New Zealand: First They Took Their Guns.....Now They're Removing Jesus From Their Lives

[idb]

I might be mistaken but I'm getting the distinct impression that you think the rights of Christians are being eroded.
Can you please identify where?
They can follow their faith openly and without impediment from the government.
They can wear t-shirts with a picture of Jesus in public, they can wear a cross around their necks, they can gather in buildings dedicated to the express worship of their chosen deity, they can perform ceremonies for noted social events such as weddings, births and deaths in the manner of their choosing...I'm not too sure where you think the oppression comes in.

When you have people pretending that any public mention of Jesus is "Discrimination" against non-Christians,


it is obvious that the goal is to discriminate against Christians,


AND that people who are so bigoted against Christians are probably already discriminating against them is what ever way they can get away with.

I don't believe anyone has said that using Jesus' name is discriminating against anyone.
The idea of the change was to be more inclusive of all religions.

Do you think God will disappear if we don't say the name of His son in the halls of power?
Isn't He supposed to be all-powerful?

-------------------------------------- The entire issue is simply the REMOVAL of the name Jesus IDB .

So, how is that discrimination?
The removal of Jesus as a favoured name above all others is the opposite of discrimination...it's being more inclusive.
You're objecting to the loss of discrimination in favour of your deity, if anything.

Show to be a lie by the national observation of the specific Muslim Call to Prayer.

There was no national observation of the call to prayer.

 

[idb]

I don't believe anyone has said that using Jesus' name is discriminating against anyone.
The idea of the change was to be more inclusive of all religions.

Do you think God will disappear if we don't say the name of His son in the halls of power?
Isn't He supposed to be all-powerful?

-------------------------------------- The entire issue is simply the REMOVAL of the name Jesus IDB .

So, how is that discrimination?
The removal of Jesus as a favoured name above all others is the opposite of discrimination...it's being more inclusive.
You're objecting to the loss of discrimination in favour of your deity, if anything.

Bullshit!!!!
Forcing people to adhere to the Islamic Call To Prayer while erasing Jesus from prayers in the state house is the very definition of discrimination.
You really need to stop with this play-acting at ignorance nonsense.......or is it an act??

Wait...what?!!!
When were people forced "to adhere to the Islamic Call To Prayer"?

You really are an ignorant asshole. New Zealand observes Muslim call to prayer to mark mosque attacks
Maybe you need to be more aware of current events.
They made it look like it was a collective agreement to do this, but in reality, anyone who refused would come under peer-pressure to comply. For now it's coercion.....later it will become law.

You really live in a fantasy world, don't you?
There was no coercion, no peer pressure, in most towns you wouldn't have known it was going on, it will never become law.

 

[idb]

'new zealanders' looks like youse guys are 'dhimmis' as if 'subjects' wasn't bad enough eh IBD !!

You'll have to translate for me PIMSOE

 

[idb]

Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?

Liberals. They always find Christianity offensive. But now they have an excuse for their bigotry.

Why are you upset?
Where are Christians being offended against in NZ?

It bothers me to see Western Civilization declining in front of me. That is why I am upset.


The double standard and discrimination demonstrated in the OP, is an offense against Christians in NZ.

There's no discrimination shown in the OP.
God is still in the prayer, Christians are still free to practice their faith.

You'll have to explain where you see a double standard I'm sorry.

Christianity is purged while Islam is celebrated.


That is not diversity, that is religious discrimination.

Christianity has not been 'purged'.
The prayer is more inclusive.
That's the opposite of discrimination.

 

[mudwhistle]

-------------------------------------- The entire issue is simply the REMOVAL of the name Jesus IDB .

So, how is that discrimination?
The removal of Jesus as a favoured name above all others is the opposite of discrimination...it's being more inclusive.
You're objecting to the loss of discrimination in favour of your deity, if anything.

Bullshit!!!!
Forcing people to adhere to the Islamic Call To Prayer while erasing Jesus from prayers in the state house is the very definition of discrimination.
You really need to stop with this play-acting at ignorance nonsense.......or is it an act??

Wait...what?!!!
When were people forced "to adhere to the Islamic Call To Prayer"?

You really are an ignorant asshole. New Zealand observes Muslim call to prayer to mark mosque attacks
Maybe you need to be more aware of current events.
They made it look like it was a collective agreement to do this, but in reality, anyone who refused would come under peer-pressure to comply. For now it's coercion.....later it will become law.

You really live in a fantasy world, don't you?
There was no coercion, no peer pressure, in most towns you wouldn't have known it was going on, it will never become law.

Keep telling yourself that.
I cannot be that way, wallowing in willful ignorance.

 

[idb]

no compromise from me even if I had the power . The name Jesus is Traditional , feck 'allah' . I prefer the example of what YOU leftys have done to remain visible . [I can't stand compromise as a general rule as it is weakness IBD] Maybe one or many of your 'new zealanders' will grow some Guts and get to work IBD .

You can say 'Jesus' as often and as loud as you want in New Zealand.
Neat, huh?

Yeah....you just can't do it in public in a government building now.
But the Muslims can throw out their prayer rugs anywhere, hold up traffic, shut down airports, you name it.
But to you this is "DIVERSITY".

You're such a con artist......and not even an effective one.

Oh...now I understand...you're wrong about everything.

Nope.
You agree that the Muslim call to prayer is acceptable if government is involved, but not Christ. Jesus = Oppression
Islam = Peace & Love

And it doesn't matter if they did this on March 30th 2019 or October 30th 2018. They're still favoring one religion over another.

Get on your Google and find me where the government passed a resolution or law mandating a call to prayer.

 

[idb]

Keep telling yourself that.
I cannot be that way, wallowing in willful ignorance.

It's too late for you...you're wallowing up to your neck.

 

[mudwhistle]

Liberals. They always find Christianity offensive. But now they have an excuse for their bigotry.

Why are you upset?
Where are Christians being offended against in NZ?

It bothers me to see Western Civilization declining in front of me. That is why I am upset.


The double standard and discrimination demonstrated in the OP, is an offense against Christians in NZ.

There's no discrimination shown in the OP.
God is still in the prayer, Christians are still free to practice their faith.

You'll have to explain where you see a double standard I'm sorry.

Christianity is purged while Islam is celebrated.


That is not diversity, that is religious discrimination.

Christianity has not been 'purged'.
The prayer is more inclusive.
That's the opposite of discrimination.

Horseshit. Any time you take something out you change the meaning.

 

[mudwhistle]

no compromise from me even if I had the power . The name Jesus is Traditional , feck 'allah' . I prefer the example of what YOU leftys have done to remain visible . [I can't stand compromise as a general rule as it is weakness IBD] Maybe one or many of your 'new zealanders' will grow some Guts and get to work IBD .

You can say 'Jesus' as often and as loud as you want in New Zealand.
Neat, huh?

Yeah....you just can't do it in public in a government building now.
But the Muslims can throw out their prayer rugs anywhere, hold up traffic, shut down airports, you name it.
But to you this is "DIVERSITY".

You're such a con artist......and not even an effective one.

Oh...now I understand...you're wrong about everything.

Nope.
You agree that the Muslim call to prayer is acceptable if government is involved, but not Christ. Jesus = Oppression
Islam = Peace & Love

And it doesn't matter if they did this on March 30th 2019 or October 30th 2018. They're still favoring one religion over another.

Get on your Google and find me where the government passed a resolution or law mandating a call to prayer.

Socialism believes laws are for thee...... not for me.
You won't see a law on the books, shit for brains.

 

[idb]

Why are you upset?
Where are Christians being offended against in NZ?

It bothers me to see Western Civilization declining in front of me. That is why I am upset.


The double standard and discrimination demonstrated in the OP, is an offense against Christians in NZ.

There's no discrimination shown in the OP.
God is still in the prayer, Christians are still free to practice their faith.

You'll have to explain where you see a double standard I'm sorry.

Christianity is purged while Islam is celebrated.


That is not diversity, that is religious discrimination.

Christianity has not been 'purged'.
The prayer is more inclusive.
That's the opposite of discrimination.

Horseshit. Any time you take something out you change the meaning.

the 'Jesus' reference was repealed and replaced...with 'Almighty God'.
That's an appeal to a greater and more powerful Christian authority.

Why can other governments get 'repeal and replace' done so easily?

 

[idb]

You can say 'Jesus' as often and as loud as you want in New Zealand.
Neat, huh?

Yeah....you just can't do it in public in a government building now.
But the Muslims can throw out their prayer rugs anywhere, hold up traffic, shut down airports, you name it.
But to you this is "DIVERSITY".

You're such a con artist......and not even an effective one.

Oh...now I understand...you're wrong about everything.

Nope.
You agree that the Muslim call to prayer is acceptable if government is involved, but not Christ. Jesus = Oppression
Islam = Peace & Love

And it doesn't matter if they did this on March 30th 2019 or October 30th 2018. They're still favoring one religion over another.

Get on your Google and find me where the government passed a resolution or law mandating a call to prayer.

Socialism believes laws are for thee...... not for me.
You won't see a law on the books, shit for brains.

Didn't you say that the government made the call to prayer...or was involved...or was favouring one religion over another...or something?
If so, there'll be at least a parliamentary resolution of some sort calling NZ to prayer.

Somehow...after all this, you still manage to be as wrong as you were at the start of the discussion.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

That's not what you said just a few posts ago, Big Talker. You said "our" culture is not Christian. Did you mean Maori culture, the one your ancestors oppressed and stole land from? You know, the very thing you hate America for?

Bad morning for you pal

You could at least quote me accurately when you build your straw men, church lady.

Our roots are not Judeo Christian. Tane was the first god.

Culture, roots, no difference. You claimed that which is not yours.

You claimed something he/she didn't say. What does the bible say? Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? Does hypocrisy not register with the overly pious?

 

[mudwhistle]

It bothers me to see Western Civilization declining in front of me. That is why I am upset.


The double standard and discrimination demonstrated in the OP, is an offense against Christians in NZ.

There's no discrimination shown in the OP.
God is still in the prayer, Christians are still free to practice their faith.

You'll have to explain where you see a double standard I'm sorry.

Christianity is purged while Islam is celebrated.


That is not diversity, that is religious discrimination.

Christianity has not been 'purged'.
The prayer is more inclusive.
That's the opposite of discrimination.

Horseshit. Any time you take something out you change the meaning.

the 'Jesus' reference was repealed and replaced...with 'Almighty God'.
That's an appeal to a greater and more powerful Christian authority.

Why can other governments get 'repeal and replace' done so easily?

Sorry, Almighty God can easily be changed to Allah.

 

[idb]

There's no discrimination shown in the OP.
God is still in the prayer, Christians are still free to practice their faith.

You'll have to explain where you see a double standard I'm sorry.

Christianity is purged while Islam is celebrated.


That is not diversity, that is religious discrimination.

Christianity has not been 'purged'.
The prayer is more inclusive.
That's the opposite of discrimination.

Horseshit. Any time you take something out you change the meaning.

the 'Jesus' reference was repealed and replaced...with 'Almighty God'.
That's an appeal to a greater and more powerful Christian authority.

Why can other governments get 'repeal and replace' done so easily?

Sorry, Almighty God can easily be changed to Allah.

Don't you believe that the one true Almighty God is the Christian god?

 

[Correll]

Is the purging of any Christian references from the public prayer per the OP, a singular event, that will never be repeated or built upon?

I might be mistaken but I'm getting the distinct impression that you think the rights of Christians are being eroded.
Can you please identify where?
They can follow their faith openly and without impediment from the government.
They can wear t-shirts with a picture of Jesus in public, they can wear a cross around their necks, they can gather in buildings dedicated to the express worship of their chosen deity, they can perform ceremonies for noted social events such as weddings, births and deaths in the manner of their choosing...I'm not too sure where you think the oppression comes in.

When you have people pretending that any public mention of Jesus is "Discrimination" against non-Christians,


it is obvious that the goal is to discriminate against Christians,


AND that people who are so bigoted against Christians are probably already discriminating against them is what ever way they can get away with.

I don't believe anyone has said that using Jesus' name is discriminating against anyone.
The idea of the change was to be more inclusive of all religions.
....

cnm said that very thing. And I've heard other liberals hold that basic position, so it is not just him.


And that is my point. The stated reason might be to be more inclusive. They always say some such shit.

But it is revealed to be a lie, by the way they are happy to have other efforts made to celebrate other SPECIFIC religions, such as the Muslim Call to Prayer as per the op.

The change to the parliamentary prayer would remove reference to SPECIFIC religions so any point you're making about discrimination is obviously wrong.
There was no national call to prayer.
There was a nationwide screening of a Christian memorial service for the 9/11 victims in 2001.
National holidays are held for Christian Easter and Christmas.
Christian ANZAC Day services are held across the country in April.

The act of mentioning Christianity is not discrimination.

The fact that you libs pretend that it is, to justify purging any mention or pubic display of Christianity shows that you libs are religious bigots and is discrimination against Christians, and Christianity.


The OP mentions a call to prayer observed nation wide. I'm sure the plenty of public officials specifically mentioned it to support it, and celebrate diversity and inclusion.


The double standard is the point.

 

[Correll]

Whys all of a sudden is Jesus offensive in NZ?

As far as I know he isn't.
Why do you think otherwise?

The behavior of the government in the op. THe words of the New Zealander lib in this thread.

God is still in the parliamentary prayer.
What's the issue again?

Same one it was before.


The double standard of the Left.


Christianity is purged, while Islam is celebrated.


That is not diversity. That is religious discrimination.

Christianity has not been purged.
Where do you get your information from?

The OP.


Please support your claim that it is false.

 

[Correll]

Liberals. They always find Christianity offensive. But now they have an excuse for their bigotry.

Why are you upset?
Where are Christians being offended against in NZ?

It bothers me to see Western Civilization declining in front of me. That is why I am upset.


The double standard and discrimination demonstrated in the OP, is an offense against Christians in NZ.

There's no discrimination shown in the OP.
God is still in the prayer, Christians are still free to practice their faith.

You'll have to explain where you see a double standard I'm sorry.

Christianity is purged while Islam is celebrated.


That is not diversity, that is religious discrimination.

Christianity has not been 'purged'.
The prayer is more inclusive.
That's the opposite of discrimination.

When you single out ONE religion and don't allow public displays or references or practice to IT, but do for other religions,


that is religious discrimination.

 

[mudwhistle]

Christianity is purged while Islam is celebrated.


That is not diversity, that is religious discrimination.

Christianity has not been 'purged'.
The prayer is more inclusive.
That's the opposite of discrimination.

Horseshit. Any time you take something out you change the meaning.

the 'Jesus' reference was repealed and replaced...with 'Almighty God'.
That's an appeal to a greater and more powerful Christian authority.

Why can other governments get 'repeal and replace' done so easily?

Sorry, Almighty God can easily be changed to Allah.

Don't you believe that the one true Almighty God is the Christian god?

The issue isn't about God. It's about Jesus. Learn the difference between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[pismoe]

the name JESUS was removed simply to remove that easily recognized and revered name from the Parlimentary Prayer . The removal was a purposeful slight aimed at Christians .

 

[mudwhistle]

Christianity is purged while Islam is celebrated.


That is not diversity, that is religious discrimination.

Christianity has not been 'purged'.
The prayer is more inclusive.
That's the opposite of discrimination.

Horseshit. Any time you take something out you change the meaning.

the 'Jesus' reference was repealed and replaced...with 'Almighty God'.
That's an appeal to a greater and more powerful Christian authority.

Why can other governments get 'repeal and replace' done so easily?

Sorry, Almighty God can easily be changed to Allah.

Don't you believe that the one true Almighty God is the Christian god?

God is God in any religion.
Jesus is the Center of Christianity, thus the move to irradicate Jesus is obvious to the learned. He is the way, the truth and the light. Without him Christianity doesn't exist. It would be like telling Muslims they cannot bless the prophet Muhammed in public. Like telling Buddhists that Buddha is forbidden.