New Audio Evidence of Trump & Giuliani Corruption and Official Misconduct

[Mustang]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

Sure he did. But technically, he doesn't have a criminal record.

 

[struth]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

Sure he did. But technically, he doesn't have a criminal record.

nope read the DOJ motion. Pretty obvious he didn’t

 

[Clipper]

Makes one wonder how Trump is still playing golf in Florida every day, and living Rent Free in vacuous Dimtard noggins 24/7/365

Trump is holed up in Jersey now crashing weddings instead of Mar A Loco. Always desperate for attention, the poor thing.

 

[Clipper]

Is it like when Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion loan guarantee from Ukraine if they didnt fire a prosecutor?

According to the Ukrainian government, that never happened and Hunter Biden was never actually under investigation at any point..

The investigation that Trump claimed what about Hunter Biden was actually started about nine years before Hunter Biden ever set foot in the company he was working for. And the prosecutor was fired for taking bribes as part of that investigation. he was also fired for rigging trials against Russian soldiers who were arrested for war crimes during the war over Crimea.

According to the Ukrainian government...

According to the corrupt hacks who were bribed by Biden and Obama.

On Sept 1 when Biden is still POTUS, what's the contigency date for your boy to be reinstated? Please let us know when Trump pulls another date out of his ass.

 

[struth]

Makes one wonder how Trump is still playing golf in Florida every day, and living Rent Free in vacuous Dimtard noggins 24/7/365

Trump is holed up in Jersey now crashing weddings instead of Mar A Loco. Always desperate for attention, the poor thing.

Wedding Crashers is a great movie

 

[Mustang]

Makes one wonder how Trump is still playing golf in Florida every day, and living Rent Free in vacuous Dimtard noggins 24/7/365

Trump is holed up in Jersey now crashing weddings instead of Mar A Loco. Always desperate for attention, the poor thing.

Frankly, I like the idea of Trump being holed up in NJ. While there, he can monitor the declining revenue streams from his businesses due to his 'brand' being in the toilet even as his hundreds of millions of dollars in loans are about to come due in the next few years. I have no doubt that he's looking for someone to bail him out just like his father used to do. But that's a hard sell when you're on the down side of the curve.

Stay tuned to find out who Trump will blame for his problems. Just note that Trump while Trump will always take credit for success, he will never take any of the blame himself.

 

[colfax_m]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

 

[struth]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

 

[Mustang]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

"wouldn't of"? Really?

 

[Faun]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

You may think he was exonerated but in the eyes of the law, he wasn't. He's a convicted felon who was pardoned and a pardon is not exoneration.

 

[colfax_m]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

The Trump crony at the DoJ who had nothing to do with the investigation made up an excuse for him.

Any high ranking official who is lying to their superiors about contact with foreign officials is subject to questioning. That should be obvious. The logic in the DoJ case was strained and ignored highly relevant details.

 

[WEATHER53]

Fain and colfake desperately banging the fake witch hunt drum
Their vindictiveness must be fed else wise they have no purpose in life

 

[Faun]

Fain and colfake desperately banging the fake witch hunt drum
Their vindictiveness must be fed else wise they have no purpose in life

Desperate? You do know Giuliani is being investigated for this and was raided, right? It's Giuliani who's desperate.

 

[Rigby5]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

Nonsense.
North was the person who Reagan sent to Iran in order to ensure the embassy hostages were not release until AFTER Carter had lost, and then Reagan illegally sold Iran weapons parts, which then the profits illegally went to the Contras in Nicaragua.
Oliver North probably violated more laws than anyone in all of history.

 

[struth]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

Nonsense.
North was the person who Reagan sent to Iran in order to ensure the embassy hostages were not release until AFTER Carter had lost, and then Reagan illegally sold Iran weapons parts, which then the profits illegally went to the Contras in Nicaragua.
Oliver North probably violated more laws than anyone in all of history.

hahaa what a fairy tale

 

[struth]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

The Trump crony at the DoJ who had nothing to do with the investigation made up an excuse for him.

Any high ranking official who is lying to their superiors about contact with foreign officials is subject to questioning. That should be obvious. The logic in the DoJ case was strained and ignored highly relevant details.

the DOJ is made up career officials

they merely reviewed the brady even de that they mueller team was hiding for so long

 

[colfax_m]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

The Trump crony at the DoJ who had nothing to do with the investigation made up an excuse for him.

Any high ranking official who is lying to their superiors about contact with foreign officials is subject to questioning. That should be obvious. The logic in the DoJ case was strained and ignored highly relevant details.

the DOJ is made up career officials

they merely reviewed the brady even de that they mueller team was hiding for so long

Some of the DoJ are career officials.

The one that made up excuses for Flynn was a Barr crony who was appointed, not a career prosecutor.

The career prosecutor resigned from the case and refused to sign on.

 

[Mustang]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

The Trump crony at the DoJ who had nothing to do with the investigation made up an excuse for him.

Any high ranking official who is lying to their superiors about contact with foreign officials is subject to questioning. That should be obvious. The logic in the DoJ case was strained and ignored highly relevant details.

the DOJ is made up career officials

they merely reviewed the brady even de that they mueller team was hiding for so long

Some of the DoJ are career officials.

The one that made up excuses for Flynn was a Barr crony who was appointed, not a career prosecutor.

The career prosecutor resigned from the case and refused to sign on.

Are you referring to John Durham from Connecticut?

 

[colfax_m]

Are you referring to John Durham from Connecticut?

Actually it was Timothy Shea who signed the document to drop charges.

 

[struth]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

Conservatives love to say they were exonerated even when they get off only due to a technicality.

You see, that's exactly what Oliver North said in 1990 when he got off on a technicality after being convicted the year before on 3 felony counts for his part in the Iran Contra scandal. I remember it specifically because someone stuck a microphone in his face and he used the word 'exonerated' to describe what happened when the appeals court vacated his conviction. Frankly, at the very least, I think he should have been convicted of a misrepresentation of the facts regarding the overturned verdict. At least that could be called justice.

The story is told below in an excerpt from Wikipedia

[North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 felony counts. His trial opened in February 1989, and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and ordering the destruction of documents through his secretary, Fawn Hall. He was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Gerhard Gesell on July 5, 1989, to a three-year suspended prison term, two years probation, $150,000 in fines, and 1,200 hours of community service. North performed some of his community service within Potomac Gardens, a public housing project in southeast Washington, DC. However, on July 20, 1990, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, North's convictions were vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.]

well the technically being, he didn’t violate the law

He did. He very much did. The DoJ’s pretextual argument was that he lied but the question didn’t need to be asked in the first place.

It was an absurd statement.

no the doj said even if he did lie, it wasn’t a violation because it wouldn’t of been a material fact since they already said the call was legit..there was no bases to even interview him.

Hence, they never said he lied, but even if he did it wasn’t a crime.

thus he was exonerated once we saw the brady evidence

The Trump crony at the DoJ who had nothing to do with the investigation made up an excuse for him.

Any high ranking official who is lying to their superiors about contact with foreign officials is subject to questioning. That should be obvious. The logic in the DoJ case was strained and ignored highly relevant details.

the DOJ is made up career officials

they merely reviewed the brady even de that they mueller team was hiding for so long

Some of the DoJ are career officials.

The one that made up excuses for Flynn was a Barr crony who was appointed, not a career prosecutor.

The career prosecutor resigned from the case and refused to sign on.

what excuses? did you read it? it simply applied the law.

we know from the brady material that the obama fbi said the call was legit.

if the call was legit nothing he would have lied about would have been material hence no crime