights.

No he couldn't, because no where in the Constitution does it say that a President can suspend the second amendment right

It does however talk about when the PRIVLEDGE of HC can be suspended.

....once again, you ignore reality and continue to lie, even after being educated on the topic...it's rather amazing, your willful, ignorance to learn.

 

[pknopp]

No he couldn't, because no where in the Constitution does it say that a President can suspend the second amendment right

He arrests you for being armed and you have no recourse without HC.

It does however talk about when the PRIVLEDGE of HC can be suspended.

....once again, you ignore reality and continue to lie, even after being educated on the topic...it's rather amazing, your willful, ignorance to learn.

Its NOT a priveledge. Its a Constitutional protection.

 

[struth]

He arrests you for being armed and you have no recourse without HC.




Its NOT a priveledge. Its a Constitutional protection.

1) of course I do, it's called a trial....moreover your hypo isn't a suspending the 2nd Amendment right, it's at least in my case, not illegal to be armed, so we go to trial...we have a preliminary hearing, the Govt has to show I violated a law, I also have bond hearings etc.

2) wrong, once again, the US Constitution specifically calls it a privledge, let me once again copy and paste the words for you:

Article I, Section 9, Clause 2:

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.


You continue not just to ignore the Constitution, but show your ignorance as to what the Writ itself even is.

 

[buckeye]

If Habeas Corpus is suspended then those protections no longer exist. A future president could even do the same to remove gun rights.

The HC privlege is not in the same category of a right.

But we do suspend rights when a person is guilty of crimes as rights come with responsibilities.

 

[pknopp]

1) of course I do, it's called a trial....moreover your hypo isn't a suspending the 2nd Amendment right, it's at least in my case, not illegal to be armed, so we go to trial...we have a preliminary hearing, the Govt has to show I violated a law, I also have bond hearings etc.

2) wrong, once again, the US Constitution specifically calls it a privledge, let me once again copy and paste the words for you:

Article I, Section 9, Clause 2:

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

People have already defined gun ownership in this way.

 

[pknopp]

The HC privlege is not in the same category of a right.

But we do suspend rights when a person is guilty of crimes as rights come with responsibilities.

Its NOT a priveledge. Its a Constitutional protection.

 

[Mashmont]

So tell us what made him more qualified, be specific. Give us a list of all these great qualifications.

Are you kidding? Try an iconic 50 year career in real estate which made him a multibillionaire. Tons of tough negotiating in there. The fact that you even ask that question tells me you don’t understand the idea of competence in leaders

 

[struth]

People have already defined gun ownership in this way.

How you define it isn’t relevant. The US Constitution is what matters

 

[pknopp]

How you define it isn’t relevant. The US Constitution is what matters

Its not me. Its how a future president defines it. And without HC you have no recourse.

 

[struth]

It’s not me. It’s how a future president defines it. And without HC you have no recourse.

A President can’t redefine constitutional rights. Courts do that, daily, and HC is not an issue. HC has nothing to do with it

Clueless as usual silly dembot

 

[JimH52]

What are you drinking?

As stupid as Noem...

 

[Lesh]

She's not lawyer
,

A MONKEY could get that right

 

[Lesh]

If you break the law to come in illegally circumventing all due process. You don’t fucking deserve any due process in being removed.

Wrong.

If you “break the law” and kill someone you still get due process

 

[Lesh]

He arrests you for being armed and you have no recourse without HC.




Its NOT a priveledge. Its a Constitutional protection.

That SHALL NOT BE SUSPENDED except under certain extreme circumstances

 

[Lesh]

Should HC be suspended… you have no protection from being arrested for anything. If the DOJ decided to arrest you for OWNING A GUN… you would have no recourse because you would be GONE.

Stuck in some prison cell with no hope of having your case adjudicated

 

[pknopp]

That SHALL NOT BE SUSPENDED except under certain extreme circumstances

Zealots will be the death of the country.

 

[MagicMike]

You think what you like. This is America, after all. But it sure doesn't make it much more than your opinion.

The Founders clearly called the RIGHT to bear arms a right and not a privilege. The SC was simply reinforcing what our Constitution says. That is their job, you know.

"Simply reinforcing what our constitution says?"
Ok. Like in 1973 when SCOTUS ruled that the constitution said that the choice to abort a pregnancy was every woman's constitutiinal right......but then decades later a different court took that right away?
See, that's what I mean about interpretation.
All of our "rights" are defined simply by how the current high court chooses to interpret the words of the constitution....and that changes depending upon the makeup of the court.
At present the court's position is that all rights to due process bestowed upon citizens are also afforded to non citizens.
That is why the High Court has ruled against Trump on the matter of Habeus Corpus for deportees.

 

[SeaMajor7]

The demented LEFT are still dancing to this narrative.

 

[Rawley]

A MONKEY could get that right

Nah. But a monkey could tell you what a woman is.