'My health insurance is going up to $800 a month with a $15k deductible and that's the CHEAPEST PLAN"

[Lisa558]

Yes, agreed. And people who pay for insurance and treatment arent fairing well. Why does it HAVE to be this way?

Well, forcing some people to subsidize the costs for other people made it worse.

We would be better off going back to the way things were before Obamacare, when middle class people could afford insurance. The poor would stay on Medicaid.

 

[initforme]

As long as the poir get the exact same benefits and treatment as the wealthy then yes. Even a notch below no.

 

[dblack]

As long as the poir get the exact same benefits and treatment as the wealthy then yes. Even a notch below no.

Nice. Should all of life's necessities be treated likewise? Food, housing, etc ?

 

[80zephyr]

America has got the system they want, an expensive private system that gives many an expensive bill if they dare use it. When you live in a country with State funded and private healthcare (choose and mix and match both), America's system seems bizarre.

Most Canadians (around 70-76%) have
some form of health coverage, with the majority (about two-thirds) relying on private insurance, usually employer-sponsored, for services not covered by Canada's public system, like dental, vision, and prescriptions.

 

[initforme]

Nice. Should all of life's necessities be treated likewise? Food, housing, etc ?

If one is working full time then why not?

 

[Leo123]

Well, forcing some people to subsidize the costs for other people made it worse.

We would be better off going back to the way things were before Obamacare, when middle class people could afford insurance. The poor would stay on Medicaid.

Socialism and Marxism is on parade with Obama-care because Obama was and is a Marxist. Equality of outcome for everyone means bad outcome for everyone.

 

[Flopper]

It failed young people with expensive plans with absurdly high deductibles. It failed families with incredible increases in premiums every year. Over all Obamacare is an ongoing disaster build from the lies of Barack Obama and the Democrats.

Let me remind that that young people age 19-26 were the most uninsured group before the ACA. After the ACA, young people were allowed to stay on their parents insurance to age 26. Those that had only part time or temp work were often able to quality extended Medicaid which was part of the ACA. Thus the number of uninsured young people dropped drastically after the ACA.

My daughter who has 2 kids, complained constantly about about her $3,ooo healthcare insurance deductible. After her oldest had an emergency appendectomy at a cost of $28,000, I never hear a word of complain about her high deductible health insurance.

IMHO, government should subsidies, diagnostic testing. Far too many people are dying needless of diseases that can be easily treated if caught in the early stages. Several studies have show that people with high educatable insurance are more like to die from serious diseases because they are diagnosed too late.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I hate morons with purple hearts for self inflicted nicks and silver stars for actions that unnecessarily puts his on troops at risk just for personal glory. Then throws someone else's medals over some fence pretending it's his own. Or preaches tax the rich while sheltering his on yacht in a different state then his on in order to not have to pay his states taxes on it.

John Kerry and Mitt Romney.

What does Romney have to do with all of that? That was Kerry only.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Socialism and Marxism is on parade with Obama-care because Obama was and is a Marxist. Equality of outcome for everyone means bad outcome for everyone.

Thats great but it does not help people and their medical care.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If one is working full time then why not?

Because someone working full time flipping burgers is not as valuable as someone working full time in a profession that provides that provides much more value for their work. That's something you apparently don't understand Methusaleh.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Agreed. However its crazy to see insurance companies also buying up healthcare services. Thats corrupt if you examine it. Here our nurses are going to pissibly strike. The cheapskate corporstion should just pay them.

How is that pissible?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If those companies were pushed to compete in all of the country and not just states and/or counties, competition would create better pricing.

I think you overestimate the impact. For example, do you know how many insurance companies were available in my area when I thought I might have to enroll in ObozoCare? I believe the number was in the 70s different plans with multiple insurance companies, including ever major provider in the US. There were so many to choose from it was almost a crap shoot on which one to go with.

 

[Leo123]

Thats great but it does not help people and their medical care.

Neither does Obamacare which imposes restrictions and high insurance costs. I like the idea of individual health care accounts. The patient directly pays the health care professional. I believe it will lower rates as there is no government cash cow involved.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Most Canadians (around 70-76%) have
some form of health coverage, with the majority (about two-thirds) relying on private insurance, usually employer-sponsored, for services not covered by Canada's public system, like dental, vision, and prescriptions.

I've always paid private for dental and eye exams/glasses. The NHS do partially subsidise those but it's nigh on impossible to get an NHS dentist because many pulled out of the NHS contract because it's so poor. If you record low earnings, you receive a card/letter for discounts and free prescriptions. The young and the old get free prescriptions. So Canada and the UK are similar.

 

[Leo123]

Let me remind that that young people age 19-26 were the most uninsured group before the ACA. After the ACA, young people were allowed to stay on their parents insurance to age 26. Those that had only part time or temp work were often able to quality extended Medicaid which was part of the ACA. Thus the number of uninsured young people dropped drastically after the ACA.

My daughter who has 2 kids, complained constantly about about her $3,ooo healthcare insurance deductible. After her oldest had an emergency appendectomy at a cost of $28,000, I never hear a word of complain about her high deductible health insurance.

IMHO, government should subsidies, diagnostic testing. Far too many people are dying needless of diseases that can be easily treated if caught in the early stages. Several studies have show that people with high educatable insurance are more like to die from serious diseases because they are diagnosed too late.

The problem with government subsidies is that the 'deep pockets' of the government tend to increase prices as health providers discover they can bill higher and higher and the government will just foot the bill. People don't complain because their health is held as hostage.

 

[Lisa558]

Socialism and Marxism is on parade with Obama-care because Obama was and is a Marxist. Equality of outcome for everyone means bad outcome for everyone.

Yup. It destroys the middle class and everyone ends up equally being poor and miserable.

 

[Leo123]

I've always paid private for dental and eye exams/glasses. The NHS do partially subsidise those but it's nigh on impossible to get an NHS dentist because many pulled out of the NHS contract because it's so poor. If you record low earnings, you receive a card/letter for discounts and free prescriptions. The young and the old get free prescriptions. So Canada and the UK are similar.

Nothing is free and discounts can be subsidized by a deep pocket government which can cause prices to escalate.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Nothing is free and discounts can be subsidized by a deep pocket government which can cause prices to escalate.

80% of NHS funding is via tax from the government. The rest is from private and out of pocket costs.

Medicine prices in the UK are heavily controlled by a voluntary scheme, and a statutory scheme.

 

[initforme]

Neither does Obamacare which imposes restrictions and high insurance costs. I like the idea of individual health care accounts. The patient directly pays the health care professional. I believe it will lower rates as there is no government cash cow involved.

Then you should be a proponent of raising wages across the board bigly. Most working folk dont have enough $ to directly pay for services. That isnt realistic unless employers are willing to put 20 thousand dollars per year. If thats the plan then force them to.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Then you should be a proponent of raising wages across the board bigly. Most working folk dont have enough $ to directly pay for services. That isnt realistic unless employers are willing to put 20 thousand dollars per year. If thats the plan then force them to.

Bless you little socialist heart!