National Reading and Math Scores Down

[CrusaderFrank]

I do not belong to the NEA or my local union, and I agree to a point. The problem is that society doesn't want to pay teachers, even the good one. So the system is spiraling hard

Only because our public "education" system is a world class embarrassment. It's DESIGNED to keep people stupid and docile and they are a Raving Success at that!

 

[SweetSue92]

Negative, not if "vouchers" are in the form of a tax deduction for the parents and not paid directly to the school.

The way it should be too, the producers of the country need a fuckin' break from the high-handed school cabal lobby.

I doubt that, I really do. The SC would have to figure it out.

 

[SweetSue92]

Only because our public "education" system is a world class embarrassment. It's DESIGNED to keep people stupid and docile and they are a Raving Success at that!

Some schools are very bad, and even abysmal. Some are mediocre, and some are good. Some are stellar. I'm talking public schools.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Some schools are very bad, and even abysmal. Some are mediocre, and some are good. Some are stellar. I'm talking public schools.

Public schools need to be COMPLETELY reworked

DOE should be vaporized

Even the States should give control to the localities

 

[BlackSand]

You're spot on about everything here. I don't know what kind of miracle worker teachers they think they can get in some of these urban districts. The problem is more societal than academic.

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That is so true ...

I might have failed to add there is a problem associated with the suburban area.
The school there is centralized to the area ... And it is composed of a massive campus covering Pre-K though High School.
Including all the buildings, classrooms, facilities, and athletics fields ... It looks more like a college campus than just a school.

However ... The ideology is just as isolated within its confines ... And many students spend their entire education years on that campus.
Parents have to be wise enough to warn their kids leaving for college ...
That where they are headed is nothing like where they are coming from ...

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[SweetSue92]

Public schools need to be COMPLETELY reworked

DOE should be vaporized

Even the States should give control to the localities

I'm all in favor of more local control, and I agree about the DOE

 

[ESay]

It seems that the level (or quality) of education has been declining not only in the US, but throughout Europe too. The main reasons are more or less similar here and there.

1. Declining professional level of teachers. A teacher is not a desirable career anymore (at least in public schools). More intellectually and professionally capable people choose colleges, private schools, private educational centers, or completely give up the carrer for better paying jobs or better opportunities.

2. Education per se is not considered anymore as a step towards better-paid jobs and a social position.

3. A teacher is no longer viewed as some kind of moral authority for children and their parents. Various reasons for that - both paragraphs mentioned above; except of that, a 'freer' society where older and more experienced people aren't 'authorities' for younger generation, etc.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Odd that the OP never mentions parents being able to use vouchers to remove their kids from failing public schools and put them private schools. I guess that threatens the rice bowl of public-school teachers.

A wish list of "what should be done" does not help those that want no part of failed public schools now.

It took decades to fuck it up and it will take that long to unfuck it all as long as there are unions involved.....I've no time for that BS.

I just signed up the G-Grandson to start Kindergarten next fall. $207.00 a week.....Call it 10K a year.....I could sure use a voucher to offset that cost given I'm also paying property taxes to prop-up mediocre public schools.

Vouchers are a scam and an abject failure wherever they have been tried. Why? You cannot make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Changing a student's physical location does not change their intellect or behavior.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Agreed!

End the Teachers Union

Should be merit based pay, not lowest common denominator

How do you measure their merit? Explain that and I'll consider your uninformed opinion on the topic.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Did I say it was a religious school? Nope, not hardly.

Welfare no, a level playing field in education funding, yes.

It's like people who try to do right by kids get punished by society for it.

My last child graduated in 2012. Does tht me relieve me of paying taxes? No. Neither should it relieve you of that responsibility to pay for private school for your grandson.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It seems that the level (or quality) of education has been declining not only in the US, but throughout Europe too. The main reasons are more or less similar here and there.

1. Declining professional level of teachers. A teacher is not a desirable career anymore (at least in public schools). More intellectually and professionally capable people choose colleges, private schools, private educational centers, or completely give up the carrer for better paying jobs or better opportunities.

2. Education per se is not considered anymore as a step towards better-paid jobs and a social position.

3. A teacher is no longer viewed as some kind of moral authority for children and their parents. Various reasons for that - both paragraphs mentioned above; except of that, a 'freer' society where older and more experienced people aren't 'authorities' for younger generation, etc.

1. How do you know the level has declined?

2. You are on target. Continuous fire authorized.

3. Bingo!

 

[ESay]

1. How do you know the level has declined

My personal experience. As a former student of teacher's college. (But my experience may be not relevant for America).

2. You are on target. Continuous fire authorized

No continous fire needed. Today, people with basic education (construction workers, truck drivers, auto mechanics, plumbers, etc) can make much more money than teachers or engineers in some fields. That is how the economy works. But then again, maybe the things are different in the US.

 

[JoeB131]

Did I say it was a religious school? Nope, not hardly.

Welfare no, a level playing field in education funding, yes.

It's like people who try to do right by kids get punished by society for it.

It's a free country, you are able to spend your own money, but expecting everyone else to pick up your tab is a bit much.

Of course, if everyone gets a voucher, they'd soon be unaffordable.

 

[1srelluc]

It's a free country, you are able to spend your own money, but expecting everyone else to pick up your tab is a bit much.

Of course, if everyone gets a voucher, they'd soon be unaffordable.

Not really, more of paying myself back.

LOL.....I'll still be in the hole.

 

[Winco]

I just signed up the G-Grandson to start Kindergarten next fall. $207.00 a week.....Call it 10K a year.....I could sure use a voucher to offset that cost given I'm also paying property taxes to prop-up mediocre public schools.

Teach the G_Grandson how to be a quality individual, NOT a bully, and he'll be just fine.


FU and wanting free money from some bullshit voucher.
You are against ALL handouts, so quit asking when you feel it will benefit you.

 

[Winco]

I do not belong to the NEA or my local union,

Your district
A) doesn't have a Union for you to join,
B) or you just choose to enjoy the benefits without being a paying member.

I sure hope it is A)

If it's actually B) then you are a leech.
You want the benefits, but you refuse to pay.

So, which are you?

 

[Unkotare]

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Even the States should give control to the localities

For the most part that’s how it IS.

 

[SweetSue92]

It seems that the level (or quality) of education has been declining not only in the US, but throughout Europe too. The main reasons are more or less similar here and there.

1. Declining professional level of teachers. A teacher is not a desirable career anymore (at least in public schools). More intellectually and professionally capable people choose colleges, private schools, private educational centers, or completely give up the carrer for better paying jobs or better opportunities.

2. Education per se is not considered anymore as a step towards better-paid jobs and a social position.

3. A teacher is no longer viewed as some kind of moral authority for children and their parents. Various reasons for that - both paragraphs mentioned above; except of that, a 'freer' society where older and more experienced people aren't 'authorities' for younger generation, etc.

When my fellow conservatives are running the A and B team off, I keep telling them--the C and D team is coming. It will be ugly.

Exactly what the Left did to cops.

 

[SweetSue92]

My last child graduated in 2012. Does tht me relieve me of paying taxes? No. Neither should it relieve you of that responsibility to pay for private school for your grandson.

It's so obvious that this poster has a very specific and personal ax to grind

 

[JoeB131]

When my fellow conservatives are running the A and B team off, I keep telling them--the C and D team is coming. It will be ugly.

Exactly what the Left did to cops.

Except Crime has gone down. So cops are fine.

On the other hand, Public Schools are still grinding out kids who are dumber than stumps, and patting themselves on the back for doing a good job.