Noble Lies

[Antares]

36-They could have improved them to conform, dumbass insurer scumbag drone lol. Give me a Dem lie- ANYONE. Here's a Pub lie, repeated endlessly- ''Dems had total control his first 2 years'', or ''Obama's policies have ruined the economy for five years''- when Pubs have blocked EVERYTHING since 2/2010- jobs act, infrastructure bills etc etc- just phony scandals and crises- 0.6 growth cut every time...Pub dupes...a world joke and horror...

Do tell franco...what is the procedure for an insurer to get permission to sell a plan in any given state?

Those poor insurers, have no choice but to screw everyone possible, at great profit, of course...It can be done, according to everyone but scumbag insurers and Pubs, and their idiot dupes. Their reign of terror in health care is about over...

Answer the question franco, how do insurers go about getting permission to market a plan in any given State?

 

[The Rabbi]

politicians from both parties lie and lie more than they tell the truth.

The 2 party system is the problem.

People believe they actually have choice but then again the choice between death by hanging or death by lethal injection isn't really much of a choice either now is it?

ZThey all do it
Sept was a long time ago
At this point what difference does it make
BOOSH!

Standard responses of the Left when faced with criticism of Obama.

 

[Antares]

franco?

Answer the question please.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

You tell me- you're the double talking insurer scumbag dupe lol. All I need to know is that non Pub/dupe/insurer lying scumbags say it's possible. I want nothing to do with the dreary details fcs...

My goodness. I couldn't have come up with a post showing the left's ignorance any better if I had a team of writers working on it.

 

[Antares]

You tell me- you're the double talking insurer scumbag dupe lol. All I need to know is that non Pub/dupe/insurer lying scumbags say it's possible. I want nothing to do with the dreary details fcs...

And there it is, you want nothing to do with the facts, you want to pontificate and thump your chest.

You are quite the intellectual little man.

 

[Indeependent]

Do tell franco...what is the procedure for an insurer to get permission to sell a plan in any given state?

Those poor insurers, have no choice but to screw everyone possible, at great profit, of course...It can be done, according to everyone but scumbag insurers and Pubs, and their idiot dupes. Their reign of terror in health care is about over...

Answer the question franco, how do insurers go about getting permission to market a plan in any given State?

They pad the French Bank Accounts of the State legislators.
Was that so difficult?

 

[bripat9643]

Son, a tu quoque equivalency justifies neither side.

Do you understand that? Yes, the left lies all the time, but here on this Board, the far right lies even when it does not need to. We can't have those such folks representing the GOP

You lie more than anyone in this forum, Fakey. The above post is a typical example.

 

[bripat9643]

No Dems lie more. It started under Clinton and has accelerated. Obama lies so much it is really all he knows. To Dems, the ends justify the means. Lying has become standard operating procedure.

One word. Nixon.

Another word. Projection.

Nixon was an angel compared to Clinton and Obama.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Son, a tu quoque equivalency justifies neither side.

Do you understand that? Yes, the left lies all the time, but here on this Board, the far right lies even when it does not need to. We can't have those such folks representing the GOP

You lie more than anyone in this forum, Fakey. The above post is a typical example.

Weird anarchist drone alert. We don't care what anarchists think or say, because they do not believe in our constitutional Republic. You certainly don't.

 

[francoHFW]

You tell me- you're the double talking insurer scumbag dupe lol. All I need to know is that non Pub/dupe/insurer lying scumbags say it's possible. I want nothing to do with the dreary details fcs...

And there it is, you want nothing to do with the facts, you want to pontificate and thump your chest.

You are quite the intellectual little man.

BS, DINGBAT LOL. I DON'T NEED to know the gruesome details of insurance in the past, just that it's possible now, Pub dupe/drone of scumbag health insurance industry lol. Masters in history- you...

 

[Missouri_Mike]

You tell me- you're the double talking insurer scumbag dupe lol. All I need to know is that non Pub/dupe/insurer lying scumbags say it's possible. I want nothing to do with the dreary details fcs...

And there it is, you want nothing to do with the facts, you want to pontificate and thump your chest.

You are quite the intellectual little man.

BS, DINGBAT LOL. I DON'T NEED to know the gruesome details of insurance in the past, just that it's possible now, Pub dupe/drone of scumbag health insurance industry lol. Masters in history- you...

I think that's the entire point you moron. You don't care to understand the facts or the economic impact of a system it's all about your feel good fantasies.

 

[Edgetho]

franco is telling the truth in that "Insurers cancelled them, not ACA- they could have just changed them," and Two Thumbs again is lying through his butt.

That proves your utter stupidity.

Tell us, fakey. What is involved in changing an Insurance Policy's coverages, exclusions, terms and conditions, etc?

Tell us?

Are you that stupid? The answer is, "Yes", fakey is the stupidest fuck on the Board. And that is saying something.

For another thing -- STUPID..... Who do you think is underwriting the Policies on the exchange.... The Tooth Fairy?

You really are a stupid, stupid bitch.

 

[Kosh]

The far left lies all the time and they think is noble.

 

[francoHFW]

Ty, brainwashed ignorami- lol. Pub and insurer rip offs in health care end now... Is that too complicated for you...

 

[Antares]

You tell me- you're the double talking insurer scumbag dupe lol. All I need to know is that non Pub/dupe/insurer lying scumbags say it's possible. I want nothing to do with the dreary details fcs...

And there it is, you want nothing to do with the facts, you want to pontificate and thump your chest.

You are quite the intellectual little man.

BS, DINGBAT LOL. I DON'T NEED to know the gruesome details of insurance in the past, just that it's possible now, Pub dupe/drone of scumbag health insurance industry lol. Masters in history- you...

Poor franco....you are the picture of the Democrat Voter, ill educated and vile.

 

[francoHFW]

I have a Masters in History, speak 3 languages, and am not a bought off, brainwashed insurance drone...lol. I am not vile, hater dupe, and doubt you are, except you are totally misinformed, like all GOP voters except the greedy, mega rich, idiotic a-holes that run your party- and probably the marketing ''geniuses'' that run your corporation...

 

[bripat9643]

Son, a tu quoque equivalency justifies neither side.

Do you understand that? Yes, the left lies all the time, but here on this Board, the far right lies even when it does not need to. We can't have those such folks representing the GOP

You lie more than anyone in this forum, Fakey. The above post is a typical example.

Weird anarchist drone alert. We don't care what anarchists think or say, because they do not believe in our constitutional Republic. You certainly don't.

Isn't the phrase "anarchist drone" an oxymoron? "Fakey's brain" is also an oxymoron.

You're a communist, Fakey. Remember when you were lauding the healthcare system of Cuba? Remember when you posted Cuban propaganda to the forum?

 

[Antares]

I have a Masters in History, speak 3 languages, and am not a bought off, brainwashed insurance drone...lol. I am not vile, hater dupe, and doubt you are, except you are totally misinformed, like all GOP voters except the greedy, mega rich, idiotic a-holes that run your party- and probably the marketing ''geniuses'' that run your corporation...

Bullshit, nothing you type speaks of an education. You know nothing of how the industry works or of the legalities involved. You support Obama ruling by fiat and a wave of his hand.....you indeed are ill educated.

 

[Darkwind]

Son, a tu quoque equivalency justifies neither side.

Do you understand that? Yes, the left lies all the time, but here on this Board, the far right lies even when it does not need to. We can't have those such folks representing the GOP

When does one need to lie?

Let me help you out here

Never.

"Does this make me look fat?"



"No not at all, you look great!"

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Are they okay? Do you think it's okay to lie..... To your own people to accomplish what you consider to be a 'Noble Cause'?

I don't. I don't believe most people of my political persuasion do.

But it would seem one side of the political specttrum does. They have to. They do it so much, there can be no other explanation.

The Left's Lies on Obamacare and Everything Else
Ace of Spades HQ

Charles C. W. Cooke has a good column on the left confessing its lies about Obamacare... now that it's too late for the public to make an informed decision, prospectively, on the law.

It is easier, they say, and "they" are always right, to beg forgiveness afterwards than to secure permission beforehand.

Accusing its opponents of lying has been the Left’s modus operandi since the first shots of the health-care debate were fired. Insofar as there was any at all, the ostensible theory was that, unable to muster any serious criticisms, almost certainly motivated by money and by racism, and tainted forever for having supposedly endorsed the scheme in the 1990s, conservatives were reduced to fabrications and to hyperbole — in other words, into scaring the public by telling them things that weren’t true. In the meantime, the law’s architects tripped over themselves to bend the truth — but that was fine because they were spreading “noble lies,” as the perpetually melting-down Brian Beutler now terms these tales.

Among the alleged falsehoods on which conservative opposition relied were that the scheme was effectively a “takeover” that would leave the president with capricious control over the nation’s health-care system; that insurance premiums would inevitably increase for some; that the president’s oft-repeated promise that all Americans could keep their health care if they liked it was obviously untrue; and that government was almost certainly unsuited to run a project of this magnitude and importance. Also claimed to be mendacious was the Right’s characterization of the measure as a severe departure from the status quo. Thus were we treated to a standard by which Joe Biden was able to call passage a “big f***ing deal” and the president was allowed to boast about his newest place in history with nary a squeak, but Republicans doing the same thing were accused of blowing a “moderate” and “modest” proposal out of all proportion.

I've noticed this in a different context, recently-- these "noble lies" the left tells.

The Left believes in many things that the majority of society does not. They believe, for example, that Socialism is an ideal to be aspired to. But rather than admit this, and make a case forthrightly for Socialism, they (and here I include their zealous advocates of the media) simply deny that any move towards Socialism is Socialism at all.

In the case of Obamacare, the Right was correct, and true: Obamacare was a massive cost-shifting, wealth-redistributing scheme. And also effectively a "government takeover" of health care.

The Left believes these things are good. They do not think it's fair that a healthy person purchasing insurance before he gets sick should pay less than an unhealthy person who delays its purchase until after he has been stricken. And they do not like how the free market operates in the health insurance market -- or, actually, how it operates in any market at all. They are foursquare in favor of government takeovers of not just the health insurance industry but practically any industry.

Oh, they would not call it this. They would call it a "Government-Business Partnership," or some such rot.

But the point stands: They are in favor of these things, but rather than honestly state their beliefs and press for the rightness of them, they instead lie at practically every turn and simply say "We do not believe that" and "We do not wish that" or "That is not what you claim it is."

This is why no genuine discussion can be had with them. They lie at virtually every turn. One can hardly argue with a man that what he believes is false if he automatically gainsays believing in it at all.

Obama did not go to church this Christmas. I do not believe that is a moral flaw -- I did not go to church this Christmas either, and neither did a majority (or near-majority) of my family and friends.

Even the New York Times bothered to notice:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/29/u...uals-of-faith-stay-on-the-sidelines.html?_r=0

President Obama celebrated a low-key Christmas in Hawaii this year. He sang carols, opened presents with his family, and visited a nearby military base to wish the troops “Mele Kalikimaka” — the Hawaiian phrase meaning “Merry Christmas.” But the one thing the president and his family did not do — something they have rarely done since he entered the White House — was attend Christmas church services.

“He has not gone to church hardly at all, as president,” said Gary Scott Smith, the author of “Faith and the Presidency: From George Washington to George W. Bush,” adding that it is “very unusual for a president not to attend” Christmas services.

Historically, watching the nation’s first family head to church dressed in their Sunday best, especially around the holiday season, was something of a ritual. Yet Mr. Obama’s faith is a more complicated, more private, and perhaps — religious and presidential historians say — a more inclusive affair.

By "more inclusive," the New York Times intends to mean that he doesn't upset any religious minority by observing any religion at all. Atheism is essentially re-cast as an ecumenical faith.

The left reacted to this reportage with its typical outrage -- "How dare you suggest that Obama is anything less that utterly pious!"

Obama is not pious. Neither are most of the left. The left is broadly in favor of atheism and broadly hostile to faith (particularly the Christian faith). But again, rather than making an honest argument in favor of atheism, or "free-thinking," as it was earlier called, they instead simply deny that they are atheist at all.

Or, I should say, various unimportant members of the left will state their own atheism while denying that Obama shares their lack of faith.

Because he's the one who's important. He's the one they have to lie about.

But is it really beyond the pale, at this point, to note that Obama is not Christian and not religious? He is Christian in the sense that I am Christian-- that's the religion of my birth.

But I do not practice it and do not believe in it.

Exactly like Barack Obama doesn't practice it and seems not to believe in it. And yet I wouldn't get huffy! if someone dared to suggest I'm not really a Christian. Spoiler alert: I'm really not.

It's only the Right that's called out for suggesting that Obama is anything other than what he half-heartedly poses as being. For example, when Expert on All Things Atheist Richard Dawkins proclaims, proudly and in a complimentary fashion, that he is "sure" Obama is an atheist, the left doesn't react with anger and shouting.

Neither does the left squawk when Bill Maher predicts that Obama will announce himself as an atheist. (For the 2012 elections -- Um, no. But he may do so as he's preparing to leave office.)

They don't scream about these statements for three reasons:

1, because they know they're probably true,

and 2, because they're said in a "nice way," just as it's okay for Obama to champion Obamacare as a historic, paradigm-shifting law, but if the Right decries it as transformative, they mean that in a "bad way," and so they're dirty liars,

and 3, because Dawkins and Maher are largely speaking among their friends on the Left. Just as Yasser Arafat could say things in Arabic that he wouldn't say in English, so too can the left freely discuss (and praise!) Obama's Enlightened Atheism among themselves. It's only when the idea threatens to get out to the Great Unwashed Religious Hinterlands that the screams of "Liar!" begin.

The left is fundamentally dishonorable. An honorable man tells you what he believes and is prepared to defend those beliefs fairly and candidly.

The Left never does. They speak in "Noble Lies," and have done so forever. Obama is not interested in spreading the wealth around despite telling Joe the Plumber he intends to "spread the wealth around." Obama is not a Socialist, despite having been a member of the Socialist New Party, and despite having a Socialist agenda (at least a soft socialism, which is the most the Overton window currently permits).

And Obama is a believing Christian, despite routinely failing to offer an Easter message or attend church on Christmas.

It would be better for America if the Left stopped speaking forever in "Noble Lies" and occasionally ventured a Noble Truth or two.

Edge:

It seems to me that when one side thinks it's okay to lie, we have lost our way.

And here's the sad truth..... Without their millions of ardent defenders, not only defending them but lying for them as well, they couldn't get away with it.

It's time to wake up people. It's time to open your eye and stop pretending.

Open your eye? LOL!!!!

You are such a drama queen. Don't you get enough attention at home?