New Book on the Vietnam War

[Picaro]

For those who might be interested, my new book on the Vietnam War has been published. It is titled Reclaiming the Vietnam War: The Betrayal of South Vietnam. It has been endorsed by Dr. Mark Moyar and Bill Laurie.

My book examines such as issues as the reign of terror imposed by the Communists on the South Vietnamese after the war, the Tet Offensive, the "decent interval," the 1954 Geneva Accords, the needless restrictions placed on our combat operations, the myth the war was unwinnable, collaboration between the anti-war movement and the North Vietnamese, President Ngo Dinh Diem's real record, and North Vietnam's failure to return all American POWs.

The book is available on Amazon as a paperback, a Kindle book, and an audio book.



Reclaiming the Vietnam War

A lot of lies, still being spread by the commies and deviants, about Viet Nam, especially lies about our alleged 'military failures'. But that is to be expected by 'academics' and Democrats who think Howard Zinn was an 'historian n stuff'. The only reason the South fell was because the Watergate Babies wanted it to die and stopped supporting the South, while the Red Chinese and Soviets kept up their aid. It was a disgrace and millions suffered and died because of the abandonment.

m. Typical democrat, LBJ disregarded the Generals and let the bureaucrats in the CIA run the mission

More rubbish. LBJ's escalation led to the defeat of the VC and available force in the South. Faced with a Pentagon who continually lied to him he did exactly what he should have done, took control of the war himself. Several Generals should have been shot, but weren't, same with some of the CIA people.
LBJ sacrificed the Presidency to do the right thing, something no Republican has ever done.

What made the Mai Lai Massacre so newsworthy was that it was such a rare occurrence. That sort of conduct by the VC and NVA were common. They operated by inducing terror in the South Vietnamese populace. Look at the conduct of the NVA and VC in Hue for concrete examples.

Exactly. There was so much media running around in Viet Nam it would have been impossible to cover up actions such as Mai Lai with any success. The slaughter was stopped by passing American Airborne troops.

 

[Picaro]

Vietnam did better under the Communists than they did under French and US occupation

We killed 2 million of them to keep them from turning Communist

lol total rubbish. all that outsourcing that you Reds loved for Red China didn't start until well after we abandoned the South to the mass murders and prison camps the northern commies inflicted on them. They would have done much better if they hadn't fallen. They were already doing better than the North.
Of course you don't want to acknowledge how many Ho killed in the North with his regime, and don't include all the southerners he assassinated in the South, nor the million who fled the North to the South.

 

[rightwinger]

lol total rubbish. all that outsourcing that you Reds loved for Red China didn't start until well after we abandoned the South to the mass murders and prison camps the northern commies inflicted on them. They would have done much better if they hadn't fallen. They were already doing better than the North.
Of course you don't want to acknowledge how many Ho killed in the North with his regime, and don't include all the southerners he assassinated in the South, nor the million who fled the North to the South.

Vietnam is becoming an economic powerhouse in Asia and is predicted to surpass Japan.

Hardly worth killing 2 million to prevent them from becoming Communist.

 

[rightwinger]

Americans wanted no part of another Korea but LBJ created a fake crisis and the mainstream media that never saw a democrat they didn't like went along with the scam. Typical democrat, LBJ disregarded the Generals and let the bureaucrats in the CIA run the mission. The liberal media supported LBJ until things went bad and then they blamed the whole thing on Nixon.

LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He was more concerned with his domestic agenda.
But he didn’t want Vietnam turning Communist on his watch and was assured that with just a few troops we could quickly turn back the NVA.

Can you identify any Doves in the Republican Party who opposed getting involved in Vietnam?

 

[Picaro]

Vietnam is becoming an economic powerhouse in Asia and is predicted to surpass Japan.

Hardly worth killing 2 million to prevent them from becoming Communist.

And they got there by selling to the U.S.. the claim that they wouldn't have gotten it otherwise is just idiot raving.

The Communists killed most of them, and another 3-4 million on top of that. You can include the dead boat people on top of that, too; they weren't fleeing the South until your beloved commie vermin came in and started butchering and robbing.

You'll just have to wet yourself and whine that there is still real info available out there. Howard Zinn and his fans were not real historians. Get over it.

 

[Picaro]

LBJ wanted no part of Vietnam. He was more concerned with his domestic agenda.
But he didn’t want Vietnam turning Communist on his watch and was assured that with just a few troops we could quickly turn back the NVA.

Can you identify any Doves in the Republican Party who opposed getting involved in Vietnam?

lol more rubbish. LBJ's escalation was exactly the right thing to do. Just because you now have dumbass isolationist Republicans channelling Jane Fonda now doesn't alter any real facts. They're into bashing all Democrats the same way you commies bash Republicans and liberal Democrats. Both of you are worthless, which is why Trump got elected, twice, in spite of massive cheating by your ilk. He's a moderate conservative, and a very effective one.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

In 1940, Germany conquered France and France abandoned Vietnam to Japanese occupation.
The Vietnamese fought the Japanese on their own.

After Japan surrendered in 1945, Ho Chi Minh begged the allies for their independence. They had earned it. The US supported French colonialism that led to a revolt in the 1950s.
When France lost…we stepped in and agreed to a North and a South with free elections.

When it became clear that the Communists would win that election, we refused to conduct them.

We forced a war that cost 2 million lives….to “protect them from communism”

Vietnam has done better under Communism than they did under colonial control.

 

[rightwinger]

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We forced a war that killed 2 million people. Just to protect them from being Communist.

50 years later, Vietnam is doing very well economically. Much better than under French Colonialism and the U.S. military.

North Korea is a good example to compare Vietnamese Communism to N Korean Communism.
Not all Communism is the same.

Trump just bragged about his trade deal with Vietnam

 

[rightwinger]

lol more rubbish. LBJ's escalation was exactly the right thing to do. Just because you now have dumbass isolationist Republicans channelling Jane Fonda now doesn't alter any real facts. They're into bashing all Democrats the same way you commies bash Republicans and liberal Democrats. Both of you are worthless, which is why Trump got elected, twice, in spite of massive cheating by your ilk. He's a moderate conservative, and a very effective one.

I lived through that era.

I remember when we first sent our Army in a combat role. We will quickly wrap this up to protect Democracy and Freedom. Our boys will be home by Christmas.

Next year we expanded the draft and sent in more troops who would turn the tide and be home by Christmas.

We did this year after year after year and Christmas came without our boys being home.

And still we have hawks like you claiming if we only stayed a little longer we would have won.

60,000 died

 

[iamwhatiseem]

We forced a war that killed 2 million people. Just to protect them from being Communist.

50 years later, Vietnam is doing very well economically. Much better than under French Colonialism and the U.S. military.

North Korea is a good example to compare Vietnamese Communism to N Korean Communism.
Not all Communism is the same.

Trump just bragged about his trade deal with Vietnam

That is a description could have been hand written by the most devout communist known. You can't get anymore one sided than this.
Vietnam war was a cluster **** on numerous levels, as was the entire Southeast Asia at the time. To say - the worst thing that happen was Americans - good God man. Was Ho Chi Min your hero? Mao a great leader? You recite Stalin before you go to bed each night?
The poverty of Vietnam prior to the war was staggeringly bad.
Under Japanese rule it is estimated between 600,000 - 2,000,000 died of starvation.

 

[rightwinger]

The poverty of Vietnam prior to the war was staggeringly bad.
Under Japanese rule it is estimated between 600,000 - 2,000,000 died of starvation.

The poverty in Vietnam was a result of French Colonialism who used the people as slave labor and sent all profits back to France.

When France fell to Germany in 1940, the French refused to defend Vietnam. Japan quickly filled the void and it was the Vietnamese who fought bitter resistance against the Japanese.
After fighting the Japanese alone for five years, the Vietnamese people believed they had earned a right to independence. Ho Chi Minh took his case to the Western Powers.
Instead, the US agreed that Vietnam should be returned to the French.

Why we ended up in a war for the next 30 years

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The poverty in Vietnam was a result of French Colonialism who used the people as slave labor and sent all profits back to France.

When France fell to Germany in 1940, the French refused to defend Vietnam. Japan quickly filled the void and it was the Vietnamese who fought bitter resistance against the Japanese.
After fighting the Japanese alone for five years, the Vietnamese people believed they had earned a right to independence. Ho Chi Minh took his case to the Western Powers.
Instead, the US agreed that Vietnam should be returned to the French.

Why we ended up in a war for the next 30 years

Dude - that area has been under constant exploitation for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Pointing out French colonialism as the cause is hilarious. They were just the most recent exploitation of the area.

 

[rightwinger]

Dude - that area has been under constant exploitation for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Pointing out French colonialism as the cause is hilarious. They were just the most recent exploitation of the area.

It is one thing to struggle economically due to our own limitations and another thing to struggle economically because a colonial power has taken control and exploits you

We now have the advantage of 50 years of hindsight and Vietnam is excelling economically. The gloom and doom of what would happen if the Commies won never happened.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

It is one thing to struggle economically due to our own limitations and another thing to struggle economically because a colonial power has taken control and exploits you

We now have the advantage of 50 years of hindsight and Vietnam is excelling economically. The gloom and doom of what would happen if the Commies won never happened.

Ask Cambodia about that theory.

 

[rightwinger]

Ask Cambodia about that theory.

Again we have the advantage of 50 years of hindsight.

If Vietnam had turned into N Korea or Cambodia we could justify killing 2 million Vietnamese and 60,000 Americans to prevent it.

But that didn’t happen and Vietnam has thrived

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Again we have the advantage of 50 years of hindsight.

If Vietnam had turned into N Korea or Cambodia we could justify killing 2 million Vietnamese and 60,000 Americans to prevent it.

But that didn’t happen and Vietnam has thrived

Haha - Vietnam would still be a cesspool if not for capitalistic reforms, foreign investments opening trade outside Vietnam. If they stayed a communism it would still be a mud pit

 

[Picaro]

I lived through that era.

I remember when we first sent our Army in a combat role. We will quickly wrap this up to protect Democracy and Freedom. Our boys will be home by Christmas.

Next year we expanded the draft and sent in more troops who would turn the tide and be home by Christmas.

We did this year after year after year and Christmas came without our boys being home.

And still we have hawks like you claiming if we only stayed a little longer we would have won.

60,000 died

If you 'lived through it' then you know the tide did turn, within 3 years of LBJ's escalation, and the North came back to the peace table, and because LBJ sacrificed re-election Nixon got elected and further escalated the bombing and also 'illegally' went into Laos and bombed the Hi Chi Min Trail, illegal also but nary a complaint from your ilk, just your fake sniveling over da evul amurkins n stuff in the media. None about the NVA sending troops into the South violating the demilitarized zones either from the left. I.E. just your dishonest lying and one-sided propaganda nonsense.

Again, your reliance on Howard Zinn and others like Noam Chomsky just makes you look dumb, as usual, another fashion victim still parroting PRavda narratives.

 

[Picaro]

Again we have the advantage of 50 years of hindsight.

And again with all that hindsight you still get it 100% wrong. lol

 

[Picaro]

The poverty in Vietnam was a result of French Colonialism who used the people as slave labor and sent all profits back to France.

When France fell to Germany in 1940, the French refused to defend Vietnam. Japan quickly filled the void and it was the Vietnamese who fought bitter resistance against the Japanese.
After fighting the Japanese alone for five years, the Vietnamese people believed they had earned a right to independence. Ho Chi Minh took his case to the Western Powers.
Instead, the US agreed that Vietnam should be returned to the French.

Why we ended up in a war for the next 30 years

And yet you love how the Commies made them even poorer. lol

Most Vietnamese farmers were small landowners, dumbass. The commies promised ' land reform', and then stole most of it form the peasants when they took over the North. over a million fled the North, and another million murdered by the commies you adore.

 

[rightwinger]

And yet you love how the Commies made them even poorer. lol

Most Vietnamese farmers were small landowners, dumbass. The commies promised ' land reform', and then stole most of it form the peasants when they took over the North. over a million fled the North, and another million murdered by the commies you adore.

Sadly for you, the reality of the past 50 years proved you wrong

Rather than the poor rice farmers scratching out a living, today Vietnam has a strong manufacturing capability and actually has a middle class
Vietnam is building modern infrastructure and has a rising GDP