'My health insurance is going up to $800 a month with a $15k deductible and that's the CHEAPEST PLAN"

[Lisa558]

Because Republicans got rid of the individual mandate, which was the mechanism that kept premiums low by keeping healthy people in the pool.

The mandate was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I’d say if a redistribution system (which is how Obamacare was designed) only works if it violates the Constitution, it’s not a good plan.

Obama knew this, and his design WAS for it to fail, and thus get the universal health care he wanted.

 

[Lisa558]

Lol.. Obamacare is based on the Republican Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts health care plan.

And we all know Romney is a RINO.

 

[Lisa558]

Yup. Obummercare was not as affordable as they claimed.

The Dems’ definition of “affordable” is having someone else pay for it.

“Hey! My health insurance premium is so affordable - only $120 a month - because my next-door neighbor, his cousin, his cousin’s brother-in-law, and the guy who fixes my toilet are all pitching in to pay the $680 difference.”

 

[JoeB131]

The mandate was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

I’d say if a redistribution system (which is how Obamacare was designed) only works if it violates the Constitution, it’s not a good plan.

Obama knew this, and his design WAS for it to fail, and thus get the universal health care he wanted.

The Supreme Court ruled it was constitutional.

Trump gutted it by allowing people to avoid getting insurance.

 

[JoeB131]

The Dems’ definition of “affordable” is having someone else pay for it.

“Hey! My health insurance premium is so affordable - only $120 a month - because my next-door neighbor, his cousin, his cousin’s brother-in-law, and the guy who fixes my toilet are all pitching in to pay the $680 difference.”

How is that any different than your employer subsidizing it?

Here's the thing, if you don't get sick, you are out $120.00. Then you are the one subsidizing the guy who fixed your toilet, who maybe did get sick.

The ironic thing is, insurance is just as socialist as any government program.

The REAL problem is that Health Care Inflation is three times regular inflation. Combine that with the average lifespan pushing 80, and yes, we can't afford it.

 

[dblack]

How is that any different than your employer subsidizing it?

Giving your employer control over your health care is almost as dumb as giving it to the government. But ... your employer can't have you arrested if you piss them off. Plus, if your employer doesn't give you what you need, you can find another job. Finding another government is a bit more difficult.

The ironic thing is, insurance is just as socialist as any government program.

Not really. Insurance isn't "free shit".

The REAL problem is that Health Care Inflation is three times regular inflation.

LOL - duh. And the reason for that is that bad regulation and tax policy have pushed us into carrying TOO MUCH insurance. That's what drives health care inflation.

For the most part, we have two types of health care consumers in the US: those who are insured, and don't care what their health care costs because they're not paying for it, and those who aren't insured and don't care what their health care costs because they're not paying for it. That's right. No one cares what their health care costs because no one is paying for their own health care. That's why the prices keep going up.

 

[JoeB131]

Libertarian Children who think the world works through Free Market fairy dust.

Giving your employer control over your health care is almost as dumb as giving it to the government. But ... your employer can't have you arrested if you piss them off.

Funny, I thought we arrested people for breaking laws, not just pissing the government off.

The problem is, most of us couldn't negotiate for affordable health insurance individually.

Plus, if your employer doesn't give you what you need, you can find another job. Finding another government is a bit more difficult.

Well, we have these things called "elections". You just can't piss away your vote on third parties, that's the trick.

LOL - duh. And the reason for that is that bad regulation and tax policy have pushed us into carrying TOO MUCH insurance. That's what drives health care inflation.

No, what drives HC inflation is that big pharma and big hospital are too ******* greedy.

For the most part, we have two types of health care consumers in the US: those who are insured, and don't care what their health care costs because they're not paying for it, and those who aren't insured and don't care what their health care costs because they're not paying for it. That's right. No one cares what their health care costs because no one is paying for their own health care. That's why the prices keep going up.

Except we are. I'm paying a thousand bucks a month for insurance for myself and my wife.

And it barely covers anything, judging by the bills I'm getting for my last round of medical care.

 

[Slyhunter]

Lol.. Obamacare is based on the Republican Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts health care plan.

Mitt Romney the tax dodging Rhino.

 

[JoeB131]

Mitt Romney the tax dodging Rhino.

It amazes me that the Cult of Trump hates everyone they ran for President for the last 30 years who wasn't Trump. .

 

[Slyhunter]

It amazes me that the Cult of Trump hates everyone they ran for President for the last 30 years who wasn't Trump. .

I hate morons with purple hearts for self inflicted nicks and silver stars for actions that unnecessarily puts his on troops at risk just for personal glory. Then throws someone else's medals over some fence pretending it's his own. Or preaches tax the rich while sheltering his on yacht in a different state then his on in order to not have to pay his states taxes on it.

John Kerry and Mitt Romney.

 

[dblack]

Libertarian Children ...

Troll mode already? You weren't losing THAT badly. At least your tells are consistent.

Funny, I thought we arrested people for breaking laws, not just pissing the government off.

Clearly you haven't been following the Trump administration.

Well, we have these things called "elections".

Those have been working great!

You just can't piss away your vote on third parties, that's the trick.

So you think I should vote Republican instead? I'm sure as hell not wasting my vote on the socialist douchebags you're pitching.

 

[JoeB131]

I hate morons with purple hearts for self inflicted nicks and silver stars for actions that unnecessarily puts his on troops at risk just for personal glory. Then throws someone else's medals over some fence pretending it's his own. Or preaches tax the rich while sheltering his on yacht in a different state then his on in order to not have to pay his states taxes on it.

John Kerry and Mitt Romney.

I wasn't talking about John Kerry.

I was talking about Dubya Bush, who you guys hate now.
And Mitt Romney, who you guys hate now
And John McCain, who you guys hate now

tell me you are in a cult without telling me you are in a cult.

 

[westwall]

I wasn't talking about John Kerry.

I was talking about Dubya Bush, who you guys hate now.
And Mitt Romney, who you guys hate now
And John McCain, who you guys hate now

tell me you are in a cult without telling me you are in a cult.

We always disliked them.

Dumbass.

 

[JoeB131]

We always disliked them.

Dumbass.

You did? Because I seem to remember you guys were all in on Romney in 2011 and 2012 when I first came here.

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia!

 

[westwall]

You did? Because I seem to remember you guys were all in on Romney in 2011 and 2012 when I first came here.

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia!

You remember wrongly.

 

[AntonToo]

Why?, because they were forced to.

DURRRRRR

wtf? There is no coverage enforcement mechanism of any sort.

Any other lies to share?

 

[JoeB131]

You remember wrongly.

No, actually, I don't. I remember taking all sorts of shit about not supporting Romney, and even more for pointing out he's a member of a whacky cult.

 

[westwall]

No, actually, I don't. I remember taking all sorts of shit about not supporting Romney, and even more for pointing out he's a member of a whacky cult.

Yea, you do.

 

[Slyhunter]

I wasn't talking about John Kerry.

I was talking about Dubya Bush, who you guys hate now.
And Mitt Romney, who you guys hate now
And John McCain, who you guys hate now

tell me you are in a cult without telling me you are in a cult.

talk like a Democrat, stink like a Democrat ...

 

[80zephyr]