No one white today owned slaves but most whites today benefitted from the 100 years after slavery.

[Moonglow]

It's true. But what about the progress made in the 1970s. You can't deny the 70s were better for blacks than the 60s, right?

Ok now think about the 80s, 90s and 17 years into the next century. Are you ever gonna stop whining?

Most poor people are trapped in generational poverty. We need the people in the poor communities to strive to get out. To break the cycle. To stop talking eubonics. Stop having kids you can't afford and raise the kids you have.

My grandparents got out of Greece and worked shitty jobs so that we could have a better life. Why can't black people leave the hood? Get out!

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You apparently have not read the statistical data pertaining to economic factors between blacks and whites. In relation to whites blacks are still unemployed at rates we were in the 60's. Poverty is still the same relative to whites as it was in the 60's. Income compared to whites is the same as it was in the 60's.

And it's not because we choose to be poor. DEMOS did a study and it shows that it is PUBLIC POICY that has created The problem Today 17 years into the next century whites have 15 times the wealth of blacks. SO then maybe you need to go look at the facts.

Your opinion on this matter is not enough. When you don't know information you need to shut the **** up.

I know all the things you are saying are true. I've been arguing your arguments for years my brotha. At this point though, enough is enough. Don't expect help but that doesn't mean you can't get out of poverty.

I know you don't want to hear personal opinion but getting out of poverty is very much personal for every person in poverty. You can't tell them do A B & C and you will be out of poverty because everyone is different. So, I would need to hear your personal situation in order to tell you how to overcome the obstacles you seem to think are insurmountable. Trust me, they aren't. But I would be happy to hear any story about any person in America where you think it is impossible for them to get out. I have one that's a toughy. Lets say gramma was on welfare and her kids are all on welfare and so they aren't very good parents. What can we do to help the kids of these people who are in generational poverty? What can we do to help that little kid from now repeating the mistakes her mom and gramma made? There is NOTHING us white people can do for her if they don't change something they keep doing wrong. We can throw all the money and jobs their way. We can give each kid in her inner city school each $5000 more a year. Free tutors. Free 2 year college. Do you think this would break the cycle? What I'm trying to say is nothing whites do will help if black people in poverty don't start changing their behavior.

I love this example. I hear in England black people like to talk like Jaimacians. That's their version of Eubonics. So that tells me black people chose to talk and dress and act the way they do. I know it's because America is a racist nation but trust me, any black run nation you go to is going to be racist towards whites too. The secret is to fit in. Find your nitch. If you want the truth, America is unfair to any of us who aren't rich. I've been poor. It's much better to be middle class. That doesn't mean America is racist to poor blacks. It means it's unfair to all poor people.. I know things suck just a little, sometimes a lot more for blacks, but you people have to get over it and now. No one gives a ****. Do you see all these Republicans winning elections? That's because white America is sick of your excuses. It's impossible to help the black community in the current state it is in. Black people need to change from within. Trust me, there are lots of jobs outside of the hood. It's not so scary outside the hood. You can make it if you come out of the hood. You will have to work hard and leave the ghetto behind you though. Don't bring that ghetto mentality with you. Many of you do and you don't last very long. You think everyone hates you because you are black but that's not true. It's because you are ghetto. AKA black trash. If you were white we would call you white trash.

Look son, there is lot I can say to this ignorance you are posting. So I am going to tell you this. You have an opinion, but your opinion Is no good here. I am a man with masters degree in sociology. I have studied the issues pertaining to the black community for over 30 years. I helped form an organization that won awards for the programs we implemented in the black community that helped reduce problems. I know what the root cause of the problem is and the solutions that are necessary for things to be levelled off. I am not the only one. I am sure Essen knows just as well. You don't. You are here in a gun fight with your hands tied behind your back facing a man with a loaded gun. Shut up before I make an example out of you.

Look... I am really sorry for what happened to your ancestors, but I had nothing to do with it. In fact, several of my ancestors fought in Lincoln 's War to end slavery. Can I get a thank you?

Since we aren't talking about slavery and your ancestors did not fight end slavery, I can ask don't you have better things t do in your life than troll; treads about race?

Are you that much of a loser?

You sound like a black fellow that needs a bowl of grits for that grumpy early morning feeling..

 

[IM2]

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But the problem with what you say is that my life is just fine. When did your grandparents get here?

Now you are just going to face the fact. The root cause of the problems blacks face stem from white racism.

But....you just said your life is just fine. So...?

My life is fine. But life is about more than me. And as I have been blessed I am even more required to stand up for those who do not have what I do. Your little selfish belief of we are individuals crap is for the birds. My life being fine doesn't end .white racism. I came from a poor black community destroyed because of racist policies. I refuse to forget were I came from and to stop trying to fight for those in that and other similar communities

My life does not have to be a failure because I oppose mother ******* white racism. Stop cosigning that stupid shit if you are not a racist, and stop cosigning this stupid shit period..

If you are black and not a failure, why can't all other blacks, or any other race, be successful too?

Well you see in the state of psychosis whites like you live in, the ability to understand just how much you have been helped escapes you. Fortunately there are also whites who are not so null and void.

It is so funny that you think only YOU are right, how dare anyone disagree LOL. I am not in a state of psychosis. The only help I received was my own ability to know I can be whatever I chose to be if I work hard for it. I do not take handouts, I work hard, always have. If ANYONE today choses to succeed, they can, if they work hard. Using the past as a crutch to excuse people from succeeding is so pitiful.

You are in a state of psychosis. What YOU don't do is irrelevant. Racist laws and policies were not made that excluded YOU from being white and having opportunities others could not get based upon YOU as as an individual. .You have no argument here. Your opinion is no good. You are part of the demographic that has benefitted the most from Affirmative Action. You don't know if you have been given a chance because of affirmative action or not. Because It's illegal for a employer to tell you that. So then you don't seem to understand the impact of laws and policies and how they help you. Unit you do, stop trying to argue based upon the I did this or I did that line. I worked harder than you ever did. I got a masters degree and have worked for 32 years researching issues surrounding race and racism. I do know what I am talking about here. I have loads of policies and evidence showing that I am right, You don't. All you have is your belief. and the same canned stupid response white racists make in regards to this issue and that is not going to be enough in this discussion.

 

[IM2]

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You apparently have not read the statistical data pertaining to economic factors between blacks and whites. In relation to whites blacks are still unemployed at rates we were in the 60's. Poverty is still the same relative to whites as it was in the 60's. Income compared to whites is the same as it was in the 60's.

And it's not because we choose to be poor. DEMOS did a study and it shows that it is PUBLIC POICY that has created The problem Today 17 years into the next century whites have 15 times the wealth of blacks. SO then maybe you need to go look at the facts.

Your opinion on this matter is not enough. When you don't know information you need to shut the **** up.

I know all the things you are saying are true. I've been arguing your arguments for years my brotha. At this point though, enough is enough. Don't expect help but that doesn't mean you can't get out of poverty.

I know you don't want to hear personal opinion but getting out of poverty is very much personal for every person in poverty. You can't tell them do A B & C and you will be out of poverty because everyone is different. So, I would need to hear your personal situation in order to tell you how to overcome the obstacles you seem to think are insurmountable. Trust me, they aren't. But I would be happy to hear any story about any person in America where you think it is impossible for them to get out. I have one that's a toughy. Lets say gramma was on welfare and her kids are all on welfare and so they aren't very good parents. What can we do to help the kids of these people who are in generational poverty? What can we do to help that little kid from now repeating the mistakes her mom and gramma made? There is NOTHING us white people can do for her if they don't change something they keep doing wrong. We can throw all the money and jobs their way. We can give each kid in her inner city school each $5000 more a year. Free tutors. Free 2 year college. Do you think this would break the cycle? What I'm trying to say is nothing whites do will help if black people in poverty don't start changing their behavior.

I love this example. I hear in England black people like to talk like Jaimacians. That's their version of Eubonics. So that tells me black people chose to talk and dress and act the way they do. I know it's because America is a racist nation but trust me, any black run nation you go to is going to be racist towards whites too. The secret is to fit in. Find your nitch. If you want the truth, America is unfair to any of us who aren't rich. I've been poor. It's much better to be middle class. That doesn't mean America is racist to poor blacks. It means it's unfair to all poor people.. I know things suck just a little, sometimes a lot more for blacks, but you people have to get over it and now. No one gives a ****. Do you see all these Republicans winning elections? That's because white America is sick of your excuses. It's impossible to help the black community in the current state it is in. Black people need to change from within. Trust me, there are lots of jobs outside of the hood. It's not so scary outside the hood. You can make it if you come out of the hood. You will have to work hard and leave the ghetto behind you though. Don't bring that ghetto mentality with you. Many of you do and you don't last very long. You think everyone hates you because you are black but that's not true. It's because you are ghetto. AKA black trash. If you were white we would call you white trash.

Look son, there is lot I can say to this ignorance you are posting. So I am going to tell you this. You have an opinion, but your opinion Is no good here. I am a man with masters degree in sociology. I have studied the issues pertaining to the black community for over 30 years. I helped form an organization that won awards for the programs we implemented in the black community that helped reduce problems. I know what the root cause of the problem is and the solutions that are necessary for things to be levelled off. I am not the only one. I am sure Essen knows just as well. You don't. You are here in a gun fight with your hands tied behind your back facing a man with a loaded gun. Shut up before I make an example out of you.

Look... I am really sorry for what happened to your ancestors, but I had nothing to do with it. In fact, several of my ancestors fought in Lincoln 's War to end slavery. Can I get a thank you?

Since we aren't talking about slavery and your ancestors did not fight end slavery, I can ask don't you have better things t do in your life than troll; treads about race?

Are you that much of a loser?

Wrong. Some of my ancestors were ardent abolitionists, as were many in the North.

If you are going to condemn whites today for the actions of whites hundreds of years ago, then you should be willing to commend whites today who's ancestors fought to end slavery.

See? Logic on full display.

I want a thank you NOW!!!

Since I am talking about the years after slavery ended. .........

 

[IM2]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

 

[Slyhunter]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

The blacks are lucky we brought them over as slaves. Look at how American Blacks live NOW vs how African Blacks are living NOW.

 

[IM2]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

The blacks are lucky we brought them over as slaves. Look at how American Blacks live NOW vs how African Blacks are living NOW.

.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

Too many mean whiteys here....perhaps you should move someplace where they'll appreciate your tender sensibilities? America clearly doesn't deserve such a delicate flower as you.

Be sure to write!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

You're right.
You should move to a place where the government will give you everything.
I hear Burkina Faso is nice.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

But....you just said your life is just fine. So...?

My life is fine. But life is about more than me. And as I have been blessed I am even more required to stand up for those who do not have what I do. Your little selfish belief of we are individuals crap is for the birds. My life being fine doesn't end .white racism. I came from a poor black community destroyed because of racist policies. I refuse to forget were I came from and to stop trying to fight for those in that and other similar communities

My life does not have to be a failure because I oppose mother ******* white racism. Stop cosigning that stupid shit if you are not a racist, and stop cosigning this stupid shit period..

If you are black and not a failure, why can't all other blacks, or any other race, be successful too?

Well you see in the state of psychosis whites like you live in, the ability to understand just how much you have been helped escapes you. Fortunately there are also whites who are not so null and void.

It is so funny that you think only YOU are right, how dare anyone disagree LOL. I am not in a state of psychosis. The only help I received was my own ability to know I can be whatever I chose to be if I work hard for it. I do not take handouts, I work hard, always have. If ANYONE today choses to succeed, they can, if they work hard. Using the past as a crutch to excuse people from succeeding is so pitiful.

You are in a state of psychosis. What YOU don't do is irrelevant. Racist laws and policies were not made that excluded YOU from being white and having opportunities others could not get based upon YOU as as an individual. .You have no argument here. Your opinion is no good. You are part of the demographic that has benefitted the most from Affirmative Action. You don't know if you have been given a chance because of affirmative action or not. Because It's illegal for a employer to tell you that. So then you don't seem to understand the impact of laws and policies and how they help you. Unit you do, stop trying to argue based upon the I did this or I did that line. I worked harder than you ever did. I got a masters degree and have worked for 32 years researching issues surrounding race and racism. I do know what I am talking about here. I have loads of policies and evidence showing that I am right, You don't. All you have is your belief. and the same canned stupid response white racists make in regards to this issue and that is not going to be enough in this discussion.

I got a masters degree and have worked for 32 years researching issues surrounding race and racism.

So you're mad because you couldn't get a real job.

 

[IM2]

My life is fine. But life is about more than me. And as I have been blessed I am even more required to stand up for those who do not have what I do. Your little selfish belief of we are individuals crap is for the birds. My life being fine doesn't end .white racism. I came from a poor black community destroyed because of racist policies. I refuse to forget were I came from and to stop trying to fight for those in that and other similar communities

My life does not have to be a failure because I oppose mother ******* white racism. Stop cosigning that stupid shit if you are not a racist, and stop cosigning this stupid shit period..

If you are black and not a failure, why can't all other blacks, or any other race, be successful too?

Well you see in the state of psychosis whites like you live in, the ability to understand just how much you have been helped escapes you. Fortunately there are also whites who are not so null and void.

It is so funny that you think only YOU are right, how dare anyone disagree LOL. I am not in a state of psychosis. The only help I received was my own ability to know I can be whatever I chose to be if I work hard for it. I do not take handouts, I work hard, always have. If ANYONE today choses to succeed, they can, if they work hard. Using the past as a crutch to excuse people from succeeding is so pitiful.

You are in a state of psychosis. What YOU don't do is irrelevant. Racist laws and policies were not made that excluded YOU from being white and having opportunities others could not get based upon YOU as as an individual. .You have no argument here. Your opinion is no good. You are part of the demographic that has benefitted the most from Affirmative Action. You don't know if you have been given a chance because of affirmative action or not. Because It's illegal for a employer to tell you that. So then you don't seem to understand the impact of laws and policies and how they help you. Unit you do, stop trying to argue based upon the I did this or I did that line. I worked harder than you ever did. I got a masters degree and have worked for 32 years researching issues surrounding race and racism. I do know what I am talking about here. I have loads of policies and evidence showing that I am right, You don't. All you have is your belief. and the same canned stupid response white racists make in regards to this issue and that is not going to be enough in this discussion.

I got a masters degree and have worked for 32 years researching issues surrounding race and racism.

So you're mad because you couldn't get a real job.

You really might want to not enter the discussion in his manner. .

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you are black and not a failure, why can't all other blacks, or any other race, be successful too?

Well you see in the state of psychosis whites like you live in, the ability to understand just how much you have been helped escapes you. Fortunately there are also whites who are not so null and void.

It is so funny that you think only YOU are right, how dare anyone disagree LOL. I am not in a state of psychosis. The only help I received was my own ability to know I can be whatever I chose to be if I work hard for it. I do not take handouts, I work hard, always have. If ANYONE today choses to succeed, they can, if they work hard. Using the past as a crutch to excuse people from succeeding is so pitiful.

You are in a state of psychosis. What YOU don't do is irrelevant. Racist laws and policies were not made that excluded YOU from being white and having opportunities others could not get based upon YOU as as an individual. .You have no argument here. Your opinion is no good. You are part of the demographic that has benefitted the most from Affirmative Action. You don't know if you have been given a chance because of affirmative action or not. Because It's illegal for a employer to tell you that. So then you don't seem to understand the impact of laws and policies and how they help you. Unit you do, stop trying to argue based upon the I did this or I did that line. I worked harder than you ever did. I got a masters degree and have worked for 32 years researching issues surrounding race and racism. I do know what I am talking about here. I have loads of policies and evidence showing that I am right, You don't. All you have is your belief. and the same canned stupid response white racists make in regards to this issue and that is not going to be enough in this discussion.

I got a masters degree and have worked for 32 years researching issues surrounding race and racism.

So you're mad because you couldn't get a real job.

You really might want to not enter the discussion in his manner. .

Bring it.

 

[Correll]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

at

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

Except that that is not a "fact" but racist shit.

 

[Correll]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

The blacks are lucky we brought them over as slaves. Look at how American Blacks live NOW vs how African Blacks are living NOW.

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If he is wrong about what he said, there is nothing now, stopping you from leaving horrible racist America and returning to Africa.


If he is RIGHT, then of course, you wouldn't WANT to go live in Africa, because shitty Third WOrld shit holes.


So, which is it?

 

[IM2]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

at

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

Except that that is not a "fact" but racist shit.

No, it's fact.

 

[Correll]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

at

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

Except that that is not a "fact" but racist shit.

No, it's fact.

No, it's complete bullshit.

 

[IM2]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

The blacks are lucky we brought them over as slaves. Look at how American Blacks live NOW vs how African Blacks are living NOW.

.

If he is wrong about what he said, there is nothing now, stopping you from leaving horrible racist America and returning to Africa.


If he is RIGHT, then of course, you wouldn't WANT to go live in Africa, because shitty Third WOrld shit holes.


So, which is it?

Neither. I was born here. I am an American. I have the righto air my grievance and demand change. So you can go S A D..

Or move back to Europe.

 

[Correll]

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

The blacks are lucky we brought them over as slaves. Look at how American Blacks live NOW vs how African Blacks are living NOW.

.

If he is wrong about what he said, there is nothing now, stopping you from leaving horrible racist America and returning to Africa.


If he is RIGHT, then of course, you wouldn't WANT to go live in Africa, because shitty Third WOrld shit holes.


So, which is it?

Neither. I was born here. I am an American. I have the righto air my grievance and demand change. So you can go S A D..

Or move back to Europe.

Nothing I said, can reasonable be seen as claiming you don't have those rights.


BUT, if considering how you view whites, as soooooo dangerous and racist, and that we soooooo much outnumber you and always will,


AND considering how you ridiculed slyhunter for saying that you live better here than blacks in Africa,


what exactly about his statement were you disagreeing with?


Cause if you are disagreeing that you live better here, then why have you not gone to where you can live, at least as well, and without being in danger from Evul Racist Whites?

 

[IM2]

So now we have heard all the excuses about how no one today owned slaves. But what we never seem able to discus is the 100 years after slavery where blacks were denied equal rights ,equal protection under the law, equal access to public accommodations, education, housing and jobs. Many whites here benefitted from things that occurred during this time.

Bring your popcorn. Here comes more lies and excuses.

at

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

Except that that is not a "fact" but racist shit.

No, it's fact.

No, it's complete bullshit.

We are talking about things since slavery. So then you will come to understand that your punk ass benefitted from laws ad policies made in the 1900's and up to now not just the 1700's. You know the 1900's that you lived in unless you are less than 17 years old?

 

[Correll]

at

You don't have to feel any guilt. You just need to face the fact that whites were given everything they have by the government and deal with it.

Except that that is not a "fact" but racist shit.

No, it's fact.

No, it's complete bullshit.

We are talking about things since slavery. So then you will come to understand that your punk ass benefitted from laws ad policies made in the 1900's and up to now not just the 1700's. You know the 1900's that you lived in unless you are less than 17 years old?

THe system of Affirmative Action, Diversity, Multiculturalism, Disparate Impact, ect, that results in anti-white discrimination to the tune of, to give ONE narrow documented example, a 230 point sat bonus was well in place before I was born.


THAT is the system I want to dismantle. Right, ******* NOW.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Two generations of affirmative action giving him privilege over others and still he continues with his hackneyed dogma.

What a whiny, pathetic loser.