National Reading and Math Scores Down

[SweetSue92]

This is not a surprise to me. But I can guarantee the potential fix to the situation is not where people are pointing.

My fixes for more academic rigor, and thus better test scores:

1. Schools need to stop being day orphanages or treatment centers and go back to being academic institutions. We can't be responsible for all your child's problems. We are not doctors, psychiatrists or therapists.

2. Behavior. BEHAVIOR. If a child is disrupting the learning of others, remove them, point blank period. I don't want to hear about their sensory issues, trauma, "all behavior is communication", etc. Those can be addressed away from learning!

3. The trojan horse of "gender ideology" is Social-Emotional Learning. It's utter rot. Good teachers have always addressed cooperation, kindness, etc. SEL encourages children to make their feelings a priority as a means of building a successful life. No. You know what builds a successful life? DOING things. MAKING things. ACHIEVING things. SEL is the opposite of that.

All of the above will require that we stand up to these gentle parents. But it's time.

Here's a report from my state:

Michigan's reading, writing scores see no significant improvement in national assessment

The National Assessment of Educational Progress found no significant improvements in writing or reading scores for Michigan students since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.wkar.org

 

[wamose]

This is not a surprise to me. But I can guarantee the potential fix to the situation is not where people are pointing.

My fixes for more academic rigor, and thus better test scores:

1. Schools need to stop being day orphanages or treatment centers and go back to being academic institutions. We can't be responsible for all your child's problems. We are not doctors, psychiatrists or therapists.

2. Behavior. BEHAVIOR. If a child is disrupting the learning of others, remove them, point blank period. I don't want to hear about their sensory issues, trauma, "all behavior is communication", etc. Those can be addressed away from learning!

3. The trojan horse of "gender ideology" is Social-Emotional Learning. It's utter rot. Good teachers have always addressed cooperation, kindness, etc. SEL encourages children to make their feelings a priority as a means of building a successful life. No. You know what builds a successful life? DOING things. MAKING things. ACHIEVING things. SEL is the opposite of that.

All of the above will require that we stand up to these gentle parents. But it's time.

Here's a report from my state:

Michigan's reading, writing scores see no significant improvement in national assessment

The National Assessment of Educational Progress found no significant improvements in writing or reading scores for Michigan students since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.wkar.org

I'm with you. You obviously know a lot about the subject, being in the middle of it.

 

[SweetSue92]

I'm with you. You obviously know a lot about the subject, being in the middle of it.

I realize my post probably comes off as harsh. But in the end, it's not. Keeping disruptive, even hazardous children in the classroom helps NO ONE--not even the child him/herself.

 

[JLW]

Maybe the scores are going down because too many conservatives are going into schools and banning books, telling teachers what and how to teach, and encouraging Bible studies instead of teaching science and math. By the way, the best students are generally in blue states and the worst in red states. I wonder why?

 

[JoeB131]

This is not a surprise to me. But I can guarantee the potential fix to the situation is not where people are pointing.

My fixes for more academic rigor, and thus better test scores:

1. Schools need to stop being day orphanages or treatment centers and go back to being academic institutions. We can't be responsible for all your child's problems. We are not doctors, psychiatrists or therapists.

2. Behavior. BEHAVIOR. If a child is disrupting the learning of others, remove them, point blank period. I don't want to hear about their sensory issues, trauma, "all behavior is communication", etc. Those can be addressed away from learning!

3. The trojan horse of "gender ideology" is Social-Emotional Learning. It's utter rot. Good teachers have always addressed cooperation, kindness, etc. SEL encourages children to make their feelings a priority as a means of building a successful life. No. You know what builds a successful life? DOING things. MAKING things. ACHIEVING things. SEL is the opposite of that.

All of the above will require that we stand up to these gentle parents. But it's time.

Here's a report from my state:

Michigan's reading, writing scores see no significant improvement in national assessment

The National Assessment of Educational Progress found no significant improvements in writing or reading scores for Michigan students since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.wkar.org

Wow, it seems like you are blaming everyone but unionized teachers with shit work ethics who teach to the test and call it a day.

 

[1srelluc]

Odd that the OP never mentions parents being able to use vouchers to remove their kids from failing public schools and put them private schools. I guess that threatens the rice bowl of public-school teachers.

A wish list of "what should be done" does not help those that want no part of failed public schools now.

It took decades to fuck it up and it will take that long to unfuck it all as long as there are unions involved.....I've no time for that BS.

I just signed up the G-Grandson to start Kindergarten next fall. $207.00 a week.....Call it 10K a year.....I could sure use a voucher to offset that cost given I'm also paying property taxes to prop-up mediocre public schools.

 

[1srelluc]

Wow, it seems like you are blaming everyone but unionized teachers with shit work ethics who teach to the test and call it a day.

I agree with you....It's a banner day!

 

[Moonglow]

This is not a surprise to me. But I can guarantee the potential fix to the situation is not where people are pointing.

My fixes for more academic rigor, and thus better test scores:

1. Schools need to stop being day orphanages or treatment centers and go back to being academic institutions. We can't be responsible for all your child's problems. We are not doctors, psychiatrists or therapists.

2. Behavior. BEHAVIOR. If a child is disrupting the learning of others, remove them, point blank period. I don't want to hear about their sensory issues, trauma, "all behavior is communication", etc. Those can be addressed away from learning!

3. The trojan horse of "gender ideology" is Social-Emotional Learning. It's utter rot. Good teachers have always addressed cooperation, kindness, etc. SEL encourages children to make their feelings a priority as a means of building a successful life. No. You know what builds a successful life? DOING things. MAKING things. ACHIEVING things. SEL is the opposite of that.

All of the above will require that we stand up to these gentle parents. But it's time.

Here's a report from my state:

Michigan's reading, writing scores see no significant improvement in national assessment

The National Assessment of Educational Progress found no significant improvements in writing or reading scores for Michigan students since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.wkar.org

Why does it matter for us slaves of the system?

 

[JoeB131]

Odd that the OP never mentions parents being able to use vouchers to remove their kids from failing public schools and put them private schools. I guess that threatens the rice bowl of public-school teachers.

Because vouchers fail every time they've been tried. They just end up being a subsidy for affluent white people who can already afford to send their kids to private schools. Do you think that the private schools want to trade in their paying customers for voucher customers?

Now, as much as I rag on the Catholic Church for a lifetime of trauma they inflicted on me, they did a pretty good job in the education department. Why? Because my parents were spending their own money (except the last two years, I paid for HS with a minimum wage job) and they were invested. You give someone who isn't making their kids do their homework now, are they going to be anymore invested with a voucher?

Look at how replacing public housing with Section 8 vouchers has worked out. (It hasn't.)

A wish list of "what should be done" does not help those that want no part of failed public schools now. It took decades to fuck it up and it will take that long to unfuck it all as long as there are unions involved.....I've no time for that BS.

I'll agree with you, unions are part of the problem in that they make it nigh impossible to fire bad teachers. Conversely, though, 50% of new teachers quit within five years. So retention is also part of the problem.

I just signed up the G-Grandson to start Kindergarten next fall. $207.00 a week.....Call it 10K a year.....I could sure use a voucher to offset that cost given I'm also paying property taxes to prop-up mediocre public schools.

Sounds like you are looking for welfare.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow, it seems like you are blaming everyone but unionized teachers with shit work ethics who teach to the test and call it a day.

Agreed!

End the Teachers Union

Should be merit based pay, not lowest common denominator

 

[sparky]

Agreed!

End the Teachers Union

Should be merit based pay, not lowest common denominator

wouldn't introducing competition create a better product? ~S~

 

[1srelluc]

Because vouchers fail every time they've been tried. They just end up being a subsidy for affluent white people who can already afford to send their kids to private schools. Do you think that the private schools want to trade in their paying customers for voucher customers?

Now, as much as I rag on the Catholic Church for a lifetime of trauma they inflicted on me, they did a pretty good job in the education department. Why? Because my parents were spending their own money (except the last two years, I paid for HS with a minimum wage job) and they were invested. You give someone who isn't making their kids do their homework now, are they going to be anymore invested with a voucher?

Look at how replacing public housing with Section 8 vouchers has worked out. (It hasn't.)



I'll agree with you, unions are part of the problem in that they make it nigh impossible to fire bad teachers. Conversely, though, 50% of new teachers quit within five years. So retention is also part of the problem.



Sounds like you are looking for welfare.

Did I say it was a religious school? Nope, not hardly.

Welfare no, a level playing field in education funding, yes.

It's like people who try to do right by kids get punished by society for it.

 

[sparky]

so i sense we're moving towards more local control.....~S~

 

[BlackSand]

This is not a surprise to me. But I can guarantee the potential fix to the situation is not where people are pointing.

My fixes for more academic rigor, and thus better test scores:

1. Schools need to stop being day orphanages or treatment centers and go back to being academic institutions. We can't be responsible for all your child's problems. We are not doctors, psychiatrists or therapists.

2. Behavior. BEHAVIOR. If a child is disrupting the learning of others, remove them, point blank period. I don't want to hear about their sensory issues, trauma, "all behavior is communication", etc. Those can be addressed away from learning!

3. The trojan horse of "gender ideology" is Social-Emotional Learning. It's utter rot. Good teachers have always addressed cooperation, kindness, etc. SEL encourages children to make their feelings a priority as a means of building a successful life. No. You know what builds a successful life? DOING things. MAKING things. ACHIEVING things. SEL is the opposite of that.

All of the above will require that we stand up to these gentle parents. But it's time.

Here's a report from my state:

Michigan's reading, writing scores see no significant improvement in national assessment

The National Assessment of Educational Progress found no significant improvements in writing or reading scores for Michigan students since the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.wkar.org

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It's important to emphasize that not all school districts, teachers or administrators are the same.

In the District where I live ... We have the opportunity to have schools in rural areas, metropolitan areas and suburbs.
The School District has been under the watchful eye and guidance of the Justice Department since the early 70's.
They usually get to point the Department is ready to pull the plug on that ... And undoubtably someone will file a complaint.

However ... With all that focus and guidance, the suburbs score best, the rural schools come in next ...
And the metro areas not only score the worst ... But as JoeB131 mentioned, have been busted teaching to the test and cheating.

Anyone could try to parse all the reasons why ... But the real reason is based in the attitude and opportunities each area possesses.

The schools in the suburbs don't give a crap about making excuses, put education and the pursuit of excellence above all other concerns.
The schools in the rural areas demonstrate the most cohesiveness and focus as much on life skills as a drive for higher education goals.

The schools in the metro areas look like a mish-mash of issue driven garbage ...
Defaulting to promoting social engineering over education ...
Demanding equal representation and ideological compliance more than anything else.

The one good thing the Justice Department stumbled on ... Was the Majority to Minority policy.
Under that policy minority students in metro areas where they represent the majority of students ...
Can request to transfer to a school where they are actually a minority in student demographics.
I mean it could work both ways ... But no one in their right minds would choose to send their kids to the failing metro schools.

Moreover ... Everyone knows it ... Everyone knows what the reasonings are and how the attitudes develop ...
And everyone knows that when minority students transfer from the garbage driven metro schools to the suburbs ...
They not only perform better in school ... They are happier, more accepted, in a better environment ...
And manage to escape the utter nonsense that simply promotes the continued failure where they came from.

I mean we don't even get stupid and argue with each other about it ... The writing is on the wall ...
And you're not going to get anywhere trying to convince supposedly smart people ...
To understand exactly how screwed up their ideology is.

My advice to parents would be ... Stop fighting the system, because they have no intention of letting go regardless the results.
Do what you can to research different districts, the opportunities and attitudes towards education they provide ...
And by all means ... Risk your livelihood, fiscal discomfort and total failure ... Whatever it takes to get your child into a successful school.

Leave those who choose to fail or that would rather chase rainbows behind ...

.​

 

[SweetSue92]

Maybe the scores are going down because too many conservatives are going into schools and banning books, telling teachers what and how to teach, and encouraging Bible studies instead of teaching science and math. By the way, the best students are generally in blue states and the worst in red states. I wonder why?

because Democrats have become the party of elites and elites value education.

 

[SweetSue92]

Odd that the OP never mentions parents being able to use vouchers to remove their kids from failing public schools and put them private schools. I guess that threatens the rice bowl of public-school teachers.

A wish list of "what should be done" does not help those that want no part of failed public schools now.

It took decades to fuck it up and it will take that long to unfuck it all as long as there are unions involved.....I've no time for that BS.

I just signed up the G-Grandson to start Kindergarten next fall. $207.00 a week.....Call it 10K a year.....I could sure use a voucher to offset that cost given I'm also paying property taxes to prop-up mediocre public schools.

If you accept vouchers, you must accept ALL children, especially those with disabilities.

I'm not opposed, it's just not a solution. What makes private schools successful now is that they can turn children away. Once federal money is involved, they can't.

Also I see you've reinstated your old man yelling at cloud routine

 

[JLW]

because Democrats have become the party of elites and elites value education.

Any person with a brain values education.

 

[SweetSue92]

Agreed!

End the Teachers Union

Should be merit based pay, not lowest common denominator

I do not belong to the NEA or my local union, and I agree to a point. The problem is that society doesn't want to pay teachers, even the good one. So the system is spiraling hard

 

[SweetSue92]

.

It's important to emphasize that not all school districts, teachers or administrators are the same.

In the District where I live ... We have the opportunity to have schools in rural areas, metropolitan areas and suburbs.
The School District has been under the watchful eye and guidance of the Justice Department since the early 70's.
They usually get to point the Department is ready to pull the plug on that ... And undoubtably someone will file a complaint.

However ... With all that focus and guidance, the suburbs score best, the rural schools come in next ...
And the metro areas not only score the worst ... But as JoeB131 mentioned, have been busted teaching to the test and cheating.

Anyone could try to parse all the reasons why ... But the real reason is based in the attitude and opportunities each area possesses.

The schools in the suburbs don't give a crap about making excuses, put education and the pursuit of excellence above all other concerns.
The schools in the rural areas demonstrate the most cohesiveness and focus as much on life skills as a drive for higher education goals.

The schools in the metro areas look like a mish-mash of issue driven garbage ...
Defaulting to promoting social engineering over education ...
Demanding equal representation and ideological compliance more than anything else.

The one good thing the Justice Department stumbled on ... Was the Majority to Minority policy.
Under that policy minority students in metro areas where they represent the majority of students ...
Can request to transfer to a school where they are actually a minority in student demographics.
I mean it could work both ways ... But no one in their right minds would choose to send their kids to the failing metro schools.

Moreover ... Everyone knows it ... Everyone knows what the reasonings are and how the attitudes develop ...
And everyone knows that when minority students transfer from the garbage driven metro schools to the suburbs ...
They not only perform better in school ... They are happier, more accepted, in a better environment ...
And manage to escape the utter nonsense that simply promotes the continued failure where they came from.

I mean we don't even get stupid and argue with each other about it ... The writing is on the wall ...
And you're not going to get anywhere trying to convince supposedly smart people ...
To understand exactly how screwed up their ideology is.

My advice to parents would be ... Stop fighting the system, because they have no intention of letting go regardless the results.
Do what you can to research different districts, the opportunities and attitudes towards education they provide ...
And by all means ... Risk your livelihood, fiscal discomfort and total failure ... Whatever it takes to get your child into a successful school.

.​

Both Leftists and Conservatives have the opinion that if something is happening in Brooklyn, NY schools, it must also be happening in Anyschool, Nebraska.

They're irrational and there's no sense talking to them. I still do, because I'm often a dunderhead. But it's pointless.

You're spot on about everything here. I don't know what kind of miracle worker teachers they think they can get in some of these urban districts. The problem is more societal than academic.

 

[1srelluc]

If you accept vouchers, you must accept ALL children, especially those with disabilities.

I'm not opposed, it's just not a solution. What makes private schools successful now is that they can turn children away. Once federal money is involved, they can't.

Also I see you've reinstated your old man yelling at cloud routine

Negative, not if "vouchers" are in the form of a tax deduction for the parents and not paid directly to the school.

The way it should be too, the producers of the country need a fuckin' break from the high-handed school cabal lobby.