New Audio Evidence of Trump & Giuliani Corruption and Official Misconduct

[struth]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

 

[toobfreak]

Hey Freaky. Newsflash. You do know how a flag is supposed to be properly disposed of, right? (hint, it's not put through the shredder or tossed into a landfill).

Hey sphincter wart, it always amazes me what a TOTAL DOUCHE-BAG RECTAL WART you are. Flags that are worn out are disposed of MANY WAYS including burning, but it is done with RESPECT, asshole, with CEREMONY, asshole, and with music played as onlookers respectfully salute.

HERE, asshole, try reading up on it, right from the government itself:

How to Properly Dispose of Worn-Out U.S. Flags

Just as there's etiquette for displaying Old Glory, there's also etiquette for disposing of flags in a dignified manner.

www.defense.gov

It always amazes me how you alt-righters get your panties in a twist.

**** you and the broken down jackass you rode in on. People DIE to protect the flag, people DIE to advance the flag. You ain't worth my spit.

Burning the flag in protest has been a protected form of speech for decades.

News flash for ya, asshole, this country is a lot older than decades. Flag burning is just another example where this country has bent over backwards in leftist toleration of assholes like you doing stupid, offensive shit in a misguided effort to prove tolerance and to try to keep you animals in check. Had Trump stayed in office, I'm pretty sure he would have put an end to that.

Freedom to do ANYTHING makes freedom meaningless. Declaring flag burning "protected free speech" (from the GOVERNMENT stopping you) is just one more reason why this country has gone to total SHIT.

Yes asshat.

If I'm an asshat then I ought to fit your head PERFECTLY!

I was making that point that flags are disposed of by burning.

**** you Jack you lying shit. You were making a false equivalency between people burning flags in protest just because many worn out flags are destroyed respectfully with careful burning.

 

[colfax_m]

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

Inducing a country to announce an investigation into your opponent isn’t research, it’s interference. And tying that action to improving relations with the US is what makes it illegal.

what are they interfering in? it’s merely asking

there is not big illegal about making sure a country that is getting aid is also committed to rooting out. corruption

Clearly announcing a corruption investigation into a politician would be determinantal to their campaign. Trump knew this. Giuliani knew this.

Giuliani was not ever part of the Trump administration. He was a part of the campaign. Mixing campaigns and governance is illegal.

well you’d think but you all were aware of his corruption and still voted for him

We were well aware of the Trump administration and campaigns attempt to smear Biden. We also found out that the allegations were nonsense through the process of impeachment.

If there were sufficient grounds for an investigation, the DoJ would have done so. It’s not the role of the Trump campaign to do so.

of course he was running against him....

but smear? i mean a smear is the “parody” impeachment, or the russian conspiracy hoax...a smear isn’t simply talking about the facts behind the bidens ties to a corrupt company

Again, the question you don't want to answer...

What was Giuliani to gain by getting Ukraine to open an investigation into Biden?

just the world to know they were committed to the process

LOLOL

Utter nonsense. Giuliani had nothing to gain by that. The Trump campaign for the 2020 election was the only party who would gain from that.

of course they would have..not sure what your point is

What would Rudy gain from that?ou w

Because I am sure he wanted Trump to win....I mean really...geez...I suppose the same thing Clinton gained from having Steele ask people questions and do whatever he did....

Bingo. Rudy wanted Trump to win. It was political.

 

[colfax_m]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

 

[toobfreak]

YES, we likely should make all flags illegal.

Idiot. Flags are the banner of each country. It establishes domain, identity and territory.

Flag waving is about the most dangerous thing anyone could ever do, and it is always a sign of a dictatorship.

Your a globalist socialist idiot. You have pudding for gray matter. No sense trying to discuss with an idiot.

Fine rainbow flags are banned!

You heard it here, BL, the Left is telling us that burning flags is a patriotic part of American life, so BURN THOSE FLAGS!

I guess that means that the protesters at the Capitol were wrong to force entry, they should have just set the place on fire and been good PATRIOTS!

 

[Faun]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

He was prosecuting..

Regardless, yes he bragged about blackmailing Ukraine. Nothing wrong with asking about what the in the heck that was all about.

I thought I did...blackmail is a crime....it's worth investigating

LOL

Yes, blackmail is a crime. It's just not relevant to this event. I don't think you understand what blackmail is. I even told you what the relevant crime is had there been a crime and you still don't know what that crime is, demonstrating you're ineducable.

And Shokin was notorious for dragging his feet with investigations into oligarchs and other big wigs. More salient was the investigation into Burisma and Zlochevsky. He was first assigned that case to work with Great Britain and an open case they had on Zlochevsky after they froze some $23m of Zlochevsky's assets. Despite many requests for documents and information, Shokin dragged his feet on that case to the point a Great Britain court ordered the case closed and the assets released. Then Shokin was promoted to Prosecutor General where he continued dragging his feet on the Ukraine investigation into Zlochevsky. I even quoted Giuliani saying how the investigation kept getting put on hold. Shokin himself said the investigation was not active when he was pushed out.

So with no active case, Biden did not get Shokin out to help his son. If anything, according to your ignorant version of events, Biden's move hurt Hunter since he got a prosecutor fired who was stonewalling the investigation into the owner of the company for which Hunter worked.

And again, many in Ukraine wanted Shokin out, many in the EU wanted Shokin out, and the Obama administration wanted Shokin out. It wasn't Biden's call alone to make. Like Biden said, "Call him [Obama]!"

 

[Faun]

What would Rudy gain from that?

Because I am sure he wanted Trump to win....I mean really...geez...

Thanks for finally admitting that.

And that's a crime.

 

[Stryder50]

A reminder for the umpteenth time folks, taxes upon the wealthy and corporations always find a way to "trickle down" and be paid by we "smaller folks" whom are the final end consumers of the goods and services that might be provided by the investments and industry of the wealthier corporations and persons.

"The Wealthy" don't bury their wealth in coffee cans in their backyards. Such "wealth" gets reinvested into other businesses and factories providing jobs along with market value "goods and services", hence seeding economic growth. That "wealth/money" is used to grow/generate more "wealth/money".

Excess and mis-directed "taxation" only hinders and slows further wealth growth and increase, so in the long run tends to be counter productive and detrimental.

Try not being so envious of others whom have been more energetic, smarter, industrious than you and look for how to copy/emulate what they do/did to play your own role in wealth creation.

The more one makes, the more they have to share as they see fit.

 

[Faun]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

LOL

Flynn was never exonerated.

He was a convicted felon who was pardoned. The opposite of exonerated.

 

[Faun]

A reminder for the umpteenth time folks, taxes upon the wealthy and corporations always find a way to "trickle down" and be paid by we "smaller folks" whom are the final end consumers of the goods and services that might be provided by the investments and industry of the wealthier corporations and persons.

"The Wealthy" don't bury their wealth in coffee cans in their backyards. Such "wealth" gets reinvested into other businesses and factories providing jobs along with market value "goods and services", hence seeding economic growth. That "wealth/money" is used to grow/generate more "wealth/money".

Excess and mis-directed "taxation" only hinders and slows further wealth growth and increase, so in the long run tends to be counter productive and detrimental.

Try not being so envious of others whom have been more energetic, smarter, industrious than you and look for how to copy/emulate what they do/did to play your own role in wealth creation.

The more one makes, the more they have to share as they see fit.

The I don't know where the **** I am thread is over there-->

 

[WEATHER53]

Hey Freaky. Newsflash. You do know how a flag is supposed to be properly disposed of, right? (hint, it's not put through the shredder or tossed into a landfill).

Hey sphincter wart, it always amazes me what a TOTAL DOUCHE-BAG RECTAL WART you are. Flags that are worn out are disposed of MANY WAYS including burning, but it is done with RESPECT, asshole, with CEREMONY, asshole, and with music played as onlookers respectfully salute.

HERE, asshole, try reading up on it, right from the government itself:

How to Properly Dispose of Worn-Out U.S. Flags

Just as there's etiquette for displaying Old Glory, there's also etiquette for disposing of flags in a dignified manner.

www.defense.gov

It always amazes me how you alt-righters get your panties in a twist.

**** you and the broken down jackass you rode in on. People DIE to protect the flag, people DIE to advance the flag. You ain't worth my spit.

Burning the flag in protest has been a protected form of speech for decades.

News flash for ya, asshole, this country is a lot older than decades. Flag burning is just another example where this country has bent over backwards in leftist toleration of assholes like you doing stupid, offensive shit in a misguided effort to prove tolerance and to try to keep you animals in check. Had Trump stayed in office, I'm pretty sure he would have put an end to that.

Freedom to do ANYTHING makes freedom meaningless. Declaring flag burning "protected free speech" (from the GOVERNMENT stopping you) is just one more reason why this country has gone to total SHIT.

Yes asshat. I was making that point that flags are disposed of by burning. And you getting your panties all wet over people burning the flag. Men and women did die for the flag. They also died so people could burn it in protest. And also so that whiny little bitches like yourself could feel free to complain about it. Again, you righties are all about symbols. Not substance. And keep your spit to yourself. I don't want any part of your bedroom behaviors.
Keep it classy, Freaky.

Nobody ever signed up for the military with the notion that they put their life In jeopardy so others could burn flags.
The simple ass shit you lib loons offer up is...well...simple ass shit

 

[Stryder50]

A reminder for the umpteenth time folks, taxes upon the wealthy and corporations always find a way to "trickle down" and be paid by we "smaller folks" whom are the final end consumers of the goods and services that might be provided by the investments and industry of the wealthier corporations and persons.

"The Wealthy" don't bury their wealth in coffee cans in their backyards. Such "wealth" gets reinvested into other businesses and factories providing jobs along with market value "goods and services", hence seeding economic growth. That "wealth/money" is used to grow/generate more "wealth/money".

Excess and mis-directed "taxation" only hinders and slows further wealth growth and increase, so in the long run tends to be counter productive and detrimental.

Try not being so envious of others whom have been more energetic, smarter, industrious than you and look for how to copy/emulate what they do/did to play your own role in wealth creation.

The more one makes, the more they have to share as they see fit.

The I don't know where the **** I am thread is over there-->

Thank you parasitic deadwood scum ...

 

[Faun]

A reminder for the umpteenth time folks, taxes upon the wealthy and corporations always find a way to "trickle down" and be paid by we "smaller folks" whom are the final end consumers of the goods and services that might be provided by the investments and industry of the wealthier corporations and persons.

"The Wealthy" don't bury their wealth in coffee cans in their backyards. Such "wealth" gets reinvested into other businesses and factories providing jobs along with market value "goods and services", hence seeding economic growth. That "wealth/money" is used to grow/generate more "wealth/money".

Excess and mis-directed "taxation" only hinders and slows further wealth growth and increase, so in the long run tends to be counter productive and detrimental.

Try not being so envious of others whom have been more energetic, smarter, industrious than you and look for how to copy/emulate what they do/did to play your own role in wealth creation.

The more one makes, the more they have to share as they see fit.

The I don't know where the **** I am thread is over there-->

Thank you parasitic deadwood scum ...

Hey, I'm here to help.

 

[struth]

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

Inducing a country to announce an investigation into your opponent isn’t research, it’s interference. And tying that action to improving relations with the US is what makes it illegal.

what are they interfering in? it’s merely asking

there is not big illegal about making sure a country that is getting aid is also committed to rooting out. corruption

Clearly announcing a corruption investigation into a politician would be determinantal to their campaign. Trump knew this. Giuliani knew this.

Giuliani was not ever part of the Trump administration. He was a part of the campaign. Mixing campaigns and governance is illegal.

well you’d think but you all were aware of his corruption and still voted for him

We were well aware of the Trump administration and campaigns attempt to smear Biden. We also found out that the allegations were nonsense through the process of impeachment.

If there were sufficient grounds for an investigation, the DoJ would have done so. It’s not the role of the Trump campaign to do so.

of course he was running against him....

but smear? i mean a smear is the “parody” impeachment, or the russian conspiracy hoax...a smear isn’t simply talking about the facts behind the bidens ties to a corrupt company

Again, the question you don't want to answer...

What was Giuliani to gain by getting Ukraine to open an investigation into Biden?

just the world to know they were committed to the process

LOLOL

Utter nonsense. Giuliani had nothing to gain by that. The Trump campaign for the 2020 election was the only party who would gain from that.

of course they would have..not sure what your point is

What would Rudy gain from that?ou w

Because I am sure he wanted Trump to win....I mean really...geez...I suppose the same thing Clinton gained from having Steele ask people questions and do whatever he did....

Bingo. Rudy wanted Trump to win. It was political.

sure he wanted him to win. I don’t think the Bidens corruption was political it was just about getting rich

 

[struth]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

You could try and fail. There was no exoneration of Flynn. Only corrupt politicians covering their asses.

did you not read the release brady evidence and the DOJ’s report?

 

[Faun]

Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

Inducing a country to announce an investigation into your opponent isn’t research, it’s interference. And tying that action to improving relations with the US is what makes it illegal.

what are they interfering in? it’s merely asking

there is not big illegal about making sure a country that is getting aid is also committed to rooting out. corruption

Clearly announcing a corruption investigation into a politician would be determinantal to their campaign. Trump knew this. Giuliani knew this.

Giuliani was not ever part of the Trump administration. He was a part of the campaign. Mixing campaigns and governance is illegal.

well you’d think but you all were aware of his corruption and still voted for him

We were well aware of the Trump administration and campaigns attempt to smear Biden. We also found out that the allegations were nonsense through the process of impeachment.

If there were sufficient grounds for an investigation, the DoJ would have done so. It’s not the role of the Trump campaign to do so.

of course he was running against him....

but smear? i mean a smear is the “parody” impeachment, or the russian conspiracy hoax...a smear isn’t simply talking about the facts behind the bidens ties to a corrupt company

Again, the question you don't want to answer...

What was Giuliani to gain by getting Ukraine to open an investigation into Biden?

just the world to know they were committed to the process

LOLOL

Utter nonsense. Giuliani had nothing to gain by that. The Trump campaign for the 2020 election was the only party who would gain from that.

of course they would have..not sure what your point is

What would Rudy gain from that?ou w

Because I am sure he wanted Trump to win....I mean really...geez...I suppose the same thing Clinton gained from having Steele ask people questions and do whatever he did....

Bingo. Rudy wanted Trump to win. It was political.

sure he wanted him to win. I don’t think the Bidens corruption was political it was just about getting rich

Sadly, just as you're incapable of understanding what blackmail is, rendering you incapable of proving it occurred -- you're equally incapable of understanding what what was corrupt on Biden's part, rendering you incapable of proving he acted corruptly.

 

[Mustang]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

The prosecution of McDonnell AND his wife was righteous.

From Wikipedia

[On January 21, 2014, McDonnell and his wife were indicted on federal corruption charges. The charges followed a months-long federal investigation into gifts McDonnell received from a political donor.[214][215] They were charged with fourteen different counts relating to their acceptance of more than $135,000 in gifts, including a Rolex watch, loans, trips and other items from Jonnie Williams Sr., former CEO of Star Scientific, a company developing a compound called anatabine as a dietary supplement and as a drug.]

The SC did not overturn the conviction. The SC vacated (unanimously, I should add) the guilty verdict on the technicality that the term "official act" was too broad, but they left open the option to retry McConnell on a more restrictive definition of the term.

As for Flynn, he pled guilty. Later on, he changed lawyers and withdrew his guilty plea. While his sentencing hearing was postponed. Barr's DOJ decided to drop the charges after President Trump called for the charges to be dropped. Frankly, it's unprecedented for a president to publicly interfere in any prosecution of his own Justice Dept,, and it looks even worse considering that Flynn was a political supporter. Additionally, Trump has repeatedly granted pardons or clemency to his political supporters even after they've pled guilty or been convicted which basically comes down to a license to commit crimes and escape punishment even after being caught and tried for their crimes. Roger Stone and Paul Manafort immediately come to mind.

What I know is this: If Obama had ever done anything like this for political supporters who had been tried and convicted, conservatives would be screaming bloody murder, but you guys fully support these pardons. That tells me that right versus wrong, and legal versus illegal conduct don't mean anything to conservatives, and conservatives' claims to having conservative principles is utter nonsense. That's because you don't care about crimes if and when they're committed by conservatives for conservative causes, and you're fine with them getting away with it too.

As for me, if crimes are committed by anyone, regardless of political affiliation, or if any politician is guilty of corruption, I'm perfectly fine with a prosecution and imprisonment.

That means >I< have real principles and conservatives have no principles.

 

[struth]

What would Rudy gain from that?

Because I am sure he wanted Trump to win....I mean really...geez...

Thanks for finally admitting that.

And that's a crime.

sorry....maybe in leftist totalarian states it's a crime to want someone other then your party's nominee to win, but it's not in the United States

 

[struth]

"Xiden withheld money from the country until they canned the guy looking into his son’s corrupt company"

Really?​

Poster Struth you still haven't found the clue?
At this point I, for one, question your sincerity in this discussion.
It appears to be either trolling for trolling sakes.....or........willful ignorance.

There have been several posts on this thread explaining the whys and whyfor's of this kerfuffle.
And yet you persist.

Joe Biden didn't have the authority as merely the Vice President to withhold such monies.
He did have the authority...directly given to him by his boss after consultation with the State Department and European governments.....to carry their message to the Ukrainian president.
Which, he did.

It is how international diplomacy works. Duh!
If one's regular corps of diplomats is unable to make progress on an issue our nation feels is against our interest, well, you then send in a bigger gun.....a Secretary of one department or another, maybe one of the Joint Chiefs, maybe a top general, an important business leader.....or you can send in a Vice President who is long experienced in America's foreign relations .

You do all of that as "official American policy".
Duh!

he’s on TV bragging about how he did it

not sure why or how someone from Europe would have authority to do that...

Bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor, who wouldn't prosecute, fired.

That was a fine accomplishment and not at all the crime you couldn't even properly identify.

Conservatives would love corrupt prosecutors because then they'd be able to prosecute their political opponents just like Putin does.

After all, when conservatives yelled "lock her (Hillary) up," it was more than rhetorical flourish. They really wanted it to happen.

Remember when the Obama DOJ went after GOP rising star Bob McDonnell? Only to have the SCOTUS overturn that conviction?

Remember when Xiden, Obama and the Obamagate gang colluded in the Oval Office to undermine the Trump admin, and go after Flynn? Only to finally have the Brady evidence released that exonerated him?

Yeah...I could go on....

The prosecution of McDonnell AND his wife was righteous.

From Wikipedia

[On January 21, 2014, McDonnell and his wife were indicted on federal corruption charges. The charges followed a months-long federal investigation into gifts McDonnell received from a political donor.[214][215] They were charged with fourteen different counts relating to their acceptance of more than $135,000 in gifts, including a Rolex watch, loans, trips and other items from Jonnie Williams Sr., former CEO of Star Scientific, a company developing a compound called anatabine as a dietary supplement and as a drug.]

The SC did not overturn the conviction. The SC vacated (unanimously, I should add) the guilty verdict on the technicality that the term "official act" was too broad, but they left open the option to retry McConnell on a more restrictive definition of the term.

As for Flynn, he pled guilty. Later on, he changed lawyers and withdrew his guilty plea. While his sentencing hearing was postponed. Barr's DOJ decided to drop the charges after President Trump called for the charges to be dropped. Frankly, it's unprecedented for a president to publicly interfere in any prosecution of his own Justice Dept,, and it looks even worse considering that Flynn was a political supporter. Additionally, Trump has repeatedly granted pardons or clemency to his political supporters even after they've pled guilty or been convicted which basically comes down to a license to commit crimes and escape punishment even after being caught and tried for their crimes. Roger Stone and Paul Manafort immediately come to mind.

What I know is this: If Obama had ever done anything like this for political supporters who had been tried and convicted, conservatives would be screaming bloody murder, but you guys fully support these pardons. That tells me that right versus wrong, and legal versus illegal conduct don't mean anything to conservatives, and conservatives' claims to having conservative principles is utter nonsense. That's because you don't care about crimes if and when they're committed by conservatives for conservative causes, and you're fine with them getting away with it too.

As for me, if crimes are committed by anyone, regardless of political affiliation, or if any politician is guilty of corruption, I'm perfectly fine with a prosecution and imprisonment.

That means >I< have real principles and conservatives have no principles.

yeah it was so rightous the SCOTUS overturned it...geez

Flynn withdrew his plea after he got new lawyers, and was awaiting sentencing, when those new lawyers were able to push and push, and finally the Mueller team released the brady evidence clearing him

Yes, Trump gave pardons or clemancy to political friends...sure...so has every other President.

 

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Rudy was being paid...moreover is an american...he’s allowed to investigate and collect Op Reseach!

Inducing a country to announce an investigation into your opponent isn’t research, it’s interference. And tying that action to improving relations with the US is what makes it illegal.

what are they interfering in? it’s merely asking

there is not big illegal about making sure a country that is getting aid is also committed to rooting out. corruption

Clearly announcing a corruption investigation into a politician would be determinantal to their campaign. Trump knew this. Giuliani knew this.

Giuliani was not ever part of the Trump administration. He was a part of the campaign. Mixing campaigns and governance is illegal.

well you’d think but you all were aware of his corruption and still voted for him

We were well aware of the Trump administration and campaigns attempt to smear Biden. We also found out that the allegations were nonsense through the process of impeachment.

If there were sufficient grounds for an investigation, the DoJ would have done so. It’s not the role of the Trump campaign to do so.

of course he was running against him....

but smear? i mean a smear is the “parody” impeachment, or the russian conspiracy hoax...a smear isn’t simply talking about the facts behind the bidens ties to a corrupt company

Again, the question you don't want to answer...

What was Giuliani to gain by getting Ukraine to open an investigation into Biden?

just the world to know they were committed to the process

LOLOL

Utter nonsense. Giuliani had nothing to gain by that. The Trump campaign for the 2020 election was the only party who would gain from that.

of course they would have..not sure what your point is

What would Rudy gain from that?ou w

Because I am sure he wanted Trump to win....I mean really...geez...I suppose the same thing Clinton gained from having Steele ask people questions and do whatever he did....

Bingo. Rudy wanted Trump to win. It was political.

sure he wanted him to win. I don’t think the Bidens corruption was political it was just about getting rich

Sadly, just as you're incapable of understanding what blackmail is, rendering you incapable of proving it occurred -- you're equally incapable of understanding what what was corrupt on Biden's part, rendering you incapable of proving he acted corruptly.

I suppose not in the traditional sense...extortion is a better term here...good point