healthmyths
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Exactly what is a "heathy" economy?
No President has a good second term, so why do you think Trump will?
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Hmmm, I think I've heard you say that before about TRUMP! and other Republican presidents, yet I don't see that happening. How long do you think it will take before it does? I still see people supporting W, for instance, even after all this time.
RetiredGySgt
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I voted for Bush both times and never regretted it.
According to him, you should have been pretending years ago that you didn't. He trots this out every time a Republican wins.
DGS49
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What is certain is that the MSM will downplay every success and criticize every significant initiative until the day he leaves office. The verdict on his Presidency will be the 2026 mid-terms, followed by whether a Democrat wins in 2028.
CrusaderFrank
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No, his mistake was taking RINOS and Establishment traitors the first term
Note the term "professionals". democrats like dog whistles and claim Republicans talk in code all the time so they can plug in whatever they want instead of what was actually said. Let's do that here and substitute "deep state".
JoeB131
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First, Reagan was a career politician as much as any of them.
Trump only became a Republican because you idiots are easier to fool.
The Career Bureaucrats were the people who kept his first term from being an even bigger shit show.
Both parties ran candidates who were too old, but only the Democrats admitted it.
The Swamp isn't the problem. The problem is an electorate that wants government to do all this shit for them and doesn't want to pay for it.
Cool story bro. Needs more dragons.
I call BS. democrats insisted QPJ was as sharp as ever, on top of his game, ready to handle another 4 years, etc. until the debate made his decline so painfully obvious that they couldn't pretend it didn't exist anymore.
The Swamp exists to protect itself and keep access to the real power. It certainly should be drained periodically. As for the electorate, we're following the same path every dominant culture follows.
Where are the prominent democrats telling us, dingleberry, that Quid Pro Joe's mind was not up to the task of being the president for another 4 months, let alone another 4 years? And they have to be from BEFORE the debate.
He certainly is more fit than QPJ was, and as we saw in the campaign, Cackles as well. She was less effective without a prompter than Obama was.
He isn’t a back to back president your OP logic doesn’t apply
JoeB131
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Actually, it does, because the only non-consecutive president (Grover Cleveland) had the exact same problem. His Second Term was a fucking disaster. So much so that Republicans held the White House for 16 years after his benighted second term.
"A Good Man is Hard to Take: Grover Cleveland – Man of Destiny"
Visit President Rutherford B. Hayes' wooded estate named Spiegel Grove, home of America's first presidential library. Tour the president's 31-room Victorian mansion, see his tomb, visit the newly renovated museum, explore the library and walk the mile of paved trails.
www.rbhayes.org
Cleveland had been the lamest of lame ducks for more than two years. As he himself admitted, there was not a single senator he could talk to in confidence. Prominent Democratic leaders had told him to his face that they would never step through the White House door again. The president stopped holding parties; so few of Washington’s elite would accept an invitation. Even people asking favors had stopped writing him letters -- always a terrible sign. “But really, kicking the administration nowadays is considered almost as bad form as defiling a grave,” John Hay wrote. “You have never seen anything so dead…. Your fat friend has never a soul to say a good word for him, except sometimes Gray in the Senate and Wilson in the House, and if they grow too strong in his praise, both sides of the House burst out in derisive laughter.” As for policy, the president was hemmed in by a Congress so overwhelmingly Republican that he might as well not have bothered to send in his annual message. In the off-year elections, just about every House seat from Bangor to San Francisco Bay had been lost. The former Speaker’s prediction that Democratic congressmen would die in trenches, until they ran out of trenches, had been more than fulfilled -- and Grover Cleveland got much of the blame. “The administration has never lost a chance of blundering and betraying the interests of the country,” a Republican wrote. “Cleveland does not seem to have a friend in the world.”
Not even in his own party, it seemed. From other Democrats came the choicest invective. The outgoing president seemed to inspire it. “I hate the very ground that man walks on,” Alabama’s senior senator growled. South Carolina’s governor Ben Tillman promised constituents that when he became senator, he would stick a pitchfork in “that fat bag of beef in the White House,” and “Pitchfork Ben” he would be known as, the rest of his days. “That unspeakable Mugwump and oleaginous mystery,” a New Yorker snarled. “I don’t know what Mr. Cleveland is doing in your state,” a leading Virginia politician wrote a friend, ”but he has done more to disintegrate the Democracy of Virginia than any hundred men have done since the war.” The worst insult another critic could make of a Louisville editor was to pronounce him “as dead as Cleveland and [smelling] worse, if that be possible.” Comparing him to the party’s standard-bearer in 1896, young William Jennings Bryan, was, to one western Democrat, like comparing “an intellectual thunderbolt” to “a keg of sour beer.” “Cleveland thinks from the standpoint of the plutocrat,” he wrote, “Bryan from that of the people. The first was an old libertine wallowing around with disreputable widows; the last is the Sir Galahad of American politics.”
IOW, refusing to acknowledge his cognitive decline.
President Vance, baby. Face it, the only way Cackles was ever going to be president was if QPJ left office prematurely.
Didn’t read your post other than you only have one other pt of reference. Simply not enough data.Actually, it does, because the only non-consecutive president (Grover Cleveland) had the exact same problem. His Second Term was a fucking disaster. So much so that Republicans held the White House for 16 years after his benighted second term.
"A Good Man is Hard to Take: Grover Cleveland – Man of Destiny"
Visit President Rutherford B. Hayes' wooded estate named Spiegel Grove, home of America's first presidential library. Tour the president's 31-room Victorian mansion, see his tomb, visit the newly renovated museum, explore the library and walk the mile of paved trails.
Cleveland had been the lamest of lame ducks for more than two years. As he himself admitted, there was not a single senator he could talk to in confidence. Prominent Democratic leaders had told him to his face that they would never step through the White House door again. The president stopped holding parties; so few of Washington’s elite would accept an invitation. Even people asking favors had stopped writing him letters -- always a terrible sign. “But really, kicking the administration nowadays is considered almost as bad form as defiling a grave,” John Hay wrote. “You have never seen anything so dead…. Your fat friend has never a soul to say a good word for him, except sometimes Gray in the Senate and Wilson in the House, and if they grow too strong in his praise, both sides of the House burst out in derisive laughter.” As for policy, the president was hemmed in by a Congress so overwhelmingly Republican that he might as well not have bothered to send in his annual message. In the off-year elections, just about every House seat from Bangor to San Francisco Bay had been lost. The former Speaker’s prediction that Democratic congressmen would die in trenches, until they ran out of trenches, had been more than fulfilled -- and Grover Cleveland got much of the blame. “The administration has never lost a chance of blundering and betraying the interests of the country,” a Republican wrote. “Cleveland does not seem to have a friend in the world.”
Not even in his own party, it seemed. From other Democrats came the choicest invective. The outgoing president seemed to inspire it. “I hate the very ground that man walks on,” Alabama’s senior senator growled. South Carolina’s governor Ben Tillman promised constituents that when he became senator, he would stick a pitchfork in “that fat bag of beef in the White House,” and “Pitchfork Ben” he would be known as, the rest of his days. “That unspeakable Mugwump and oleaginous mystery,” a New Yorker snarled. “I don’t know what Mr. Cleveland is doing in your state,” a leading Virginia politician wrote a friend, ”but he has done more to disintegrate the Democracy of Virginia than any hundred men have done since the war.” The worst insult another critic could make of a Louisville editor was to pronounce him “as dead as Cleveland and [smelling] worse, if that be possible.” Comparing him to the party’s standard-bearer in 1896, young William Jennings Bryan, was, to one western Democrat, like comparing “an intellectual thunderbolt” to “a keg of sour beer.” “Cleveland thinks from the standpoint of the plutocrat,” he wrote, “Bryan from that of the people. The first was an old libertine wallowing around with disreputable widows; the last is the Sir Galahad of American politics.”
FDR had four. Using your beliefs, he had 3 failed ones in a row. You might want to pull back a little on your absolute certainty here.
It’s technically a first term since he is following awful Biden/Harris. You only have one other reference pt from a completely different time period.
And is ignoring the king of multiple terms, FDR.
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