Netanyahu to Attend a USS Liberty Memorial?

[Fenton Lum]

What proxy war have you fought in then ?

Get back double what you pay out, yet give the arabs 10 times as much with nothing in return other than mass murder of your citizens

"What proxy war have you fought in then ?"

The US, you remember?

"Get back double what you pay out, yet give the arabs 10 times as much with nothing in return other than mass murder of your citizens"

You're making shit up again. "Double"? "10 times"? Bullshit, pulling random numbers out your ass.

So you have fought in the US of A against whom ?

No facts as most of the USA's research and development is done by Israel, and Israel is contracted to buy US weapons at full price using the loans you think are aid.

I leave the LIES to you and the rest of team Palestine.

I guess this reads like some kind of argument to you?

most of the USA's research and development is done by Israel

Bullshit, gonna need evidence, remember what you typed: most of the USA's research and development is done by Israel

Israel is contracted to buy US weapons at full price using the loans you think are aid

Let's accept that at face value since you couldn't support it anyway. And you think that's a good thing? That US taxpayers are providing socialist subsidies to arms manufacturers and dealers keeping the middle east in turmoil?

Endless war at the outter reaches of empire is not a good sign for this society going forward.

Like this you mean



Economy of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israeli defense equipment exports have reached 7 billion U.S. dollars in 2012, making it a 20 percent increase from the amount of defense-related exports in 2011. Much of the exports are sold to the United States.



The problem is the US sells weapons to the islamonazi countries at cut prices, anything up to 50% off what Israel pays. All down to Israel subsidising the defence industry, and doing the research for such things as Iron Dome that the US has now bought the rights to.

Ouch, that's gonna hurt.

Not really, not at all. Let's review shall we?

"most of the USA's research and development is done by Israel"

Bullshit, gonna need evidence, remember what you typed: most of the USA's research and development is done by Israel

That was totally unanswered byt the poster.

And you think that's a good thing? That US taxpayers are providing socialist subsidies to arms manufacturers and dealers keeping the middle east in turmoil?

Again, totally unanswered.

And even more troubling, US arms makers suplly arms to both sides and subsidize the purchases by both sides.

Which brings me back to:

Endless war [for profit] at the outter reaches of empire is not a good sign for this society going forward.

 

[ogibillm]

"The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American, and British-owned civilian targets, cinemas, libraries and American educational centers."

Lavon Affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, and let's not forget another antisemtic favorite. Ha ha ha.

ard you saying that didn't happen?

I'm saying it has nothing to do with the topic. Jew hating scum usually has a list they keep bringing up, because as I said before, they got nothing else.

it goes to the point that Israel will attack innocents if it suits their goals

Allegations having nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

israel tried to use a false flag operation to bring the us and britain to its aid. that's not an allegation, it's history.

and while there is no direct connection to the liberty it's a short jump to believe that if they thought attacking the liberty would benefit israel the green light qould jave been given

 

[Fenton Lum]

"My Israeli relatives never stop talking about, or marvelling at, America."

And why wouldn't they. We fight their proxy wars for them, hand them about 20% or so of the funding for their defense budget, and back them no matter what they ever do, atrocities and all.

What proxy war have you fought in then ?

Get back double what you pay out, yet give the arabs 10 times as much with nothing in return other than mass murder of your citizens

"What proxy war have you fought in then ?"

The US, you remember?

"Get back double what you pay out, yet give the arabs 10 times as much with nothing in return other than mass murder of your citizens"

You're making shit up again. "Double"? "10 times"? Bullshit, pulling random numbers out your ass.

So you have fought in the US of A against whom ?

No facts as most of the USA's research and development is done by Israel, and Israel is contracted to buy US weapons at full price using the loans you think are aid.

I leave the LIES to you and the rest of team Palestine.

I guess this reads like some kind of argument to you?

most of the USA's research and development is done by Israel

Bullshit, gonna need evidence, remember what you typed: most of the USA's research and development is done by Israel

Israel is contracted to buy US weapons at full price using the loans you think are aid

Let's accept that at face value since you couldn't support it anyway. And you think that's a good thing? That US taxpayers are providing socialist subsidies to arms manufacturers and dealers keeping the middle east in turmoil?

Endless war at the outter reaches of empire is not a good sign for this society going forward.

Like this you mean



Economy of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israeli defense equipment exports have reached 7 billion U.S. dollars in 2012, making it a 20 percent increase from the amount of defense-related exports in 2011. Much of the exports are sold to the United States.



The problem is the US sells weapons to the islamonazi countries at cut prices, anything up to 50% off what Israel pays. All down to Israel subsidising the defence industry, and doing the research for such things as Iron Dome that the US has now bought the rights to.

Can't tell who's point you're attempting to make, yours or mine.

Endless war for profit at the outter reaches of empire is not a good sign for this society going forward. And we're supplying arms to all sides with american taxpayers subsidizing the purchasing of arms that eventually get turned back on the US. Amazing.

 

[ogibillm]

Depends upon whether they were white and had money.

Serving soldiers that were doing the work the US troops found too dangerous, and the US bombed then even with the electronic idents and the right markings for that day. If the British government backed the families demands the US would be morally bankrupt and shown to be the worst offender for friendly fire incidents.

So you're saying the US troops pussed out of the mission?

Phoenell is British. There were quite a few friendly fire incidents in both Gulf Wars. For some reason, they are not as famous as the Liberty incident.

it's a lot easier to shell the wrong people once than it is to repeatedly attack a clearly marked ship

Since when has it been US policy to carry oversize flags on naval vessels, at least 5 times the size of a normal flag. And when you consider that Israel was told that USS Liberty was in international waters 100 miles away it would be so easy to confuse USS Liberty with any of the other Liberty class vessels out there. And for the record the vessel was exactly the same size and displacement as the horse carrier being sister ships. And they were both war surplus from WW2

the liberty was not surplus and not a liberty class vessel

 

[Roudy]

Yeah, and let's not forget another antisemtic favorite. Ha ha ha.

ard you saying that didn't happen?

I'm saying it has nothing to do with the topic. Jew hating scum usually has a list they keep bringing up, because as I said before, they got nothing else.

it goes to the point that Israel will attack innocents if it suits their goals

Allegations having nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

israel tried to use a false flag operation to bring the us and britain to its aid. that's not an allegation, it's history.

and while there is no direct connection to the liberty it's a short jump to believe that if they thought attacking the liberty would benefit israel the green light qould jave been given

For Jew haters everything is a short jump. It has nothing to do with the topic only to demonize Jews and Israel. If a spy ship is truly a spy ship then by definition its nature and location has to be hidden from those it wishes to spy on. There were nine investigations by the US govt. and they all concluded the same thing, that it was an accident. That is a matter of historical fact.

 

[ogibillm]

ard you saying that didn't happen?

I'm saying it has nothing to do with the topic. Jew hating scum usually has a list they keep bringing up, because as I said before, they got nothing else.

it goes to the point that Israel will attack innocents if it suits their goals

Allegations having nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

israel tried to use a false flag operation to bring the us and britain to its aid. that's not an allegation, it's history.

and while there is no direct connection to the liberty it's a short jump to believe that if they thought attacking the liberty would benefit israel the green light qould jave been given

For Jew haters everything is a short jump. It has nothing to do with the topic only to demonize Jews and Israel. If a spy ship is truly a spy ship then by definition its nature and location has to be hidden from those it wishes to spy on.

not really.

There were nine investigations by the US govt. and they all concluded the same thing, that it was an accident. That is a matter of historical fact.

it was in our interests to preserve the relationship with israel.

it may well have been an error. israel's history and the circumstances make me question that

 

[ForeverYoung436]

What was the Liberty even doing in the middle of a war zone, while Israel was hunting Egyptian submarines? Why did they put themselves in harm's way?

 

[Fenton Lum]

ard you saying that didn't happen?

I'm saying it has nothing to do with the topic. Jew hating scum usually has a list they keep bringing up, because as I said before, they got nothing else.

it goes to the point that Israel will attack innocents if it suits their goals

Allegations having nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

israel tried to use a false flag operation to bring the us and britain to its aid. that's not an allegation, it's history.

and while there is no direct connection to the liberty it's a short jump to believe that if they thought attacking the liberty would benefit israel the green light qould jave been given

For Jew haters everything is a short jump. It has nothing to do with the topic only to demonize Jews and Israel. If a spy ship is truly a spy ship then by definition its nature and location has to be hidden from those it wishes to spy on. There were nine investigations by the US govt. and they all concluded the same thing, that it was an accident. That is a matter of historical fact.

Anyone who ever questions anything the Israeli govt does is a "Jew hater" to you.

 

[Roudy]

What was the Liberty even doing in the middle of a war zone, while Israel was hunting Egyptian submarines? Why did they put themselves in harm's way?

Probably the US was keeping an eye in case the shit hit the fan with Israel and they needed to step in. Since they weren't official allies at the time, the Liberty did not inform the Israelis they were there.

 

[Roudy]

I'm saying it has nothing to do with the topic. Jew hating scum usually has a list they keep bringing up, because as I said before, they got nothing else.

it goes to the point that Israel will attack innocents if it suits their goals

Allegations having nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

israel tried to use a false flag operation to bring the us and britain to its aid. that's not an allegation, it's history.

and while there is no direct connection to the liberty it's a short jump to believe that if they thought attacking the liberty would benefit israel the green light qould jave been given

For Jew haters everything is a short jump. It has nothing to do with the topic only to demonize Jews and Israel. If a spy ship is truly a spy ship then by definition its nature and location has to be hidden from those it wishes to spy on. There were nine investigations by the US govt. and they all concluded the same thing, that it was an accident. That is a matter of historical fact.

Anyone who ever questions anything the Israeli govt does is a "Jew hater" to you.

When you cite an irrelvant list of incidents involving Jews or Israel to support another false allegation, that's a pretty good sign we're dealing with Jew hating scum.

 

[Fenton Lum]

it goes to the point that Israel will attack innocents if it suits their goals

Allegations having nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

israel tried to use a false flag operation to bring the us and britain to its aid. that's not an allegation, it's history.

and while there is no direct connection to the liberty it's a short jump to believe that if they thought attacking the liberty would benefit israel the green light qould jave been given

For Jew haters everything is a short jump. It has nothing to do with the topic only to demonize Jews and Israel. If a spy ship is truly a spy ship then by definition its nature and location has to be hidden from those it wishes to spy on. There were nine investigations by the US govt. and they all concluded the same thing, that it was an accident. That is a matter of historical fact.

Anyone who ever questions anything the Israeli govt does is a "Jew hater" to you.

When you cite an irrelvant list of incidents involving Jews or Israel to support another false allegation, that's a pretty good sign we're dealing with Jew hating scum.

That's what you say to anyone who won't rubber stamp your posts, it means nothing more.

 

[Roudy]

Allegations having nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

israel tried to use a false flag operation to bring the us and britain to its aid. that's not an allegation, it's history.

and while there is no direct connection to the liberty it's a short jump to believe that if they thought attacking the liberty would benefit israel the green light qould jave been given

For Jew haters everything is a short jump. It has nothing to do with the topic only to demonize Jews and Israel. If a spy ship is truly a spy ship then by definition its nature and location has to be hidden from those it wishes to spy on. There were nine investigations by the US govt. and they all concluded the same thing, that it was an accident. That is a matter of historical fact.

Anyone who ever questions anything the Israeli govt does is a "Jew hater" to you.

When you cite an irrelvant list of incidents involving Jews or Israel to support another false allegation, that's a pretty good sign we're dealing with Jew hating scum.

That's what you say to anyone who won't rubber stamp your posts, it means nothing more.

Yes Israel shot at the Liberty, it was a case of mistaken identity and was proven an accident. Wanna bring it up a thousand more times? Go ahead. It won't change anything.

 

[Fenton Lum]

israel tried to use a false flag operation to bring the us and britain to its aid. that's not an allegation, it's history.

and while there is no direct connection to the liberty it's a short jump to believe that if they thought attacking the liberty would benefit israel the green light qould jave been given

For Jew haters everything is a short jump. It has nothing to do with the topic only to demonize Jews and Israel. If a spy ship is truly a spy ship then by definition its nature and location has to be hidden from those it wishes to spy on. There were nine investigations by the US govt. and they all concluded the same thing, that it was an accident. That is a matter of historical fact.

Anyone who ever questions anything the Israeli govt does is a "Jew hater" to you.

When you cite an irrelvant list of incidents involving Jews or Israel to support another false allegation, that's a pretty good sign we're dealing with Jew hating scum.

That's what you say to anyone who won't rubber stamp your posts, it means nothing more.

Yes Israel shot at the Liberty, it was a case of mistaken identity and was proven an accident. Wanna bring it up a thousand more times? Go ahead. It won't change anything.

I didn't bring it up here shoog, you're just Pavlovian when it comes to Israel.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Abstract
Laffiteau, Charles A.

Jewish Terrorism and the Creation of the State of Israel

Since the destruction of Israel appears to be a shared goal of Palestinian and Islamic terrorist groups, an examination of the role Jewish terrorism played in the creation and expansion of the state of Israel as one of the causal explanations for the current use of terrorism by Palestinian and Islamic terrorist groups is also warranted. Terrorism was used by adherents of the Jewish religion many centuries before it was ever used by Christians, Muslim and other types of religious extremists. Therefore, the focus of this essay will be on literature that analyzes and discusses the case of Jewish terrorist groups, such as the Irgun and the Stern Group, and the role played by Jewish Zionist terrorism in the creation of the state of Israel as well as in expanding
Israel‟s borders since 1948. The
paucity of literature about the history of Jewish Zionist terrorism, as compared to the wealth of recent literature focused on Islamic terrorism, also shows that much more research is needed on all different types of religiously inspired violent terrorism.

Read further?

Jewish Terrorism and the Creation of the State of Israel

Zionist political violence refers to acts of violence committed by Zionists, otherwise known as Zionist terrorism.
Actions have been carried out by individuals and Jewish paramilitary groups such as the Irgun, the Lehi, the Haganah and the Palmach as part of a conflict between Jews, British authorities, and Palestinian Arabs, regarding land, immigration, and control over Palestine.[1]
British soldiers and officials, United Nations personnel, Palestinian Arab fighters and civilians, and Jewish fighters and civilians have been targets or victims of these actions. Domestic, commercial, and government property, infrastructure, and material have also been attacked.

Read further?

Zionist political violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Past Zionist-Jewish Terrorism -
Some Historical Facts
Past Zionist-Jewish Terrorism - Some Historical Facts

Why Israel is suddenly owning up to its terrorism
Why Israel is suddenly owning up to its terrorism

ISRAEL'S SACRED TERRORISM
ISRAEL'S SACRED TERRORISM: Contents and Foreword

ZIONIST “ISRAELI” ACTS OF TERRORISM 1939 -1974
Israeli Terrorist Groups

 

[ForeverYoung436]

For Jew haters everything is a short jump. It has nothing to do with the topic only to demonize Jews and Israel. If a spy ship is truly a spy ship then by definition its nature and location has to be hidden from those it wishes to spy on. There were nine investigations by the US govt. and they all concluded the same thing, that it was an accident. That is a matter of historical fact.

Anyone who ever questions anything the Israeli govt does is a "Jew hater" to you.

When you cite an irrelvant list of incidents involving Jews or Israel to support another false allegation, that's a pretty good sign we're dealing with Jew hating scum.

That's what you say to anyone who won't rubber stamp your posts, it means nothing more.

Yes Israel shot at the Liberty, it was a case of mistaken identity and was proven an accident. Wanna bring it up a thousand more times? Go ahead. It won't change anything.

I didn't bring it up here shoog, you're just Pavlovian when it comes to Israel.

I'm willing to bet that Fenton Lum and ogbillim have never been to Israel. If they have, then they would've seen the signs in the stores and on products that say, "Just like in America." They would've heard Israelis say, "We're a little America." Recently, my cousin, his wife and 3 kids left Israel to come live here. He posted an Instagram of himself on the plane coming here with the caption, "My dream is coming true". His first night out with his wife to a restaurant warranted another picture, and his friends in Israel all oohed and ahhed. 50 years ago it was the same deal. I think my mom married my dad because he came as an American tourist to Israel, and she wanted him to take her back to America with him. You people just don't know the culture there. Taking down an Arab ship is OK, but not taking down an American ship. And this was true even 50 years ago.

 

[montelatici]

Israel is no "little America". Stop insulting a secular, multi-cultural, democratic society like the U.S. by comparing it to an oppressive Apartheid Jewish theocracy where half the population ruled can't vote because they are Christians or Muslim.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Israel is no "little America". Stop insulting a secular, multi-cultural, democratic society like the U.S. by comparing it to an oppressive Apartheid Jewish theocracy where half the population ruled can't vote because they are Christians or Muslim.

Israel is VERY secular. The government doesn't reflect the people.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Israel is no "little America". Stop insulting a secular, multi-cultural, democratic society like the U.S. by comparing it to an oppressive Apartheid Jewish theocracy where half the population ruled can't vote because they are Christians or Muslim.

Israel is VERY secular. The government doesn't reflect the people.

OK, I'll give you an example. My family here spends Saturday in a synagogue. My family there spends Saturday on the beaches.

 

[Bleipriester]

Israel is no "little America". Stop insulting a secular, multi-cultural, democratic society like the U.S. by comparing it to an oppressive Apartheid Jewish theocracy where half the population ruled can't vote because they are Christians or Muslim.

Israel is VERY secular. The government doesn't reflect the people.

OK, I'll give you an example. My family here spends Saturday in a synagogue. My family there spends Saturday on the beaches.

As far as I know are the ultra-conservative Jews on the rise. Their birth rate is far above the western Israelis´ one.

 

[montelatici]

Israel is no "little America". Stop insulting a secular, multi-cultural, democratic society like the U.S. by comparing it to an oppressive Apartheid Jewish theocracy where half the population ruled can't vote because they are Christians or Muslim.

Israel is VERY secular. The government doesn't reflect the people.

OK, I'll give you an example. My family here spends Saturday in a synagogue. My family there spends Saturday on the beaches.

Seems like there is a religious litmus test for citizenship. That's a characteristic of a theocracy.

"Israeli Court Rules Jews for Jesus Cannot Automatically Be Citizens

JERUSALEM, Dec. 26— Messianic Jews are not entitled to automatic Israeli citizenship, Israel's Supreme Court has ruled, concluding that their belief that Jesus was the Messiah makes them Christians instead of Jews."

Israeli Court Rules Jews for Jesus Cannot Automatically Be Citizens