Nearly half of Jewish Israelis support discrimination against non-Jewish citizens

[Nox]

I am not part of political discussions anymore but this is not about politics this is about a lie. You are not being honest, Nox. You told a lie. Jews do not see other people as inferior and there is no such thing written in the Torah. I have read it and it does not say that anywhere. I don't know why you would say such a thing but I am sure it grieves the Heart of God to see someone speaking such lies against Him. I can't remain silent about such a thing.

Your holy book or your holy laws or whatever ( I dont know how many times you changed it or have modified ) , clearly say you're the chosen people and you have the right behave the way you want against other people .

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I am not part of political discussions anymore but this is not about politics this is about a lie. You are not being honest, Nox. You told a lie. Jews do not see other people as inferior and there is no such thing written in the Torah. I have read it and it does not say that anywhere. I don't know why you would say such a thing but I am sure it grieves the Heart of God to see someone speaking such lies against Him. I can't remain silent about such a thing.

Your holy book or your holy laws or whatever ( I dont know how many times you changed it or have modified ) , clearly say you're the chosen people and you have the right behave the way you want against other people .

The Jews were deserving and chosen to receive the Torah.

Where does it say that Jews "have the right to behave the way they want against other people."

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Jroc to you...the Arabs came from all over the region once the Jews reclaimed the land. They came for the jobs. all those counrties you mentioned were created by the Europeans anyway

They are not the same, a mixed population. Do you know anything about Arabic tribes? They come from gulf nations and Saudi Arabia.

That being said, what in the world are you rambling about?

Lets get back on topic, David.

Get back on the topic of what, Bik? The topic of creating a division as if there were not enough already? Why not write about something that is honest,lovely, of good report? Something edifying, something about your dreams of what could be? Something hopeful? I believe you have the potential to write about many good things and would encourage you to search your heart for those things and put them up so others can see something that will lift their own spirits. It is a depressing time for many and it would be a real blessing for this board. Thank you for reading this, Bik.

What in the world are you talking about? This is an important poll and tells us a lot about the peace process.

It tells something Americans are not used to seeing.

Why is it a depressing time for you? Are you alright?

 

[Sallow]

Viewers here have a hard time understanding what 'grabbing land' means. Tell us what you mean by that and how it was achieved.

Now, if we go by your concept, the Palestinians are justified to a counter attack to regain their land any day of the week through armed resistance.

Or are you really just a bullshitter bullshitting us?

What do you think it means?

How do you think America was formed? You think that was a nice business deal or something?

Europeans came here and grabbed land.

They held it.

That's what happens.

And the Palestinians have been engaged in Armed resistance for over six decades.

If anything..it just makes things worse for them.

Like I said..I don't really get the point of this thread.

Well, we don't really get why you don't really get the point of this thread. Don't worry, it won't do ya no harm. Just take a hike.

But, now we've been enlightened with Sallow's insight on the concept he believes is justified. So, he is basically stating indirectly he is the number one supporter of armed Palestinian resistance and recognizes it as a justified struggle.

We learn new things everyday...........

Twisting around my posts in to pretzels doesn't really help you make a point.

Israel didn't come into being overnight, and there have been people who follow the Jewish faith living in the Middle East, since there has been a Middle East. Some of them are Palestinians as well.

And Palestinians have been given reasonable options which they have refused to follow, most notably when Clinton hashed out a deal and Arafat walked away from it.

They also had the sympathetic ear of President Barack Obama, and then tried, unilaterally, to declare statehood.

They aren't winning many friends with this behavior.

That's for sure.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

What do you think it means?

How do you think America was formed? You think that was a nice business deal or something?

Europeans came here and grabbed land.

They held it.

That's what happens.

And the Palestinians have been engaged in Armed resistance for over six decades.

If anything..it just makes things worse for them.

Like I said..I don't really get the point of this thread.

Well, we don't really get why you don't really get the point of this thread. Don't worry, it won't do ya no harm. Just take a hike.

But, now we've been enlightened with Sallow's insight on the concept he believes is justified. So, he is basically stating indirectly he is the number one supporter of armed Palestinian resistance and recognizes it as a justified struggle.

We learn new things everyday...........

Twisting around my posts in to pretzels doesn't really help you make a point.

Israel didn't come into being overnight, and there have been people who follow the Jewish faith living in the Middle East, since there has been a Middle East. Some of them are Palestinians as well.

And Palestinians have been given reasonable options which they have refused to follow, most notably when Clinton hashed out a deal and Arafat walked away from it.

They also had the sympathetic ear of President Barack Obama, and then tried, unilaterally, to declare statehood.

They aren't winning many friends with this behavior.

That's for sure.

You're a funny. I like your concept that the Palestinians can counter attack any day of the week to regain their land through armed resistance.

Hey, I mean...since the Jews 'grabbed' the land they should just 'grab' it back.

 

[Hoffstra]

Studies have shown "Syrians", "Lebanese" "Jordanians" Israeli Arabs, are the same people, they have their countries and the Jews have theirs

link to these studies?

 

[Nox]

The Jews were deserving and chosen to receive the Torah.

Where does it say that Jews "have the right to behave the way they want against other people."

I'm pretty sure , I have read such a rule before in some religious laws concerning Jews .

 

[Lipush]

Because jews sees other people as inferior . Its written in their holy(?) book . What a holy book

You DO know that's a false allegation, don't you?

Do you want to have a discussion, or just trade slams at one another?

Just read the Talmud...Large M...

Take your own advice.

Since you have no idea what it says

 

[Lipush]

It's funny that Lipush is accusing us of creating an 'anti-Semitic' thread. Which is the first thing she or her fellow pro Israel supporters do whenever they dislike the topic of the thread which is damaging to Israel.

So, lets say Jews don't consider non jews inferior to them. Can we understand why half of the Jewish Israeli population wants more rights than non-Jews in the country?

What is that supposed to mean and keep note they specifically used non-Jews.

Also this kind of tells us what Israelis want is the opposite of some Jewish members or the pro Israeli crowd tells us they want.

What? That's nonsense. Please be specific if you have certain examples to back up such claims.

 

[Lipush]

Enlightening poll...

The findings also indicate what might be considered a softening in attitudes of Jewish Israelis toward the country’s Arab citizens. About 44 percent of Jewish respondents said this year that they favored government policies that encourage Arab emigration, down from 51 percent in 2010 and 54 percent in 2009 – the last two times this question was asked in the survey.

Favoring policies that encourage Arab emmigration - I'm thinking that is Arabs leaving the region, if so - it's nice to see that those that favor it are declining.

Overall, young Israeli Jews are more patriotic and right-wing in their leanings than their elders.

Interesting...I wonder why?

Close to half (49 percent) of all Israeli Jews believe that Jewish citizens should have more rights than non-Jewish citizens.

A very disturbing and large minority. No wonder apartheid comparisons are made.

Most Jews feel that critical national decisions should be determined by a Jewish majority, both on matters of peace and security (67 percent) and on socioeconomic issues (57 percent).

Roughly one out of every three Israeli Jews (31 percent) believes that only Jews should determine the outcome of a referendum on peace that includes withdrawal from the West Bank.

In other words - two classes of citizenry, broadly supported.

Take to mind, that this state was found by leftists, in today's definition.

Don't forget, the offer handed in 1947 was to have both Israeli and Palestinian state. Ben Gurion supported the two states solution. So did the people of his government back then.

By all of today's standartds, Ben Gurion was a leftist. All those who followed that generation were leftists, because they didn't back down from that view.

But they were also very determined regarding the rights on Jerusalem and the natural rights of Jews to exist.

The left of these days is nothing like the left of 1947. If Ben Gurion would have known what the left political map in Israel has become, he would not have rested peacefully in his grave.

The left back then had more guts then the right NOW.

People cannot compare those two time periods, since things are very much different then and now.

 

[Lipush]

Most Jews feel that critical national decisions should be determined by a Jewish majority, both on matters of peace and security (67 percent) and on socioeconomic issues (57 percent).

Must have something to do with the double standards of the Arab MKs.

That doesn't surprise me

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

The Jews were deserving and chosen to receive the Torah.

Where does it say that Jews "have the right to behave the way they want against other people."

I'm pretty sure , I have read such a rule before in some religious laws concerning Jews .

Then you can back-up your claim.

 

[Hossfly]

The Jews were deserving and chosen to receive the Torah.

Where does it say that Jews "have the right to behave the way they want against other people."

I'm pretty sure , I have read such a rule before in some religious laws concerning Jews .

Well, put 'em out here where everyone can read them. Enjoy the dinger!

 

[Nox]

Then you can back-up your claim.

Its talmudic laws , you can find you're a jew . Sorry I have more important jobs than jews right now : ) Also before I have read Torah a few and its full of war violence and revenge .

What kind of god would be such : )

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Then you can back-up your claim.

Its talmudic laws , you can find you're a jew . Sorry I have more important jobs than jews right now : ) Also before I have read Torah a few and its full of war violence and revenge .

What kind of god would be such : )

This is the second time you have refused to back up your claim. If you make a claim, you have to back it up.

So, what is your more important job than Jews then?

 

[Hossfly]

Then you can back-up your claim.

Its talmudic laws , you can find you're a jew . Sorry I have more important jobs than jews right now : ) Also before I have read Torah a few and its full of war violence and revenge .

What kind of god would be such : )

According to the god Muhammud invented, war, death and destruction are desirable traits for True Believers. I read that in your holy book.

 

[Nox]

This is the second time you have refused to back up your claim. If you make a claim, you have to back it up.

So, what is your more important job than Jews then?

Why you ask : ) I have a good job and I have studied for years for this . If you think to steal it from me , forget it . I know your holy laws allow you to steal from non jewish people : )

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

This is the second time you have refused to back up your claim. If you make a claim, you have to back it up.

So, what is your more important job than Jews then?

Why you ask : ) I have a good job and I have studied for years for this . If you think to steal it from me , forget it . I know your holy laws allow you to steal from non jewish people : )

Perhaps you should spend more time in your good job and less time on here telling absolute lies about Jews.

Again, back-up your ridiculous claims against the Jews.

 

[Hossfly]

This is the second time you have refused to back up your claim. If you make a claim, you have to back it up.

So, what is your more important job than Jews then?

Why you ask : ) I have a good job and I have studied for years for this . If you think to steal it from me , forget it . I know your holy laws allow you to steal from non jewish people : )

You studied for years to be an instigating troll on an insignificant message board? You should have attained a PHD by this time. Piled Higher, Deeper, that is.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

It's funny that Lipush is accusing us of creating an 'anti-Semitic' thread. Which is the first thing she or her fellow pro Israel supporters do whenever they dislike the topic of the thread which is damaging to Israel.

So, lets say Jews don't consider non jews inferior to them. Can we understand why half of the Jewish Israeli population wants more rights than non-Jews in the country?

What is that supposed to mean and keep note they specifically used non-Jews.

Also this kind of tells us what Israelis want is the opposite of some Jewish members or the pro Israeli crowd tells us they want.

What? That's nonsense. Please be specific if you have certain examples to back up such claims.

Nonsense? Did you even look at the first page of this thread? It's highlighted in bold. A certain example is a poll done asking if Jews want more rights than non Jews in Israel.

And the response was 49% do.