'My health insurance is going up to $800 a month with a $15k deductible and that's the CHEAPEST PLAN"

[dblack]

Just swapping one pool for another.

Nope

 

[DonGlock26]

The ACA delivered on most of what was promised. It expanded health insurance coverage to millions, significantly lowering the uninsured rate to historic lows through Medicaid expansion, subsidized marketplace plans, and allowing young adults on parents' plans until age 26; it also introduced crucial consumer protections like guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions, banned lifetime/annual limits, mandated free preventive care, and improved quality standards for plans.

Probably the most Signiant failure of the ACA was increased regulations which resulted in increased premiums which Obama had promised to bring down. It was also far more expensive to tax payers than anticipated.

It failed young people with expensive plans with absurdly high deductibles. It failed families with incredible increases in premiums every year. Over all Obamacare is an ongoing disaster build from the lies of Barack Obama and the Democrats.

 

[Slyhunter]

Nope

Yup.

 

[Slyhunter]

It failed young people with expensive plans with absurdly high deductibles. It failed families with incredible increases in premiums every year. Over all Obamacare is an ongoing disaster build from the lies of Barack Obama and the Democrats.

Obamacare made ins. that was too expensive for poor people to ins. that's too expensive for everyone. that made a bad problem much worse.

 

[DonGlock26]

Obamacare made ins. that was too expensive for poor people to ins. that's too expensive for everyone. that made a bad problem much worse.

It did make the insurance companies hugh profits.

 

[dblack]

Yup.

No. You're comparing apples and oranges. Medicaid is a social safety net for poor people. ACA is for everyone. Everyone won't fit in a safety net.

 

[DonGlock26]

"Obama Received $20 Million from Healthcare Industry in 2008 Campaign
Almost three times the amount given to McCain

by Brad Jacobson for the Raw Story –

While some sunlight has been shed on the hefty sums shoveled into congressional campaign coffers in an effort to influence the Democrats’ massive healthcare bill, little attention has been focused on the far larger sums received by President Barack Obama while he was a candidate in 2008.

A new figure, based on an exclusive analysis created for Raw Story by the Center for Responsive Politics, shows that President Obama received a staggering $20,175,303 from the healthcare industry during the 2008 election cycle, nearly three times the amount of his presidential rival John McCain. McCain took in $7,758,289, the Center found."

Healthcare-NOW

Organizing for Medicare for All — because healthcare is a human right.

www.healthcare-now.org

 

[Rambunctious]

Dems purposely break things so they can run on how bad it is and get votes to "fix It"...
What kind of devils do that?...

 

[dblack]

Dems purposely break things so they can run on how bad it is and get votes to "fix It"...
What kind of devils do that?...

You've just described the two party system!

 

[westwall]

As I recall, Obumma really had nothing to do with ACA and had never even read it. It was all devised by some third party the Dems hired and it was delivered to Congress to sign in the 11th hour with their backs to the wall with no one having nearly enough time to even begin to read its 80,000 pages or whatever, and the Dems of course unilaterally signed it into law happily.

Yes, but obummer lied incessantly about the affects of obummer care.

 

[Rambunctious]

You've just described the two party system!

Dems invented Obamacare and ruined the system and inserted their fucked up ideas they already had in Pelosi's desk drawer for decades....

 

[JLW]

Dems invented Obamacare and ruined the system and inserted their fucked up ideas they already had in Pelosi's desk drawer for decades....

Lol.. Obamacare is based on the Republican Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts health care plan.

 

[BluesLegend]

I pay for my own health insurance and don't need assistance.

Meh, nobody gives a shit. Do you want a participation trophy?

 

[Rambunctious]

Lol.. Obamacare is based on the Republican Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts health care plan.

Well there ya go...
Today its riddled with cost issues and enforcing the mandates for coverage... its going broke just like Obamacare... its basically Obamacare by a state... in fact Obama who never had an original idea in his life stole it...

 

[toobfreak]

Yes, but obummer lied incessantly about the affects of obummer care.

Bold, wildly inaccurate, demonstrable lies that he had obviously been paid a lot to claim by insurance thieves.

WHAT a racket~~~

1. Invent a need for your product.
2. Create a monolithic monopoly over your consumer.
3. Charge out the ass, keep all of the money, while giving out little if any reward thus assuring your victims always come back for more.

The mob could never get away with such a Ponzi so one is only left assuming the government must take a cut.

 

[AntonToo]

Healthcare costs have skyrocketed and deductibles have made Obamacare policies useless to Americans.
The only people benefiting are insurance executives and their stock holders.

… if it’s useless then why do 20+ million have it?

Lay off the Kool-aid, you don’t sound sober.

 

[AntonToo]

The ACA delivered on most of what was promised. It expanded health insurance coverage to millions, significantly lowering the uninsured rate to historic lows through Medicaid expansion, subsidized marketplace plans, and allowing young adults on parents' plans until age 26; it also introduced crucial consumer protections like guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions, banned lifetime/annual limits, mandated free preventive care, and improved quality standards for plans.

Probably the most Signiant failure of the ACA was increased regulations which resulted in increased premiums which Obama had promised to bring down. It was also far more expensive to tax payers than anticipated.

So you credit ACA for increased regulation of the market…but say it’s failure was increased regulations?

When you provide quality coverage…that costs more than poor coverage and denying benefits based on fine print.

When you don’t discriminate against pre-existing conditions…that costs more than keeping those people out of the risk pool.

When you don’t have annual/lifetime limits…that costs more than cutting people off once they hit the max payout.

 

[Godboy]

Sorry. Credit, where credit is due. Republicans got almost 120 concessions in that bill they whine so copiously about. And then, NONE of them proceeded to vote for. Whiny little bitches.

Took a piece of it year by year. Repeal and replace. Then just repeal. Years and years of you ******* idiots promising "our plan is right around the corner". When the rest of us knew you didn't have shit. Meanwhile, costs continue to go up and you continue to whine. The rest of us knew this was going to happen. You Republicans and conservatives (I really hate using that word, it doesn't exist anymore, the word is Alt-Right) own this debacle.

So sit down and shut up. Or put up.
But we both know you don't have a plan.

How the **** are republicans supposed to not only come up with a new plan, but also find the votes to get rid of YOUR shit plan? You saddle the entire US with with your failed ******* Obamacare and then you blame us for not fixing everything?

Shut the **** up.

 

[initforme]

There is a lesson from bowling that is analogous to the current quandary in health insurance.

It is this: When you are fretting about understanding the oil pattern on the lanes, you cannot even begin to study it until you hit your target on the lanes consistently. This is because you have to know your starting point before you ask directions (another analogy, I know).

The (Un)Affordable Care Act grossly distorted the health insurance market. It did this by forbidding insurers from rejecting clients and categorizing clients according to risk profiles, as they had always done. Because of this, people with terrible risk profiles were grouped in with normal, healthy people, causing premiums to increase dramatically for the vast majority of the population. So "we" are wondering how to resolve the problem, but there is no solution possible from this perverse situation.

The first thing that has to happen is to repeal the ACA, so that insurance rates can float back to where they should be, THEN let's talk about how to deal with those people with extraordinary risk profiles - the people with the dreaded "pre-existing conditions." This MUST be done in conjunction with the States, because the Feds have no Article I power to **** with health insurance.

The subsidies were created by Democrats to conceal what a total failure the Affordable Care Act was at keeping rates down - which it was never expected to do. Now instead of getting back to a rational baseline, we are trying to decide how to fine tune the subsidies. See my second paragraph above.

Pre existing conditions should have no extra effect on anything. Simply have insurance companies cover them in the same way they cover the rest.

 

[westwall]

… if it’s useless then why do 20+ million have it?

Lay off the Kool-aid, you don’t sound sober.

Why?, because they were forced to.

DURRRRRR