No due process for illegals???

[Paradoxical#1]

Seventy five per cent have NO criminal record

They were “disappeared “ based on tattoos…

And it appears ICE has no idea what tattoos actually mean.

Did y oh know for instance that anyone with a crown tattoo is a gang member?

Me either


A clock? Me either

Here the left goes again posting claims with any facts.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Under Trump the expedited removal has no limitation on time period or distance. Anyone in US can be detained anytime, anywhere. Upon detention, the person is allowed to speak with an immigration agent which has become just another ICE agent. If the detainee claims he has proof of citizenship or documentation and the agent believes him, the agent may delay his deportation a few days so a family member or friend can produce the document. There is no right to make phone calls, or contact an attorney. Everything depends on pressure to deport, number available agents, and number detainees.

I believe it is very likely people who were legally in the US got deported and that includes US citizens. Without some form of due process there is just not enough safeguards against deporting the wrong people.

How many adults do you know who cannot prove they were born here almost immediately? How many people do you know who don't have an ID that allows them to get a driver's license, buy alcohol or cigarettes, cash a check, get a bank account, a car loan?

 

[dblack]

How many adults do you know who cannot prove they were born here almost immediately?

I know some. And they're generally pretty hapless people to begin with. Often with mental health issues. Some might not even know what's going on before they're on a plane to Ecuador.

But let's cut to chase. MAGA people like the idea of ICE agents sweeping neighborhoods getting rid of the brown people. It's the kind of police state they voted for.

The rest of us are sickened by it.

 

[BackAgain]

I know some. And they're generally pretty hapless people to begin with. Often with mental health issues. Some might not even know what's going on before they're on a plane to Ecuador.

But let's cut to chase. MAGA people like the idea of ICE agents sweeping neighborhoods getting rid of the brown people. It's the kind of police state they voted for.

The rest of us are sickened by it.

Pontificating out of your boundless ignorance and based on your arrogant biases doesn’t support your delusional beliefs. Unlike you and most leftists, we don’t see everything in terms of race.

Try to follow along for once, the US has a very generous immigration policy. No other nation on Earth has a more generous one.

The “MAGA people” do object to any immigrant who comes here without bothering to comply with our immigration laws. What scumbags, like you, dishonestly and ignorantly attribute to racism simply has nothing at all to do with racism.

And shitheads like you can’t even contemplate why you’re unworthy of credibility. But it is why you have none. You’re a troll and a bigot.

 

[dblack]

Pontificating out of your boundless ignorance and based on your arrogant biases doesn’t support your delusional beliefs. Unlike you and most leftists, we don’t see everything in terms of race.

Try to follow along for once, the US has a very generous immigration policy. No other nation on Earth has a more generous one.

The “MAGA people” do object to any immigrant who comes here without bothering to comply with our immigration laws. What scumbags, like you, dishonestly and ignorantly attribute to racism simply has nothing at all to do with racism.

And shitheads like you can’t even contemplate why you’re unworthy of credibility. But it is why you have none. You’re a troll and a bigot.

Triggered? Again? Musta touched a nerve.

 

[BackAgain]

Triggered? Again? Musta touched a nerve.

Nah. Although that’s obviously and always your goal as the troll shit you are, you can’t trigger anyone.

I am content to expose you as the flaming bag of poop you are.

 

[dblack]

Nah. Although that’s obviously and always your goal as the troll shit you are, you can’t trigger anyone.

I am content to expose you as the flaming bag of poop you are.

 

[BackAgain]

Look at the fail. Always straining. Always failing. It’s got to suck to be an Asa licking shitlib troll.

 

[dblack]

Look at the fail. Always straining. Always failing. It’s got to suck to be an Asa licking shitlib troll.

You still mad?

 

[BackAgain]

You still mad?

Haven’t been.

But you’re still just a *****.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I know some. And they're generally pretty hapless people to begin with. Often with mental health issues. Some might not even know what's going on before they're on a plane to Ecuador.

But let's cut to chase. MAGA people like the idea of ICE agents sweeping neighborhoods getting rid of the brown people. It's the kind of police state they voted for.

The rest of us are sickened by it.

Be offended.

 

[dblack]

Be offended.

I'm not offended. It's not personal. Just sad to see. The America I love is better than that.

 

[San Souci]

Looks like this debate over due process has been conflated by the left. Why am I not surprised. Several articles discuss the topic and how Illegals aren't necessarily entitled.



A series of legal challenges are mounting against the Trump administration’s aggressive efforts to remove noncitizens, many of which allege violations of constitutional due process protections. Attorneys for the noncitizens in these cases argue that removals have been carried out without “due process.”

But what exactly is “due process” in this context? Everyone seems to be certain that everyone is entitled to it. Everyone seems pretty certain that it’s being denied. But does everyone clamoring for it actually know what “due process” would look like?

It turns out, not much.
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If people expect that folks like Kilmar Abrego Garcia, if returned to the U.S., will be entitled to a televised jury trial and a court-appointed defense team, then they will be similarly disappointed. There is no express statutory right to counsel under the AEA. There is no statutory right to a hearing under the AEA.
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The government argues that the Alien Enemies Act explicitly authorizes the removal of enemy aliens without individualized hearings or procedures, especially during wartime or national security contexts.

According to the government, the Supreme Court in Ludecke v. Watkins, 335 U.S. 160 (1948), upheld this framework, finding that enemy aliens may be removed solely on the basis of executive determination under the AEA.
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It seems that the only thing that a person removed under the AEA can challenge is his determination as an (1) Alien (2) Enemy. That’s not nothing. But it’s probably not much.

How much "Due Process" is Actually Due

Everyone is talking "Due Process" with these removals--but how much is actually "Due"?

dannycevallos.substack.com

Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996

ballotpedia.org

Did these dirty Illegals use any "Due Process" by crossing over?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

This person got "due process". These are the people the left is fighting for

 

[The Irish Ram]

You’re not deporting people. You’re trafficking them.

They aren't sex slaves. They are illegals that could go home on their own, but choose not to. That's where we step in.

 

[toobfreak]

Looks like this debate over due process has been conflated by the left. Why am I not surprised. Several articles discuss the topic and how Illegals aren't necessarily entitled.

The Due Process illegals are entitled to is the hearing where it is decided that they are an illegal. They do not need to be present. When the judge determines they are an illegal who should be deported, that is their due process.

To do any more would be like catching a burglar breaking into your house and instead of repelling him off the property, you stop first to have a hearing to decide their rights to invade your property.

Whether you catch them sneaking in at the border or already here, either way, the border is to be defended and invaders repelled.

 

[Delldude]

The Due Process illegals are entitled to is the hearing where it is decided that they are an illegal. They do not need to be present. When the judge determines they are an illegal who should be deported, that is their due process.

To do any more would be like catching a burglar breaking into your house and instead of repelling him off the property, you stop first to have a hearing to decide their rights to invade your property.

Whether you catch them sneaking in at the border or already here, either way, the border is to be defended and invaders repelled.

Everyone on the left seems to think it will be a jury trial with live TV coverage.

Border agents have the power to make that determination at the border too.

 

[toobfreak]

Everyone on the left seems to think it will be a jury trial with live TV coverage.

That bullshit simply isn't going to fly. 40 million illegals are headed for the door.

 

[Flopper]

Again, for you and other confused individuals, the question is always, under the circumstances, “what process is due?”

Due process focuses on the procedures the government must follow before taking action that affects someone's life, liberty, or property. It requires adequate notice, an opportunity to be heard, and a fair and impartial tribunal. Further details on the immigration hearings are specified in immigration law. However, details are not really important since under Trump the process is pick'em up and hold'em for a deportation order signing.

 

[Flopper]

Everyone on the left seems to think it will be a jury trial with live TV coverage.

Border agents have the power to make that determination at the border too.

Are we discussing immigration law or what is actually happen today. There is a wide gulf between the two.