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So we discussed this before and you're dishonest yet again.
I asked you to name a policy or policies of his that I would dislike or you dislike and you always go back to character.
To me character is not as important as policy support.
What I love about living in a Right to Work state that I don't ever have to hire a union plumber.
I never hire or buy anything made by union people if given a choice. Just like I never buy a car made by the UAW,
That is precisely what you said. You said morality matters. So you implied she was immoral. My only weakness is my kids. I cannot tell people to F Off like I would like to. I am undefeated in debates vs. you. Mrs. Morality LOL.You said Melania was immoral for posing nude and then you defend those who kill unborn babies as being moral.
that's a lie. i never used the word 'immoral' to describe melania nor used the word 'moral' re: abortion.
what i did do - was describe what she had done in the past. FACTUAL things. all which i can back up. see how that works?
lying is the #1 no no in a debate. i never lie. you just did TWICE.
deflection would/should be #2 in that list of poor debating skills. just like you did by throwing in the kitchen sink on that MASKLESS in MA thread, you are trying to deflect yet again - - - right here.
that would be a big FAIL on yer part, zoggy. guess we all have our weakness'.
Azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
Playtime: I can't
Quite the debater you are. LOL
moving the goal posts is #3 on the 'how not to debate effectively ' list.
' implied' vs 'you said' = you lied when you stated that is what i said.
azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
outstanding me: i can't
why? why do you ask? let's see shall we?
A) i'm not a (D)
B) i can't debate something when i don't know nor want to know all the facts surrounding that particular subject. now- you'll seize on that & sooner or later call me antisemitic.; which is indicative or yer stellar debating skills... right zogerino?
C) i could have turned the tables & moved the goal posts like you love to do in said stellar debating skills - by diverting the actual 'debate' subject; & throw in a deflection of my own by asking:
why do the (R)s do biz'nez with a country that supports forced abortions, allowing tax loopholes the size of manhatten to exist so BIGCORP can have most of there sweatshops there & don't want to pay american worker bees a living wage... & god FORBID - unionise ?
D) ...
^^^ now what? mr. 'i'll vote for a dude twice despite showing any sense of ethics who will say & do whatever it takes to stay 'on top'?
so, there you go.
Don’t link it as it’s someone else’s POV in your words what policies did you dislike and why?So we discussed this before and you're dishonest yet again.
<buzzer> wrong. i don't need to be dishonest... but youuuuuuu doooooooooooo................
I asked you to name a policy or policies of his that I would dislike or you dislike and you always go back to character.
<buzzer> wrong. i have.... & i even jumped in the last time unsolicited; but apparently that wasn't good enough, because you didn't ask me di-rectly. the latest i could find being just over a month ago:
Biden got 81 million votes because trump was just that unpopular and hated, right?
post#75
To me character is not as important as policy support.
lol ... you have made that abundantly clear.
That is precisely what you said. You said morality matters. So you implied she was immoral. My only weakness is my kids. I cannot tell people to F Off like I would like to. I am undefeated in debates vs. you. Mrs. Morality LOL.You said Melania was immoral for posing nude and then you defend those who kill unborn babies as being moral.
that's a lie. i never used the word 'immoral' to describe melania nor used the word 'moral' re: abortion.
what i did do - was describe what she had done in the past. FACTUAL things. all which i can back up. see how that works?
lying is the #1 no no in a debate. i never lie. you just did TWICE.
deflection would/should be #2 in that list of poor debating skills. just like you did by throwing in the kitchen sink on that MASKLESS in MA thread, you are trying to deflect yet again - - - right here.
that would be a big FAIL on yer part, zoggy. guess we all have our weakness'.
Azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
Playtime: I can't
Quite the debater you are. LOL
moving the goal posts is #3 on the 'how not to debate effectively ' list.
' implied' vs 'you said' = you lied when you stated that is what i said.
azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
outstanding me: i can't
why? why do you ask? let's see shall we?
A) i'm not a (D)
B) i can't debate something when i don't know nor want to know all the facts surrounding that particular subject. now- you'll seize on that & sooner or later call me antisemitic.; which is indicative or yer stellar debating skills... right zogerino?
C) i could have turned the tables & moved the goal posts like you love to do in said stellar debating skills - by diverting the actual 'debate' subject; & throw in a deflection of my own by asking:
why do the (R)s do biz'nez with a country that supports forced abortions, allowing tax loopholes the size of manhatten to exist so BIGCORP can have most of there sweatshops there & don't want to pay american worker bees a living wage... & god FORBID - unionise ?
D) ...
^^^ now what? mr. 'i'll vote for a dude twice despite showing any sense of ethics who will say & do whatever it takes to stay 'on top'?
so, there you go.
Ethics are subjective. Name one of his policies that were “unethical”. You argue ethnics but support killing of unborn babies. You say you’re not an(D) but can’t name one (R) you would vote for. Feigning ignorance is an interesting tactic. So you don’t know who Ilhan Omar is?
Don’t link it as it’s someone else’s POV in your words what policies did you dislike and why?So we discussed this before and you're dishonest yet again.
<buzzer> wrong. i don't need to be dishonest... but youuuuuuu doooooooooooo................
I asked you to name a policy or policies of his that I would dislike or you dislike and you always go back to character.
<buzzer> wrong. i have.... & i even jumped in the last time unsolicited; but apparently that wasn't good enough, because you didn't ask me di-rectly. the latest i could find being just over a month ago:
Biden got 81 million votes because trump was just that unpopular and hated, right?
post#75
To me character is not as important as policy support.
lol ... you have made that abundantly clear.
That is precisely what you said. You said morality matters. So you implied she was immoral. My only weakness is my kids. I cannot tell people to F Off like I would like to. I am undefeated in debates vs. you. Mrs. Morality LOL.You said Melania was immoral for posing nude and then you defend those who kill unborn babies as being moral.
that's a lie. i never used the word 'immoral' to describe melania nor used the word 'moral' re: abortion.
what i did do - was describe what she had done in the past. FACTUAL things. all which i can back up. see how that works?
lying is the #1 no no in a debate. i never lie. you just did TWICE.
deflection would/should be #2 in that list of poor debating skills. just like you did by throwing in the kitchen sink on that MASKLESS in MA thread, you are trying to deflect yet again - - - right here.
that would be a big FAIL on yer part, zoggy. guess we all have our weakness'.
Azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
Playtime: I can't
Quite the debater you are. LOL
moving the goal posts is #3 on the 'how not to debate effectively ' list.
' implied' vs 'you said' = you lied when you stated that is what i said.
azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
outstanding me: i can't
why? why do you ask? let's see shall we?
A) i'm not a (D)
B) i can't debate something when i don't know nor want to know all the facts surrounding that particular subject. now- you'll seize on that & sooner or later call me antisemitic.; which is indicative or yer stellar debating skills... right zogerino?
C) i could have turned the tables & moved the goal posts like you love to do in said stellar debating skills - by diverting the actual 'debate' subject; & throw in a deflection of my own by asking:
why do the (R)s do biz'nez with a country that supports forced abortions, allowing tax loopholes the size of manhatten to exist so BIGCORP can have most of there sweatshops there & don't want to pay american worker bees a living wage... & god FORBID - unionise ?
D) ...
^^^ now what? mr. 'i'll vote for a dude twice despite showing any sense of ethics who will say & do whatever it takes to stay 'on top'?
so, there you go.
Ethics are subjective. Name one of his policies that were “unethical”. You argue ethnics but support killing of unborn babies. You say you’re not an(D) but can’t name one (R) you would vote for. Feigning ignorance is an interesting tactic. So you don’t know who Ilhan Omar is?
He forgot to flush when he left; I just saw a couple of turds on TV, one at the G7 comedy festival and another doing a photo op from Guatamala or somewhere. Couldn't tell if the latter turd had its knee pads on, the cameras cut it off at the waste ...So my plumber is a great guy. Runs a small business with nine employees. He is in his late 30s. He and I frequently discuss politics and he is always riding me to lean more left. He believes that we should all have UH. To him Bill Gates should not receive better healthcare than Bill Smith a 60-year old farmer in Louisiana for example. He believes that we should have higher taxes, fewer loopholes and is glad to pay more to pay it forward. He especially believes we should open more trade schools in urban areas and teach more trades. Mind you he was never a leftist but a true Democrat.
Until today. So last night he was on a major job. He doesn't leave until it is done and that was around 3AM. Mind you het gets up at 6AM daily to go to work. So he is on little sleep and he calls me outraged. He got into his car and doesn't recall what channel it was but it was some Democrat discussing white privilege. Boom. He said he is now officially an Independent. Not a DJT guy but will now listen to more of his message. Believes the Democratic Party abandoned him.
It is interesting because he is a voter that the Democratic Party should go after and I doubt he is the only one they are losing due to their rhetoric.
I welcome your thoughts....
The Ideas That Are Reshaping The Democratic Party And America
Many Americans probably don’t know exactly what terms such as anti-racism, “cancel culture,” “racial equity,” “white privilege” and “systemic racism” mean. And …fivethirtyeight.comWhy are so many voters leaving the Democratic party?
Answer (1 of 75): 1. The Democratic Party divides the American people based on race which makes people angry. They tell the black community they are truly oppressed and have no opportunity. 35% of the black community alone finds that ridiculous and voted republican. Most Americans don’t like race...www.quora.com
The same reason Asians do.So why do whites have 10 times the wealth of blacks and are 1/4 as liable to be stopped by the cops?You believe the country is systematically racist so you’re a barely functional moron.More like the Rupert Murdock etc brainwash with Trump ignorant and dumb enough to believe.Derangement syndrome.And then....there's the Religion of trump.
Pointing out the blatantly obvious is racist n stuff.The same reason Asians do.So why do whites have 10 times the wealth of blacks and are 1/4 as liable to be stopped by the cops?You believe the country is systematically racist so you’re a barely functional moron.More like the Rupert Murdock etc brainwash with Trump ignorant and dumb enough to believe.Derangement syndrome.And then....there's the Religion of trump.
“Fascism” is a term invented by a life long socialist- Mussolini. He failed at life trying to be a socialist, so he literally invented the term “fascism” and embraced being pro-war. Mussolini himself said it was really just “corporatism”, after all if you can get corporations to do your will for you then you really don’t need a state run company do you? Just look at CNN, they are a Democrat State run media in all but name only.Fascism is right wing, brainwashed functional moron.Many decent people are leaving the party of fascism and hate to join decency on the right.So my plumber is a great guy. Runs a small business with nine employees. He is in his late 30s. He and I frequently discuss politics and he is always riding me to lean more left. He believes that we should all have UH. To him Bill Gates should not receive better healthcare than Bill Smith a 60-year old farmer in Louisiana for example. He believes that we should have higher taxes, fewer loopholes and is glad to pay more to pay it forward. He especially believes we should open more trade schools in urban areas and teach more trades. Mind you he was never a leftist but a true Democrat.
Until today. So last night he was on a major job. He doesn't leave until it is done and that was around 3AM. Mind you het gets up at 6AM daily to go to work. So he is on little sleep and he calls me outraged. He got into his car and doesn't recall what channel it was but it was some Democrat discussing white privilege. Boom. He said he is now officially an Independent. Not a DJT guy but will now listen to more of his message. Believes the Democratic Party abandoned him.
It is interesting because he is a voter that the Democratic Party should go after and I doubt he is the only one they are losing due to their rhetoric.
I welcome your thoughts....
The Ideas That Are Reshaping The Democratic Party And America
Many Americans probably don’t know exactly what terms such as anti-racism, “cancel culture,” “racial equity,” “white privilege” and “systemic racism” mean. And …fivethirtyeight.comWhy are so many voters leaving the Democratic party?
Answer (1 of 75): 1. The Democratic Party divides the American people based on race which makes people angry. They tell the black community they are truly oppressed and have no opportunity. 35% of the black community alone finds that ridiculous and voted republican. Most Americans don’t like race...www.quora.com
Yes. They're distinctions without a difference as far as their effects on most people. We see most of the large globalist corporations advocating for turning the U.S. and Europe into a Red Chinese style shithole these days.“Fascism” is a term invented by a life long socialist- Mussolini. He failed at life trying to be a socialist, so he literally invented the term “fascism” and embraced being pro-war. Mussolini himself said it was really just “corporatism”, after all if you can get corporations to do your will for you then you really don’t need a state run company do you? Just look at CNN, they are a Democrat State run media in all but name only.Fascism is right wing, brainwashed functional moron.Many decent people are leaving the party of fascism and hate to join decency on the right.So my plumber is a great guy. Runs a small business with nine employees. He is in his late 30s. He and I frequently discuss politics and he is always riding me to lean more left. He believes that we should all have UH. To him Bill Gates should not receive better healthcare than Bill Smith a 60-year old farmer in Louisiana for example. He believes that we should have higher taxes, fewer loopholes and is glad to pay more to pay it forward. He especially believes we should open more trade schools in urban areas and teach more trades. Mind you he was never a leftist but a true Democrat.
Until today. So last night he was on a major job. He doesn't leave until it is done and that was around 3AM. Mind you het gets up at 6AM daily to go to work. So he is on little sleep and he calls me outraged. He got into his car and doesn't recall what channel it was but it was some Democrat discussing white privilege. Boom. He said he is now officially an Independent. Not a DJT guy but will now listen to more of his message. Believes the Democratic Party abandoned him.
It is interesting because he is a voter that the Democratic Party should go after and I doubt he is the only one they are losing due to their rhetoric.
I welcome your thoughts....
The Ideas That Are Reshaping The Democratic Party And America
Many Americans probably don’t know exactly what terms such as anti-racism, “cancel culture,” “racial equity,” “white privilege” and “systemic racism” mean. And …fivethirtyeight.comWhy are so many voters leaving the Democratic party?
Answer (1 of 75): 1. The Democratic Party divides the American people based on race which makes people angry. They tell the black community they are truly oppressed and have no opportunity. 35% of the black community alone finds that ridiculous and voted republican. Most Americans don’t like race...www.quora.com
In the end it doesn’t matter if the government is truly “communist”, state owned, or “fascist” privately owned, they are all just a means to an end: complete control of society and eradication of personal freedoms, and either system could be used by the “left” or the “right”.
That is precisely what you said. You said morality matters. So you implied she was immoral. My only weakness is my kids. I cannot tell people to F Off like I would like to. I am undefeated in debates vs. you. Mrs. Morality LOL.You said Melania was immoral for posing nude and then you defend those who kill unborn babies as being moral.
that's a lie. i never used the word 'immoral' to describe melania nor used the word 'moral' re: abortion.
what i did do - was describe what she had done in the past. FACTUAL things. all which i can back up. see how that works?
lying is the #1 no no in a debate. i never lie. you just did TWICE.
deflection would/should be #2 in that list of poor debating skills. just like you did by throwing in the kitchen sink on that MASKLESS in MA thread, you are trying to deflect yet again - - - right here.
that would be a big FAIL on yer part, zoggy. guess we all have our weakness'.
Azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
Playtime: I can't
Quite the debater you are. LOL
moving the goal posts is #3 on the 'how not to debate effectively ' list.
' implied' vs 'you said' = you lied when you stated that is what i said.
azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
outstanding me: i can't
why? why do you ask? let's see shall we?
A) i'm not a (D)
B) i can't debate something when i don't know nor want to know all the facts surrounding that particular subject. now- you'll seize on that & sooner or later call me antisemitic.; which is indicative or yer stellar debating skills... right zogerino?
C) i could have turned the tables & moved the goal posts like you love to do in said stellar debating skills - by diverting the actual 'debate' subject; & throw in a deflection of my own by asking:
why do the (R)s do biz'nez with a country that supports forced abortions, allowing tax loopholes the size of manhatten to exist so BIGCORP can have most of there sweatshops there & don't want to pay american worker bees a living wage... & god FORBID - unionise ?
D) ...
^^^ now what? mr. 'i'll vote for a dude twice despite showing any sense of ethics who will say & do whatever it takes to stay 'on top'?
so, there you go.
Ethics are subjective. Name one of his policies that were “unethical”. You argue ethnics but support killing of unborn babies. You say you’re not an(D) but can’t name one (R) you would vote for. Feigning ignorance is an interesting tactic. So you don’t know who Ilhan Omar is?
Trump gained 17% more votes. That’s not losing voters.Many suburban whites defected from the Republicans to the Democrats which is why Trump lost reelection and why the Republicans lost the House in 2018 and the Senate in 2020
That is precisely what you said. You said morality matters. So you implied she was immoral. My only weakness is my kids. I cannot tell people to F Off like I would like to. I am undefeated in debates vs. you. Mrs. Morality LOL.You said Melania was immoral for posing nude and then you defend those who kill unborn babies as being moral.
that's a lie. i never used the word 'immoral' to describe melania nor used the word 'moral' re: abortion.
what i did do - was describe what she had done in the past. FACTUAL things. all which i can back up. see how that works?
lying is the #1 no no in a debate. i never lie. you just did TWICE.
deflection would/should be #2 in that list of poor debating skills. just like you did by throwing in the kitchen sink on that MASKLESS in MA thread, you are trying to deflect yet again - - - right here.
that would be a big FAIL on yer part, zoggy. guess we all have our weakness'.
Azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
Playtime: I can't
Quite the debater you are. LOL
moving the goal posts is #3 on the 'how not to debate effectively ' list.
' implied' vs 'you said' = you lied when you stated that is what i said.
azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
outstanding me: i can't
why? why do you ask? let's see shall we?
A) i'm not a (D)
B) i can't debate something when i don't know nor want to know all the facts surrounding that particular subject. now- you'll seize on that & sooner or later call me antisemitic.; which is indicative or yer stellar debating skills... right zogerino?
C) i could have turned the tables & moved the goal posts like you love to do in said stellar debating skills - by diverting the actual 'debate' subject; & throw in a deflection of my own by asking:
why do the (R)s do biz'nez with a country that supports forced abortions, allowing tax loopholes the size of manhatten to exist so BIGCORP can have most of there sweatshops there & don't want to pay american worker bees a living wage... & god FORBID - unionise ?
D) ...
^^^ now what? mr. 'i'll vote for a dude twice despite showing any sense of ethics who will say & do whatever it takes to stay 'on top'?
so, there you go.
Ethics are subjective. Name one of his policies that were “unethical”. You argue ethnics but support killing of unborn babies. You say you’re not an(D) but can’t name one (R) you would vote for. Feigning ignorance is an interesting tactic. So you don’t know who Ilhan Omar is?
i've voted for several (R)s over the years. local & state but couldn't for national because none appealed enough for me. want some names? i'd love for you to google them....
Those aren’t policies? What specific policies did you dislike? No one is overturning the unborn baby killing law. Stop it.Don’t link it as it’s someone else’s POV in your words what policies did you dislike and why?So we discussed this before and you're dishonest yet again.
<buzzer> wrong. i don't need to be dishonest... but youuuuuuu doooooooooooo................
I asked you to name a policy or policies of his that I would dislike or you dislike and you always go back to character.
<buzzer> wrong. i have.... & i even jumped in the last time unsolicited; but apparently that wasn't good enough, because you didn't ask me di-rectly. the latest i could find being just over a month ago:
Biden got 81 million votes because trump was just that unpopular and hated, right?
post#75
To me character is not as important as policy support.
lol ... you have made that abundantly clear.
donny raped the environment. air, water AND soil. he took fed land - PROTECTED land & hd appointed peope that were the very antithesis of the depts they were in charge of. betsy devos for sec of education? the oil dude who SUED the EPA was appointed t head the EPA? ben carson who turned down HHS because it was too difficult ( but ran for prez ) then becomes sec of HUD? yaaaaaaaaaaa we know why that happened. AND he was able to appoint 3 SC judges that will most likely turn over roe v wade come the fall.
please.
That is precisely what you said. You said morality matters. So you implied she was immoral. My only weakness is my kids. I cannot tell people to F Off like I would like to. I am undefeated in debates vs. you. Mrs. Morality LOL.You said Melania was immoral for posing nude and then you defend those who kill unborn babies as being moral.
that's a lie. i never used the word 'immoral' to describe melania nor used the word 'moral' re: abortion.
what i did do - was describe what she had done in the past. FACTUAL things. all which i can back up. see how that works?
lying is the #1 no no in a debate. i never lie. you just did TWICE.
deflection would/should be #2 in that list of poor debating skills. just like you did by throwing in the kitchen sink on that MASKLESS in MA thread, you are trying to deflect yet again - - - right here.
that would be a big FAIL on yer part, zoggy. guess we all have our weakness'.
Azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
Playtime: I can't
Quite the debater you are. LOL
moving the goal posts is #3 on the 'how not to debate effectively ' list.
' implied' vs 'you said' = you lied when you stated that is what i said.
azog: Democratic Party just voted against sanctions against countries that support Hamas. How do you explain that?
outstanding me: i can't
why? why do you ask? let's see shall we?
A) i'm not a (D)
B) i can't debate something when i don't know nor want to know all the facts surrounding that particular subject. now- you'll seize on that & sooner or later call me antisemitic.; which is indicative or yer stellar debating skills... right zogerino?
C) i could have turned the tables & moved the goal posts like you love to do in said stellar debating skills - by diverting the actual 'debate' subject; & throw in a deflection of my own by asking:
why do the (R)s do biz'nez with a country that supports forced abortions, allowing tax loopholes the size of manhatten to exist so BIGCORP can have most of there sweatshops there & don't want to pay american worker bees a living wage... & god FORBID - unionise ?
D) ...
^^^ now what? mr. 'i'll vote for a dude twice despite showing any sense of ethics who will say & do whatever it takes to stay 'on top'?
so, there you go.
Ethics are subjective. Name one of his policies that were “unethical”. You argue ethnics but support killing of unborn babies. You say you’re not an(D) but can’t name one (R) you would vote for. Feigning ignorance is an interesting tactic. So you don’t know who Ilhan Omar is?
& one more thing, zogsterrrrrrrr............ i have much more respect for stormy daniels - the HARD CORE porn star than i ever would for donny. at least she has empathy & humanity... something the chosen one could never muster. he is simply incapable of it;just as all sociopaths cannot.
Back when Mussolini was starting Facism the corporations he was referring to werent big businesses. It was a body of people.“Fascism” is a term invented by a life long socialist- Mussolini. He failed at life trying to be a socialist, so he literally invented the term “fascism” and embraced being pro-war. Mussolini himself said it was really just “corporatism”, after all if you can get corporations to do your will for you then you really don’t need a state run company do you? Just look at CNN, they are a Democrat State run media in all but name only.Fascism is right wing, brainwashed functional moron.Many decent people are leaving the party of fascism and hate to join decency on the right.So my plumber is a great guy. Runs a small business with nine employees. He is in his late 30s. He and I frequently discuss politics and he is always riding me to lean more left. He believes that we should all have UH. To him Bill Gates should not receive better healthcare than Bill Smith a 60-year old farmer in Louisiana for example. He believes that we should have higher taxes, fewer loopholes and is glad to pay more to pay it forward. He especially believes we should open more trade schools in urban areas and teach more trades. Mind you he was never a leftist but a true Democrat.
Until today. So last night he was on a major job. He doesn't leave until it is done and that was around 3AM. Mind you het gets up at 6AM daily to go to work. So he is on little sleep and he calls me outraged. He got into his car and doesn't recall what channel it was but it was some Democrat discussing white privilege. Boom. He said he is now officially an Independent. Not a DJT guy but will now listen to more of his message. Believes the Democratic Party abandoned him.
It is interesting because he is a voter that the Democratic Party should go after and I doubt he is the only one they are losing due to their rhetoric.
I welcome your thoughts....
The Ideas That Are Reshaping The Democratic Party And America
Many Americans probably don’t know exactly what terms such as anti-racism, “cancel culture,” “racial equity,” “white privilege” and “systemic racism” mean. And …fivethirtyeight.comWhy are so many voters leaving the Democratic party?
Answer (1 of 75): 1. The Democratic Party divides the American people based on race which makes people angry. They tell the black community they are truly oppressed and have no opportunity. 35% of the black community alone finds that ridiculous and voted republican. Most Americans don’t like race...www.quora.com
In the end it doesn’t matter if the government is truly “communist”, state owned, or “fascist” privately owned, they are all just a means to an end: complete control of society and eradication of personal freedoms, and either system could be used by the “left” or the “right”.