"Net Neutrality is the Obamacare of the Internet..."

[Luddly Neddite]

I'm not sure how many others are, but I am, and without any subsidy. I couldn't get insurance at any price. My insurance company dropped me after my first bypass surgery, and none of the others would sell insurance to me at any price because of my pre existing condition. Don't tell me the emergency room was a viable option. They will help someone who is in the middle of a heart attack, or other traumatic injury, but that's the end of their function. The emergency room does not, and can not take the place of regular medical care. Since the massive amounts of bankruptcies are caused by medical expenses, it's obvious I'm not the only one who benefits from Obamacare.

Let me get this straight. Your insurance company dropped you because you had an insurance claim which is against the law. Then you join up with Obamacare for a cheap rate so you can force your fellow citizens to pay your way in life instead of forcing the insurance company that dropped you to pay for the health care you bought from them. Then you have the balls to claim that this is ok because you bet other people are screwing over the country the same way you are. ROFL Sorry to hear about your condition. But just because you want to be the six million dollar man does not mean I should be taxed to death to make that happen for you.

Obviously you have comprehension problems. They dropped me after paying off a claim, because they knew I would probably have more claims in the future. Dropping me was perfectly legal, and standard procedure for insurance companies before Obamacare. I now buy insurance with my own money, (no subsidy, because I don't qualify for one) and the price is set by my insurance company. Of course Obamacare prevents some of the gouging that was SOP, and they are obligated to sell it to me at a price that they can still make money. How do you think I'm screwing anybody?

ROFL you are the one gouging. And you sure as hell are being subsidized. Your health care costs more than the average person, correct? What makes you think you have the right to force someone that does not have a heart condition to pay for your share? FYI.. even if you don't get a subsidy, tax payer funds are still being used to shore up your plan, the funds are being sent directly to the providers from the tax payers. Under the old system you would have qualified for corba, correct? But corba would have cost YOU more money correct?

Cobra did cost me more money. A lot more. It only lasted for 18 months though. After that, you're screwed. Emergency room trips with no insurance was certainly coming out of taxpayer pockets. I am much happier buying my own insurance with my own money. I'm telling you this is how it works. If Hannity told you different, then he is lying.

Yeah well you should have had to pay for your emergency room trips. Making those free was the first dumb thing the feds did wrt screwing us all over and raising the prices on everything. I guess I should be grateful you are working at all nudge...

On a more serious note... Why didn't you just find a job where you could get on a group plan.. or did you make that life choice based on ACA? I'm curious, as I know quite a few folks in your situation that had to either go broke and get on medicaid or switch jobs to get on a group plan.

Funny thing is, you just described how and why ObamaCare is a good thing.

Emergency room = Reagan's socialist, tax-subsidized, health care plan.
Medicaid = tax subsidized.
Insurance, both before and after ACA = the healthy pay for the sick.

Its simply how ALL insurance works. It has always been the way insurance works and it will always be the way insurance works. Learn and understand this one fact and the rest will make sense to you.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Let me get this straight. Your insurance company dropped you because you had an insurance claim which is against the law. Then you join up with Obamacare for a cheap rate so you can force your fellow citizens to pay your way in life instead of forcing the insurance company that dropped you to pay for the health care you bought from them. Then you have the balls to claim that this is ok because you bet other people are screwing over the country the same way you are. ROFL Sorry to hear about your condition. But just because you want to be the six million dollar man does not mean I should be taxed to death to make that happen for you.

What an asshole you are.

Let me guess, you think healthcare is a "privilege," yes?

Tell me about the "privilege" of healthcare when you have a chronic, expensive condition, and are struggling just to stay alive while someone makes cracks about wanting "to be the six million dollar man."

Or you could just die.

Privilege? Health care is a product we buy from health care providers. They are not our slaves to force to work for free for us. Rolls eyes.. I'm a proponent of charity and safety nets for the weak and infirm. But that does not mean I'm a proponent of forced charity and giving people grossly discounted heath-care procedures so they can drive around in their bmws.

How is it you believe that insurance companies exist, pay claims and make a profit to stay in business?

Its c-o-b-r-a.
Please stop using the term "Marxist" until you look up and memorize the definition.

 

[AceRothstein]

So how much money has Ted Cruz received from Comcast?

 

[RKMBrown]

Let me get this straight. Your insurance company dropped you because you had an insurance claim which is against the law. Then you join up with Obamacare for a cheap rate so you can force your fellow citizens to pay your way in life instead of forcing the insurance company that dropped you to pay for the health care you bought from them. Then you have the balls to claim that this is ok because you bet other people are screwing over the country the same way you are. ROFL Sorry to hear about your condition. But just because you want to be the six million dollar man does not mean I should be taxed to death to make that happen for you.

Obviously you have comprehension problems. They dropped me after paying off a claim, because they knew I would probably have more claims in the future. Dropping me was perfectly legal, and standard procedure for insurance companies before Obamacare. I now buy insurance with my own money, (no subsidy, because I don't qualify for one) and the price is set by my insurance company. Of course Obamacare prevents some of the gouging that was SOP, and they are obligated to sell it to me at a price that they can still make money. How do you think I'm screwing anybody?

ROFL you are the one gouging. And you sure as hell are being subsidized. Your health care costs more than the average person, correct? What makes you think you have the right to force someone that does not have a heart condition to pay for your share? FYI.. even if you don't get a subsidy, tax payer funds are still being used to shore up your plan, the funds are being sent directly to the providers from the tax payers. Under the old system you would have qualified for corba, correct? But corba would have cost YOU more money correct?

Cobra did cost me more money. A lot more. It only lasted for 18 months though. After that, you're screwed. Emergency room trips with no insurance was certainly coming out of taxpayer pockets. I am much happier buying my own insurance with my own money. I'm telling you this is how it works. If Hannity told you different, then he is lying.

Yeah well you should have had to pay for your emergency room trips. Making those free was the first dumb thing the feds did wrt screwing us all over and raising the prices on everything. I guess I should be grateful you are working at all nudge...

On a more serious note... Why didn't you just find a job where you could get on a group plan.. or did you make that life choice based on ACA? I'm curious, as I know quite a few folks in your situation that had to either go broke and get on medicaid or switch jobs to get on a group plan.

Funny thing is, you just described how and why ObamaCare is a good thing.

Emergency room = Reagan's socialist, tax-subsidized, health care plan.
Medicaid = tax subsidized.
Insurance, both before and after ACA = the healthy pay for the sick.

Its simply how ALL insurance works. It has always been the way insurance works and it will always be the way insurance works. Learn and understand this one fact and the rest will make sense to you.

Emergency room = Clinton not Reagan...

Medicaid = tax subsidized. yes... it's welfare for the poor, welfare for the poor used to be voluntary charity, medicaid changed it to FORCED CHARITY

Insurance = shared risk, it used to mean voluntary shared risk, now it means FORCED SHARED RISK.

No ACA is not how ALL insurance works. ACA is closer to how medicaid works than insurance. The democrats are making half the country welfare dependents of this government. That may excite the hell out of you, but not me. To me it is yet another rape from you authoritarians.

 

[Stephanie]

You have nothing to offer but your proven stupidity.

Thanks for your input. As I said so many times in the past, your opinion will be given the consideration it deserves. Do you really enjoy trolling me that much?

doesn't it bother you that the people who created obamacare think you are stupid?

probably not. because he is in that class of people who thinks the same way as Gruber. you can see the SNOB in their postings

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You have nothing to offer but your proven stupidity.

Thanks for your input. As I said so many times in the past, your opinion will be given the consideration it deserves. Do you really enjoy trolling me that much?

doesn't it bother you that the people who created obamacare think you are stupid?

probably not. because he is in that class of people who thinks the same way as Gruber. you can see the SNOB in their postings

he is an idiot and a liar.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Obviously you have comprehension problems. They dropped me after paying off a claim, because they knew I would probably have more claims in the future. Dropping me was perfectly legal, and standard procedure for insurance companies before Obamacare. I now buy insurance with my own money, (no subsidy, because I don't qualify for one) and the price is set by my insurance company. Of course Obamacare prevents some of the gouging that was SOP, and they are obligated to sell it to me at a price that they can still make money. How do you think I'm screwing anybody?

ROFL you are the one gouging. And you sure as hell are being subsidized. Your health care costs more than the average person, correct? What makes you think you have the right to force someone that does not have a heart condition to pay for your share? FYI.. even if you don't get a subsidy, tax payer funds are still being used to shore up your plan, the funds are being sent directly to the providers from the tax payers. Under the old system you would have qualified for corba, correct? But corba would have cost YOU more money correct?

Cobra did cost me more money. A lot more. It only lasted for 18 months though. After that, you're screwed. Emergency room trips with no insurance was certainly coming out of taxpayer pockets. I am much happier buying my own insurance with my own money. I'm telling you this is how it works. If Hannity told you different, then he is lying.

Yeah well you should have had to pay for your emergency room trips. Making those free was the first dumb thing the feds did wrt screwing us all over and raising the prices on everything. I guess I should be grateful you are working at all nudge...

On a more serious note... Why didn't you just find a job where you could get on a group plan.. or did you make that life choice based on ACA? I'm curious, as I know quite a few folks in your situation that had to either go broke and get on medicaid or switch jobs to get on a group plan.

Funny thing is, you just described how and why ObamaCare is a good thing.

Emergency room = Reagan's socialist, tax-subsidized, health care plan.
Medicaid = tax subsidized.
Insurance, both before and after ACA = the healthy pay for the sick.

Its simply how ALL insurance works. It has always been the way insurance works and it will always be the way insurance works. Learn and understand this one fact and the rest will make sense to you.

Emergency room = Clinton not Reagan...

Medicaid = tax subsidized. yes... it's welfare for the poor, welfare for the poor used to be voluntary charity, medicaid changed it to FORCED CHARITY

Insurance = shared risk, it used to mean voluntary shared risk, now it means FORCED SHARED RISK.

No ACA is not how ALL insurance works. ACA is closer to how medicaid works than insurance. The democrats are making half the country welfare dependents of this government. That may excite the hell out of you, but not me. To me it is yet another rape from you authoritarians.

Nope. EMTALA was enacted and passed into law by Ronnie Ray-Gun.

Nope. Medicare/Medicaid enacted and passed into law under LBJ in 1965.

Saying ACA is "making half the country welfare dependents of this government" is nonsense.Insurance is still a "shared risk". It still depends on more people not making claims than do. THAT is the very essence of how insurance of all kinds works.

Like it or not, just as you are legally required to carry insurance to pay for your own auto-related liabilities, ACA does require YOU to take responsibility for your own health care costs instead of forcing others to pay them for you. It does guarantee that 80% of your premiums are actually spent on YOUR health care. It is the opposite of Reagan's socialist EMTALA.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

As one of those old enough to remember 300 Baud modems much of the talk about slowing down tranmission is redundant. Only reason we have broadband is so we can view streaming content like movies. As opposed to oh I dunno using a television. Compared to Japan ALL US is slow. Avg home user in Japan has 50MB/s download speed. Most businesses in the US don't even have that fast. But the only reason speeds like that exist is Japan has the infrastructure and will to make it available.

I'm pretty stoked if I get 600KB/sec down, and upload is just 60KB/sec or so. But then I still remember doing a lot with 3.4KB/sec on a modem I still have. THough it's over there in the corner collecting dust. Perfectly good modem, not inclined to throw away things that work even if never gonna use it again.

 

[RKMBrown]

ROFL you are the one gouging. And you sure as hell are being subsidized. Your health care costs more than the average person, correct? What makes you think you have the right to force someone that does not have a heart condition to pay for your share? FYI.. even if you don't get a subsidy, tax payer funds are still being used to shore up your plan, the funds are being sent directly to the providers from the tax payers. Under the old system you would have qualified for corba, correct? But corba would have cost YOU more money correct?

Cobra did cost me more money. A lot more. It only lasted for 18 months though. After that, you're screwed. Emergency room trips with no insurance was certainly coming out of taxpayer pockets. I am much happier buying my own insurance with my own money. I'm telling you this is how it works. If Hannity told you different, then he is lying.

Yeah well you should have had to pay for your emergency room trips. Making those free was the first dumb thing the feds did wrt screwing us all over and raising the prices on everything. I guess I should be grateful you are working at all nudge...

On a more serious note... Why didn't you just find a job where you could get on a group plan.. or did you make that life choice based on ACA? I'm curious, as I know quite a few folks in your situation that had to either go broke and get on medicaid or switch jobs to get on a group plan.

Funny thing is, you just described how and why ObamaCare is a good thing.

Emergency room = Reagan's socialist, tax-subsidized, health care plan.
Medicaid = tax subsidized.
Insurance, both before and after ACA = the healthy pay for the sick.

Its simply how ALL insurance works. It has always been the way insurance works and it will always be the way insurance works. Learn and understand this one fact and the rest will make sense to you.

Emergency room = Clinton not Reagan...

Medicaid = tax subsidized. yes... it's welfare for the poor, welfare for the poor used to be voluntary charity, medicaid changed it to FORCED CHARITY

Insurance = shared risk, it used to mean voluntary shared risk, now it means FORCED SHARED RISK.

No ACA is not how ALL insurance works. ACA is closer to how medicaid works than insurance. The democrats are making half the country welfare dependents of this government. That may excite the hell out of you, but not me. To me it is yet another rape from you authoritarians.

Nope. EMTALA was enacted and passed into law by Ronnie Ray-Gun.

Nope. Medicare/Medicaid enacted and passed into law under LBJ in 1965.

Saying ACA is "making half the country welfare dependents of this government" is nonsense.Insurance is still a "shared risk". It still depends on more people not making claims than do. THAT is the very essence of how insurance of all kinds works.

Like it or not, just as you are legally required to carry insurance to pay for your own auto-related liabilities, ACA does require YOU to take responsibility for your own health care costs instead of forcing others to pay them for you. It does guarantee that 80% of your premiums are actually spent on YOUR health care. It is the opposite of Reagan's socialist EMTALA.

The change Clinton made was that the Hospitals could not longer force them to pay after the fact, this made it free health care. Under Reagan the hospitals could not turn you away at the emergency room door, under clinton the hospital could no longer require citizenship, identification, or payment before during or after the free health care was provided. You see the libs didn't like the fact that the hospitals were going after their illegal voters asking them to pay for their supposedly free health care. IOW clinton took a good thing and made it a bad thing.

Why did you say "Nope. Medicare/Medicaid enacted and passed into law under LBJ in 1965." What part of my statement that medicaid is tax subsidized, forced charity, confused you?

Wrong... Saying ACA is "making half the country welfare dependents of this government" is a plain fact. IF YOU RECEIVE MONEY FROM PEOPLE THAT YOU DID NOT EARN, IT'S WELFARE. You libs think that because you were born here you own the income of my labors, what a crock of shit.

There was nothing wrong with Reagan's EMTALA it was Clinton that made it free, not Reagan. Reagan forced the hospitals to take patients before they paid, clinton forced the hospitals to provide the services free of charge and pass the costs on to paying customers, thus raising the prices for health care and thus insurance in this country.

 

[guno]

 

[ClosedCaption]

Excellent video

 

[Fang]

I'm no fan of Obama, but wake up and smell the coffee on this one. Letting ISPs win this one and remove net neutrality DOES NOT benefit you in any way shape or form.

You take the Internet away from the private sector, giving it to the government and it will become expensive, slower and no longer free. Look at the DMV. Learn.

For starters net neutrality is a set of guidelines to operate by essentially stating we are all equal in the internet. It's not hardware or software. Second, I can think of something worse than the government running something and that's a private monopoly who has no one to answer to.

 

[RKMBrown]

I'm no fan of Obama, but wake up and smell the coffee on this one. Letting ISPs win this one and remove net neutrality DOES NOT benefit you in any way shape or form.

You take the Internet away from the private sector, giving it to the government and it will become expensive, slower and no longer free. Look at the DMV. Learn.

For starters net neutrality is a set of guidelines to operate by essentially stating we are all equal in the internet. It's not hardware or software. Second, I can think of something worse than the government running something and that's a private monopoly who has no one to answer to.

Who does the federal government answer too? Cause it sure seems like no one these days.

 

[Fang]

I'm no fan of Obama, but wake up and smell the coffee on this one. Letting ISPs win this one and remove net neutrality DOES NOT benefit you in any way shape or form.

You take the Internet away from the private sector, giving it to the government and it will become expensive, slower and no longer free. Look at the DMV. Learn.

For starters net neutrality is a set of guidelines to operate by essentially stating we are all equal in the internet. It's not hardware or software. Second, I can think of something worse than the government running something and that's a private monopoly who has no one to answer to.

Who does the federal government answer too? Cause it sure seems like no one these days.

Technically the voters, right? But people need to get out and vote.

 

[RKMBrown]

I'm no fan of Obama, but wake up and smell the coffee on this one. Letting ISPs win this one and remove net neutrality DOES NOT benefit you in any way shape or form.

You take the Internet away from the private sector, giving it to the government and it will become expensive, slower and no longer free. Look at the DMV. Learn.

For starters net neutrality is a set of guidelines to operate by essentially stating we are all equal in the internet. It's not hardware or software. Second, I can think of something worse than the government running something and that's a private monopoly who has no one to answer to.

Who does the federal government answer too? Cause it sure seems like no one these days.

Technically the voters, right? But people need to get out and vote.

Not with our voting system. We don't have a system to elect the best candidates. We have a system for choosing between one of two bad choices, a two party system does not work when both parties are playing the electorate against themselves and there is no way a third choice can do anything but take votes away from one of the other two choices and get one of the two bad choices elected.

If you were allowed to vote for candidate 1 as your first choice then candidate 2 as your second choice, for example, where your vote goes to 1 first or 2 second based on how many other voters voted for 1 first... then you could vote for a best candidate from a third party under the understanding that you are not throwing your vote away if the third party guy does not get enough votes to beat out both of the main parties..

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The problem: I hate and distrust both Comcast, and the goverent.

The LAST thing that Obama wants is a free and open anything, let alone the Internet.

Uh no, the problem is that you're ill-informed on any and all issues.

Considering obama has connection with the media the media will protect him.

 

[PredFan]

Regulation isn't control? What are you smoking? At any rate regulation certainly isn't freedom now is it?

This is the misinformation of our recent age.

Regulation is a set of rules, a framework within which you can act.

Sorry, you can't hunt your neighbor's dog, feed it to your kid, and build your tent city on airport property. You can't cook the dog meat on your car's engine and sell it to strangers, and call yourself a street vendor. You can't stand on the public street and scream at the top of your lungs at 3 in the morning, and you can't walk into the White House and complain personally to the President.

You are REGULATED.

Yes, thus you are controlled.

Really? Because you can't do any little thing that pops into your little head? How long has it been since people have truly been "free," in that case?

long time, but the internet is now. Are you starting to understand? Regulation is just the beginning. You actually think that the government will only regulate it's fairness and then stay out?

Regulation means that Verizon can't give priority to some kinds of traffic, while "little people" like me are stuck at the bottom of the totem pole.

Let me correct your poor post resulting from your faulty brain:

"Regulation COULD mean that Verison can't give some traffic priority...."

There are many other things regulation could mean, few of them good for a free Internet. You trust politicians do you? You trust that the people who now can "regulate" the Internet won't favor corporations, corporate profits, and rules "In the interest of public safety"?

 

[PredFan]

The problem here is that progressives trust in the benevolent power and authority of the US Government. This, IMO, is a result of hyper partisanship, a faulty brain, and a lack of education.

 

[Stephanie]

Looks like Mr. Cruz was right on again

SNIP:
FCC chair distances himself from Obama on Net Neutrality

FCC chair distances himself from Obama on Net Neutrality

 

[ricechickie]

Let me correct your poor post resulting from your faulty brain:

"Regulation COULD mean that Verison can't give some traffic priority...."

There are many other things regulation could mean, few of them good for a free Internet. You trust politicians do you? You trust that the people who now can "regulate" the Internet won't favor corporations, corporate profits, and rules "In the interest of public safety"?

You're right. Regulation "could" mean what I said.

In this context, for what is being proposed, this is what the regulation does mean.

Your concern about politicians is duly noted. Let me ask you,

You trust corporations, do you? You trust the people who can decide to do whatever they want to with your internet service, to fatten their bottom line, and to see how much you're willing to pay for the service that has become a practical necessity to modern life "in the interest of the free market"?