New rules of engagement for stone throwers from the IDF. Expect quite a few deaths

[rylah]

No there's a difference between a govt. protecting its' citizens and protecting citizens of other states or authorities. What is logically predominant?
Do Israelis in Samaria target Israelis praying? Or do they look intentionally to murder soldiers?

Coyote is making a valid point. Jewish settlers who throw rocks at Palestinians are every bit as much in the wrong as the Palestinians who are doing the same.

So Palestinians who don't have Israeli citizenship should enjoy the same rights as Israelis??

They can't be both.

Are Palestinians human beings. Yes/No. If they are human beings they have the right to not have rocks thrown at them. It's as simple as that. Mexicans here in the USA are not open targets for the moronic and the stupid to throw rocks at, or beer bottles, or bullets, just because they are here illegally.

No there's a difference between a govt. protecting its' citizens and protecting citizens of other states or authorities. What is logically predominant?
Do Israelis in Samaria target Israelis praying? Or do they look intentionally to murder soldiers?

Coyote is making a valid point. Jewish settlers who throw rocks at Palestinians are every bit as much in the wrong as the Palestinians who are doing the same.

So Palestinians who don't have Israeli citizenship should enjoy the same rights as Israelis??

They can't be both.

Are Palestinians human beings. Yes/No. If they are human beings they have the right to not have rocks thrown at them. It's as simple as that. Mexicans here in the USA are not open targets for the moronic and the stupid to throw rocks at, or beer bottles, or bullets, just because they are here illegally.

Don't give me that 'human or not?' before You ask those Palestinians whom do those Arab muslim balestinians consider Jews to be.

Yes they're human but their Arab brothers seem to treat them worse than that...and surely worse than Israel.

Is it ethical to throw rocks at people? Yes or no? If a Palestinian who is unprovoked throws a rock at a Jew I expect the Jew to defend him or herself. Is it any different if a Jew who is otherwise unprovoked does the same?

From human perspective- I wouldn't throw rocks. No matter who I'd of course defend and don't think would attack back.

From citizen/military perspective- if a citizen of other state/authority harms me in my country- I'm favored and it's a national conflict.

If Israelis in Samaria throw rocks at citizens of PA, I don't think the treatment should be the same. It should be the as when an Israeli attacks another Israeli.

 

[westwall]

Coyote is making a valid point. Jewish settlers who throw rocks at Palestinians are every bit as much in the wrong as the Palestinians who are doing the same.

So Palestinians who don't have Israeli citizenship should enjoy the same rights as Israelis??

They can't be both.

Are Palestinians human beings. Yes/No. If they are human beings they have the right to not have rocks thrown at them. It's as simple as that. Mexicans here in the USA are not open targets for the moronic and the stupid to throw rocks at, or beer bottles, or bullets, just because they are here illegally.

Coyote is making a valid point. Jewish settlers who throw rocks at Palestinians are every bit as much in the wrong as the Palestinians who are doing the same.

So Palestinians who don't have Israeli citizenship should enjoy the same rights as Israelis??

They can't be both.

Are Palestinians human beings. Yes/No. If they are human beings they have the right to not have rocks thrown at them. It's as simple as that. Mexicans here in the USA are not open targets for the moronic and the stupid to throw rocks at, or beer bottles, or bullets, just because they are here illegally.

Don't give me that 'human or not?' before You ask those Palestinians whom do those Arab muslim balestinians consider Jews to be.

Yes they're human but their Arab brothers seem to treat them worse than that...and surely worse than Israel.

Is it ethical to throw rocks at people? Yes or no? If a Palestinian who is unprovoked throws a rock at a Jew I expect the Jew to defend him or herself. Is it any different if a Jew who is otherwise unprovoked does the same?

From human perspective- I wouldn't throw rocks. No matter who I'd of course defend and don't think would attack back.

From citizen/military perspective- if a citizen of other state/authority harms me in my country- I'm favored and it's a national conflict.

If Israelis in Samaria throw rocks at citizens of PA, I don't think the treatment should be the same. It should be the as when an Israeli attacks another Israeli.

I think the Jews in Samaria should call the Mishteret and have THEM deal with the PA citzenry. Don't you?

 

[rylah]

So Palestinians who don't have Israeli citizenship should enjoy the same rights as Israelis??

They can't be both.

Are Palestinians human beings. Yes/No. If they are human beings they have the right to not have rocks thrown at them. It's as simple as that. Mexicans here in the USA are not open targets for the moronic and the stupid to throw rocks at, or beer bottles, or bullets, just because they are here illegally.

So Palestinians who don't have Israeli citizenship should enjoy the same rights as Israelis??

They can't be both.

Are Palestinians human beings. Yes/No. If they are human beings they have the right to not have rocks thrown at them. It's as simple as that. Mexicans here in the USA are not open targets for the moronic and the stupid to throw rocks at, or beer bottles, or bullets, just because they are here illegally.

Don't give me that 'human or not?' before You ask those Palestinians whom do those Arab muslim balestinians consider Jews to be.

Yes they're human but their Arab brothers seem to treat them worse than that...and surely worse than Israel.

Is it ethical to throw rocks at people? Yes or no? If a Palestinian who is unprovoked throws a rock at a Jew I expect the Jew to defend him or herself. Is it any different if a Jew who is otherwise unprovoked does the same?

From human perspective- I wouldn't throw rocks. No matter who I'd of course defend and don't think would attack back.

From citizen/military perspective- if a citizen of other state/authority harms me in my country- I'm favored and it's a national conflict.

If Israelis in Samaria throw rocks at citizens of PA, I don't think the treatment should be the same. It should be the as when an Israeli attacks another Israeli.

I think the Jews in Samaria should call the Mishteret and have THEM deal with the PA citzenry. Don't you?

Yes in a perfect world, but I also can understand their trauma after many have been evicted from villages by their Israeli brothers just to make room for more Hamas rocket launchers.

And mind You sometimes You don't have the time to wait when being attacked by a gang.

 

[westwall]

Are Palestinians human beings. Yes/No. If they are human beings they have the right to not have rocks thrown at them. It's as simple as that. Mexicans here in the USA are not open targets for the moronic and the stupid to throw rocks at, or beer bottles, or bullets, just because they are here illegally.

Are Palestinians human beings. Yes/No. If they are human beings they have the right to not have rocks thrown at them. It's as simple as that. Mexicans here in the USA are not open targets for the moronic and the stupid to throw rocks at, or beer bottles, or bullets, just because they are here illegally.

Don't give me that 'human or not?' before You ask those Palestinians whom do those Arab muslim balestinians consider Jews to be.

Yes they're human but their Arab brothers seem to treat them worse than that...and surely worse than Israel.

Is it ethical to throw rocks at people? Yes or no? If a Palestinian who is unprovoked throws a rock at a Jew I expect the Jew to defend him or herself. Is it any different if a Jew who is otherwise unprovoked does the same?

From human perspective- I wouldn't throw rocks. No matter who I'd of course defend and don't think would attack back.

From citizen/military perspective- if a citizen of other state/authority harms me in my country- I'm favored and it's a national conflict.

If Israelis in Samaria throw rocks at citizens of PA, I don't think the treatment should be the same. It should be the as when an Israeli attacks another Israeli.

I think the Jews in Samaria should call the Mishteret and have THEM deal with the PA citzenry. Don't you?

Yes in a perfect world, but I also can understand their trauma after many have been evicted from villages by their Israeli brothers just to make room for more Hamas rocket launchers.

And mind You sometimes You don't have the time to wait when being attacked by a gang.

If the Jews are being attacked then by all means they get to defend themselves. What they don't get to do is throw rocks at people who are walking through and have otherwise committed no hostile act.

 

[rylah]

Don't give me that 'human or not?' before You ask those Palestinians whom do those Arab muslim balestinians consider Jews to be.

Yes they're human but their Arab brothers seem to treat them worse than that...and surely worse than Israel.

Is it ethical to throw rocks at people? Yes or no? If a Palestinian who is unprovoked throws a rock at a Jew I expect the Jew to defend him or herself. Is it any different if a Jew who is otherwise unprovoked does the same?

From human perspective- I wouldn't throw rocks. No matter who I'd of course defend and don't think would attack back.

From citizen/military perspective- if a citizen of other state/authority harms me in my country- I'm favored and it's a national conflict.

If Israelis in Samaria throw rocks at citizens of PA, I don't think the treatment should be the same. It should be the as when an Israeli attacks another Israeli.

I think the Jews in Samaria should call the Mishteret and have THEM deal with the PA citzenry. Don't you?

Yes in a perfect world, but I also can understand their trauma after many have been evicted from villages by their Israeli brothers just to make room for more Hamas rocket launchers.

And mind You sometimes You don't have the time to wait when being attacked by a gang.

If the Jews are being attacked then by all means they get to defend themselves. What they don't get to do is throw rocks at people who are walking through and have otherwise committed no hostile act.

I'd change 'Jews' to 'Israeli citizen'.

 

[westwall]

Is it ethical to throw rocks at people? Yes or no? If a Palestinian who is unprovoked throws a rock at a Jew I expect the Jew to defend him or herself. Is it any different if a Jew who is otherwise unprovoked does the same?

From human perspective- I wouldn't throw rocks. No matter who I'd of course defend and don't think would attack back.

From citizen/military perspective- if a citizen of other state/authority harms me in my country- I'm favored and it's a national conflict.

If Israelis in Samaria throw rocks at citizens of PA, I don't think the treatment should be the same. It should be the as when an Israeli attacks another Israeli.

I think the Jews in Samaria should call the Mishteret and have THEM deal with the PA citzenry. Don't you?

Yes in a perfect world, but I also can understand their trauma after many have been evicted from villages by their Israeli brothers just to make room for more Hamas rocket launchers.

And mind You sometimes You don't have the time to wait when being attacked by a gang.

If the Jews are being attacked then by all means they get to defend themselves. What they don't get to do is throw rocks at people who are walking through and have otherwise committed no hostile act.

I'd change 'Jews' to 'Israeli citizen'.

Takes too long.

 

[Billo_Really]

Coyote is making a valid point. Jewish settlers who throw rocks at Palestinians are every bit as much in the wrong as the Palestinians who are doing the same.

Wrong!

Palestinian's have a right to throw rocks; settler insurgents don't.

Palestinian's have legal right to resist the belligerent occupation of their land by a foreign force; not only do settler insurgents have no legal right to even be in the area, they are throwing rocks just to be mean.

 

[westwall]

Coyote is making a valid point. Jewish settlers who throw rocks at Palestinians are every bit as much in the wrong as the Palestinians who are doing the same.

Wrong!

Palestinian's have a right to throw rocks; settler insurgents don't.

Palestinian's have legal right to resist the belligerent occupation of their land by a foreign force; not only do settler insurgents have no legal right to even be in the area, they are throwing rocks just to be mean.

Bullshit.

 

[rylah]

Coyote is making a valid point. Jewish settlers who throw rocks at Palestinians are every bit as much in the wrong as the Palestinians who are doing the same.

Wrong!

Palestinian's have a right to throw rocks; settler insurgents don't.

Palestinian's have legal right to resist the belligerent occupation of their land by a foreign force; not only do settler insurgents have no legal right to even be in the area, they are throwing rocks just to be mean.

Usual timely unbaked blubbering

Everyone is mean but this troll who wants to annihilate all Jews, Arabs and Palestinians in Israel.

Go figure

 

[Billo_Really]

Bullshit.

Calm down. I'm trying to tell you how to think and feel.

 

[Billo_Really]

Usual timely unbaked blubbering

Everyone is mean but this troll who wants to annihilate all Jews, Arabs and Palestinians in Israel.

Go figure

Just the Israeli right.

 

[rylah]

Usual timely unbaked blubbering

Everyone is mean but this troll who wants to annihilate all Jews, Arabs and Palestinians in Israel.

Go figure

Just the Israeli right.

Don't lie, own it, You hate Jews, Arabs and even Canada...should I quote You again?

 

[Billo_Really]

Don't lie, own it, You hate Jews, Arabs and even Canada...should I quote You again?

That's your claim; you own it!

 

[rylah]

Don't lie, own it, You hate Jews, Arabs and even Canada...should I quote You again?

That's your claim; you own it!

Lying as always:

Billo_Really's Nuclear mass murders

 

[Phoenall]

Because stoning people to death is way cooler.

**** off, Anti-Zionists. We see a stone, we target. We're tired of our graveyards being so overcrowded.

you have to be kidding. the graveyards that are crowded are not israeli graveyards - the crowded ones contain the palestinians killed by israel - and the numbers aren't even close.

More Palestinians mass murdered by Jordan in one month that Israel has killed in war over 67 years. How many Jews in Palestine have been massacred by arab muslims over the years ?

less than palestinians killed by israel. you know that to be true, why would you deny it?

Well, the goal is not to die for your country. The goal is for the OTHER guy to die for his. Israelis are just way better at fighting than Palestinians. Maybe if they stopped being so backasswards and started being constructive they could build Gaza into a tourist mecca instead of the shithole it currently is.

maybe we should start selling arms and training the palestinians.

israel and palestine aren't the same. israel receives the backing of the united states including weapons and money. the palestinians can't even raise an army.

The US has already done this and of course the Palestinians like all rabid dogs turned and bit the hand that fed them. Now they get you to whine for them about the unfairness of it all.

What do you call the tens of thousands of human shields but an army of unarmed militia, you come out with some stupid things sometimes

 

[Phoenall]

Criminal behavior carries with it the expectation of consequences.

That is nice.

don't you believe in proving guilt before carrying out justice? do you believe death is an appropriate response for a non-lethal attack?

Proving guilt before carrying out justice seems to suggest a Western standard of jurisprudence. Where in sharia are such precepts as discovery, trial by jury, evidedenciary hearings provided for?

Lastly, rock throwing can be lethal, to the throw'ee and now to the Arab throw'er.

who gives a shit about your beliefs about what sharia does or does not do? that's not what we're talking about.

i'm asking you why you think it's okay to shoot someone for a non-lethal crime, a crime in which it's possible there was not even injury, and a crime for which evidence is not always available after the fact

Non lethal? I guess all those people getting stoned to death by the Muslim extremists aren't really dead then....

water is lethal too in the right quantities. doesn't mean you shoot someone with a water balloon.

No you shoot them with freezing water out of a water cannon, knocks them of their feet and smashes the petrol bombs they are carrying. Or do the Palestinian trick and seed the water supply with deadly pathogens so that you poison the whole village making them easier to kill

 

[Phoenall]

you have to be kidding. the graveyards that are crowded are not israeli graveyards - the crowded ones contain the palestinians killed by israel - and the numbers aren't even close.

More Palestinians mass murdered by Jordan in one month that Israel has killed in war over 67 years. How many Jews in Palestine have been massacred by arab muslims over the years ?

less than palestinians killed by israel. you know that to be true, why would you deny it?

Well, the goal is not to die for your country. The goal is for the OTHER guy to die for his. Israelis are just way better at fighting than Palestinians. Maybe if they stopped being so backasswards and started being constructive they could build Gaza into a tourist mecca instead of the shithole it currently is.

maybe we should start selling arms and training the palestinians.

israel and palestine aren't the same. israel receives the backing of the united states including weapons and money. the palestinians can't even raise an army.

Maybe the Palestinians should stop being assholes and work to make Gaza the jewel on the Med it could be. The Israelis gave up a tremendous piece of land and instead of being constructive and creative the Palestinians have destroyed it.

**** them. And **** anyone who can't think beyond the point of their nose. Gaza could be a tourist mecca. Gaza could be a huge money maker. Gaza could be the engine that drives Palestinian freedom. Sadly though, it is populated by Palestinians who know nothing but death and destruction.

Didn't the same group try and destroy Egypt a few years ago, and it took a military coup to drive them out. The same group is allied to A.Q. and IS and shows their feelings for any one that does not follow extremist islam

 

[Phoenall]

don't you believe in proving guilt before carrying out justice? do you believe death is an appropriate response for a non-lethal attack?

Proving guilt before carrying out justice seems to suggest a Western standard of jurisprudence. Where in sharia are such precepts as discovery, trial by jury, evidedenciary hearings provided for?

Lastly, rock throwing can be lethal, to the throw'ee and now to the Arab throw'er.

who gives a shit about your beliefs about what sharia does or does not do? that's not what we're talking about.

i'm asking you why you think it's okay to shoot someone for a non-lethal crime, a crime in which it's possible there was not even injury, and a crime for which evidence is not always available after the fact

Non lethal? I guess all those people getting stoned to death by the Muslim extremists aren't really dead then....

water is lethal too in the right quantities. doesn't mean you shoot someone with a water balloon.

Non-sequitur much? I've been hit with untold numbers of water balloons. They don't seem to hurt much. Rocks are lethal. ARWEN isn't. For all of its menacing look it was DESIGNED to not kill. Trust me. You would far rather be shot by a baton round from ARWEN than hit by a rock.

The ones used by the British in N.I. were fired from a short barrel shotgun and tumbled in flight. A trick used was to fire at the ground in front of the terrorists and have the 12 inch baton round break apart and disable more than one person. This also made them lethal so the army banned their use in this manner.

 

[Phoenall]

you have to be kidding. the graveyards that are crowded are not israeli graveyards - the crowded ones contain the palestinians killed by israel - and the numbers aren't even close.

More Palestinians mass murdered by Jordan in one month that Israel has killed in war over 67 years. How many Jews in Palestine have been massacred by arab muslims over the years ?

less than palestinians killed by israel. you know that to be true, why would you deny it?

Well, the goal is not to die for your country. The goal is for the OTHER guy to die for his. Israelis are just way better at fighting than Palestinians. Maybe if they stopped being so backasswards and started being constructive they could build Gaza into a tourist mecca instead of the shithole it currently is.

maybe we should start selling arms and training the palestinians.

israel and palestine aren't the same. israel receives the backing of the united states including weapons and money. the palestinians can't even raise an army.

I agree, we ought to be sending them rifles, and they can protect themselves fairly, the IDF are big shots who shoot at children.

And get another 9/11 in return, you would love that wouldn't you seeing the remains of 3000 innocent Americans so you could blame the Jews for it.

The only ones who shoot at children are the Palestinians because they know they cant shoot back, then whine like a ***** in heat if they are targeted for reprisals.

 

[Phoenall]

Any indication that the IDF intend to apply this new "shoot the rock throwers" policy to the Jewish settlers throwing rocks?

When they target the IDF and Israeli civilians they will, until that time the rules don't apply.

Any chance the Palestinians will arrest the terrorists who fire illegal weapons for war crimes ?