No President has a good second term, so why do you think Trump will?

[eagle7-31]

So, without getting into policy or politics, the reality is that Presidents never have good second terms. There are reasons for this. While in a first term, a President will try to burnish his credibility by appointing Senators and Governors to key posts, in a second term, he's more likely to appoint loyalists who are less likely to say, "I wouldn't do that if I were you." They are more likely to have scandals.

Let's review recent history, shall we?

Obama - Lost the Senate in the midterms. Mired in the IRS fake scandal.
Dubya Bush- Iraq war went south, Katrina, and the economic crash of 2008.
Clinton- Monica Lewinsky
Reagan - Iran Contra, the 1987 Stock market crash
Nixon- Watergate
Johnson - Vietnam, Race Riots, Civil unrest

Obama lost the senate in his first term in 2010. good points on your other examples. but what we are dealing with here is a split term, not consecutive as your examples show. That may be a difference. Time will tell.

 

[JoeB131]

Obama lost the senate in his first term in 2010. good points on your other examples. but what we are dealing with here is a split term, not consecutive as your examples show. That may be a difference. Time will tell.

No, he didn't lose the senate in 2010. He lost the House. He lost the Senate in 2014.

The only example of a non-consecutive term was Grover Cleveland, and his second term was such a disaster the Democrats didn't get back into the White House for 16 years. And even then, it was only because Teddy Roosevelt and Taft split the party.

 

[eagle7-31]

No, he didn't lose the senate in 2010. He lost the House. He lost the Senate in 2014.

The only example of a non-consecutive term was Grover Cleveland, and his second term was such a disaster the Democrats didn't get back into the White House for 16 years. And even then, it was only because Teddy Roosevelt and Taft split the party.

I do stand corrected on the 2010 senate. However making a Presidential comparison on a split term 100 plus years apart is a reach. Agree about 1912 GOP split. That gave us Woodrow Wilson and the country has been going downhill since with some exceptions.

 

[JoeB131]

I do stand corrected on the 2010 senate. However making a Presidential comparison on a split term 100 plus years apart is a reach. Agree about 1912 GOP split. That gave us Woodrow Wilson and the country has been going downhill since with some exceptions.

Not really.

The country started going uphill with FDR and continued on an uphill climb until LBJ. Then you stupid fucks started voting Republican because you hate the blacks and the gays and that uppity woman talking back to you.

And we've been on a decline ever since.

 

[eagle7-31]

Not really.

The country started going uphill with FDR and continued on an uphill climb until LBJ. Then you stupid fucks started voting Republican because you hate the blacks and the gays and that uppity woman talking back to you.

And we've been on a decline ever since.

Spin from the hard left.

 

[JoeB131]

Spin from the hard left.

Um... no, historical fact.

In 1970, the Middle class held 62% of the wealth in this country, while the upper class held 29%. The wealth was reasonably distributed based on progressive taxation and a vibrant unionization level, all brought to you by Democrats.

Today- the Middle has shrunk to 42% and the upper income has grown to 50%. This is simply the numbers going in the wrong direction.

 

[eagle7-31]

Not really.

The country started going uphill with FDR and continued on an uphill climb until LBJ. Then you stupid fucks started voting Republican because you hate the blacks and the gays and that uppity woman talking back to you.

And we've been on a decline ever since.

Hate blacks? You are full of useless hot air. Ever hear of Tim Scott, John James, Byron Donald? If conservatives hated blacks we would not support any at all. So its not skin tone genius its ideology. I support conservative blacks, Hispanics, gays, women. men etc. oppose liberals no matter the skin tone or gender.

 

[hadit]

Well, he doesn't have a supermajority.

But, yes, I expect him to crater the economy in two years.

Democrats have shown us the way. Every bit of negative economic news for the next 4 years will be blamed on the legacy of Quid Pro and Cackles (terrible name for a rock band). It will be as if the election never happened, and they are still in charge. Good economic news, however, will be credited immediately to TRUMP! himself. Thus, hath the democrats spoken; thus, it shall be.

 

[hadit]

Um... no, historical fact.

In 1970, the Middle class held 62% of the wealth in this country, while the upper class held 29%. The wealth was reasonably distributed based on progressive taxation and a vibrant unionization level, all brought to you by Democrats.

Today- the Middle has shrunk to 42% and the upper income has grown to 50%. This is simply the numbers going in the wrong direction.

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You seem to forget the extremely catastrophic events that happened 25-30 years before 1970 that left the US the world's manufacturing superpower, able to charge whatever prices they wanted to because there were no other places to get manufactured goods. Those days were doomed to be over as soon as the rest of the world caught up, and indeed, were.

 

[JoeB131]

Hate blacks? You are full of useless hot air. Ever hear of Tim Scott, John James, Byron Donald? If conservatives hated blacks we would not support any at all. So its not skin tone genius its ideology. I support conservative blacks, Hispanics, gays, women. men etc. oppose liberals no matter the skin tone or gender.

So you throw up a few self-loathing Uncle Toms and you think that gets you over on your racist attitudes?

Hey, how did the "Black Porn Nazi" do in North Carolina again?

 

[eagle7-31]

So you throw up a few self-loathing Uncle Toms and you think that gets you over on your racist attitudes?

Hey, how did the "Black Porn Nazi" do in North Carolina again?

Typical looney left useless hyperbole response. As for Robinson he had be Lt. Gov before and nothing ever came out until gee just in time for the 2024 general election Heard he is suing over that business. Do you can't handle blacks with opinions other than your own. LOL

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So, without getting into policy or politics, the reality is that Presidents never have good second terms. There are reasons for this. While in a first term, a President will try to burnish his credibility by appointing Senators and Governors to key posts, in a second term, he's more likely to appoint loyalists who are less likely to say, "I wouldn't do that if I were you." They are more likely to have scandals.

Let's review recent history, shall we?

Obama - Lost the Senate in the midterms. Mired in the IRS fake scandal.
Dubya Bush- Iraq war went south, Katrina, and the economic crash of 2008.
Clinton- Monica Lewinsky
Reagan - Iran Contra, the 1987 Stock market crash
Nixon- Watergate
Johnson - Vietnam, Race Riots, Civil unrest

Monica Lewinsky did what? How did that ruin his 2nd terms?

 

[JoeB131]

Typical looney left useless hyperbole response. As for Robinson he had be Lt. Gov before and nothing ever came out until gee just in time for the 2024 general election Heard he is suing over that business. Do you can't handle blacks with opinions other than your own. LOL

I have no problem with people with opinions other than my own.

The problem with most of your Repubican Uncle Toms is that they come from the "Those other black people sure be shiftless" thread.

I'd be more impressed with them if they spent more time in front of black audiences trying to persuade them than in front of white audiences telling them what they want to hear.

Take Candace Owens... was someone who spoke to white audiences until she offended the Zionists, and then she went to oblivion. Hopefully, she'll say hi to Michelle Malkin while she's there.

 

[JoeB131]

Monica Lewinsky did what? How did that ruin his 2nd terms?

You're kidding, right? Clinton's second term was completely consumed by the Lewinsky Scandal.

It's pretty much what he's most remembered for.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Except nothing he proposes is going to fix the problem of immigration.

Walls and deportations don't work. We've been trying that shit for 30 years, and if anything, we've made it worse.

The only precedent we have for non-consecutive terms is Grover Cleveland. His second term was such a fucking disaster the Democrats didn't get back into the White House for another 16 years, and only then because the Republicans fought among themselves.

50.3% against a substitute opponent is not a mandate. It was more like a resignation.

Wall
Deportations
Stay in Mexico
Punish employers who hire illegals
End Sanctuary cities

You want one party rule. You got it. Just not your party.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You're kidding, right? Clinton's second term was completely consumed by the Lewinsky Scandal.

It's pretty much what he's most remembered for.

It was? I was 12 but I remember him for the Internet versus ML.

 

[JoeB131]

Wall
Deportations
Stay in Mexico
Punish employers who hire illegals
End Sanctuary cities

You want one party rule. You got it. Just not your party

Okay'

Walls can be pretty easily beaten.
Deporting people means they just come back.
Trump isn't going to punish the white people who hire illegals. He could probably start with himself if he wanted to do that.
Sanctuary Cities can't be ended unless the people who live there want to.

Trump has two years before the Democrats retake the House and Senate. Think 2006 on steroids.

It was? I was 12 but I remember him for the Internet versus ML

Well, that explains why you come off as so immature.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So, without getting into policy or politics, the reality is that Presidents never have good second terms. There are reasons for this. While in a first term, a President will try to burnish his credibility by appointing Senators and Governors to key posts, in a second term, he's more likely to appoint loyalists who are less likely to say, "I wouldn't do that if I were you." They are more likely to have scandals.

Let's review recent history, shall we?

Obama - Lost the Senate in the midterms. Mired in the IRS fake scandal.
Dubya Bush- Iraq war went south, Katrina, and the economic crash of 2008.
Clinton- Monica Lewinsky
Reagan - Iran Contra, the 1987 Stock market crash
Nixon- Watergate
Johnson - Vietnam, Race Riots, Civil unrest

Trump had a disastrous first term, the second will be worse.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Okay'

Walls can be pretty easily beaten.
Deporting people means they just come back.
Trump isn't going to punish the white people who hire illegals. He could probably start with himself if he wanted to do that.
Sanctuary Cities can't be ended unless the people who live there want to.

Trump has two years before the Democrats retake the House and Senate. Think 2006 on steroids.



Well, that explains why you come off as so immature.

1) All that stuff does work. It worked til Biden rescinded it.

2) States with sanctuary cities won’t get Fed funding. Let’s see how they fare

3) You knew me when I was 12? LOL

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Trump had a disastrous first term, the second will be worse.

Voters disagree. Cry more. Your side lost badly.