"Mummy my tummy hurts" - How guns keep you safe.

[freyasman]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
========
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
=============

How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).

Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

============

A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.
========

Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH

You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

OR perhaps I’ve seen one too many of your 12,000 word cut n pastes?
Yes indeed - consolidate in order to have more barrel stoking c&p’s for immediate regurgitation!
One in 200 Americans thwarts a crime or defends themself with a gun each year?

Tommy made a challenge.....I posted a response that showed once again that he, like you and the other anti-gun extremists have no rational arguments for what you believe.

I’m a gun owner loony bird. This makes me an “anti-gun extremist”
You shot your street cred in the foot f’n YEARS ago.

Yeah......and anti-gun extremists want their own guns, but want to take guns away from everyone else.....you idiot...you are the classic example.

You have a vivid imagination but no, I want no such thing.

Yeah.....let's test that out...

Your thoughts on ...

--gun registration

--gun licenses

--universal background checks

--magazine limits

--AR-15 rifles...

That list should let us know a lot about your position on 2nd Amendment Rights...

Sure ...

100% universal BG checks including sales involving unlicensed sellers.
3 day waiting period and expansion of checks to include domestic violence and obvious mental health challenges.
4 hours mandatory classroom and range training.
Mandatory training & licensing on concealed carry.

Over 90% of the country want these things including over 70% of NRA members (not that this remains a badge of honor ;-)

YOU are the outlier.

Over 90% of the country want these things including over 70% of NRA members

The only way you get those numbers is to lie to those taking the poll........but thanks for playing...

UPDATE: Michael Bloomberg put initiatives on the November 2016 ballots in Maine and Nevada to mandate background checks on the private transfer of guns. In Maine, the initiative lost by four percentage points despite Bloomberg outspending the opponents by a 6-to-1 margin. In Nevada, the initiative eeked out a 0.8 percentage point win, but because it didn’t include any funding, which was excluded to help it pass, the initiative never went into effect. Bloomberg outspent the initiative’s opponents by 3-to-1. An earlier initiative in Washington State passed more handily by a 59-to-41 percent margin, but supporters outspent opponents by a 50-to-1 margin.

Despite truly massive spending by gun control advocates to support these initiatives, none of them have come within 20 percentage points of the most conservative claims about polls for universal background checks.

Original Post (December 24, 2013): Earlier this year Nate Silver assured people that there were solid polls showing “Overwhelming majorities of 80 to 90 percent of the public say they favor background checks.” See also here. On Monday, soon to be former Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Shannon Watts (with Moms Demand Action) repeated the claim and make the related point that even among NRA members “74 percent support background checks for all gun sales” (this last poll number was paid for by Bloomberg). Indeed the notion that the NRA isn’t representing members of the NRA has become a common claim made by gun control organizations. But there were a couple major problems with these poll numbers: 1) People were really just being asked about whether they wanted to keep criminals from getting guns, not about a particular piece of legislation. 2) The surveys asked a vague question with no information on how the current system works.

Polls about specific proposals produce dramatically lower levels of support.

There was a poll in April by the PEW Research Center that gets at the first issue and I think is much more accurate. It asks people whether they are happy that the Senate gun control bill was stopped in April. Apparently, both Republicans and Independents are generally happy that it was stopped by 51-to-34 and 48-to-41 margins. My guess is that Republican Senators are paying a lot more attention to what Independents and Republicans wanted than Democrats who would never have voted for the Republicans anyway. It looks to me that Republicans voted the way that their constituents wanted. So Republicans shouldn’t really care that among all voters the poll showed support of 47 to 39 percent. If you want to explain why Republican Senators voted against the measure, you should look at the results by political affiliation.

Remember those claims that 80 to 90% of Americans wanted expanded background checks?: Well, no so much support for specific bills - Crime Prevention Research Center

UPDATE January 27, 2014: In a new national ad, former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords again implies that since 90% of Americans support background checks that means that they will support the legislation that she is pushing.

crimeresearch.org

2a invokes his secret trove of cut-n-paste moonbattery

All of which is correct, and none of which you can ever seem to refute.





But do keep on embarrassing yourself...... it's funny to watch.

 

[DrLove]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
========
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
=============

How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).

Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

============

A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.
========

Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH

You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

OR perhaps I’ve seen one too many of your 12,000 word cut n pastes?
Yes indeed - consolidate in order to have more barrel stoking c&p’s for immediate regurgitation!
One in 200 Americans thwarts a crime or defends themself with a gun each year?

Tommy made a challenge.....I posted a response that showed once again that he, like you and the other anti-gun extremists have no rational arguments for what you believe.

I’m a gun owner loony bird. This makes me an “anti-gun extremist”
You shot your street cred in the foot f’n YEARS ago.

Yeah......and anti-gun extremists want their own guns, but want to take guns away from everyone else.....you idiot...you are the classic example.

You have a vivid imagination but no, I want no such thing.

Yeah.....let's test that out...

Your thoughts on ...

--gun registration

--gun licenses

--universal background checks

--magazine limits

--AR-15 rifles...

That list should let us know a lot about your position on 2nd Amendment Rights...

Sure ...

100% universal BG checks including sales involving unlicensed sellers.
3 day waiting period and expansion of checks to include domestic violence and obvious mental health challenges.
4 hours mandatory classroom and range training.
Mandatory training & licensing on concealed carry.

Over 90% of the country want these things including over 70% of NRA members (not that this remains a badge of honor ;-)

YOU are the outlier.

The mandatory training and licensing...will they be free?

The public trainings - Yes

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

That kid could have just as easily drank some Drano.

And it's not the gun's fault it's the fault of the idiot parents.

Maybe we should require licenses to have kids

His parents didnt kill him. America did.

That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard...lol

People get shot every day in the US and you always say that nothing can be done. Yup, you killed him.

 

[2aguy]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

That kid could have just as easily drank some Drano.

And it's not the gun's fault it's the fault of the idiot parents.

Maybe we should require licenses to have kids

His parents didnt kill him. America did.

That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard...lol

People get shot every day in the US and you always say that nothing can be done. Yup, you killed him.

Criminals get shot everyday int the U.S.....not normal Americans.....

We know exactly what can be done...when we catch gun criminals we lock them up for 30 years to life....

Unfortunately....the democrat party, our left wing party, keeps letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail and prison...

This is why we have gun crime in our democrat party controlled cities.......

 

[Tommy Tainant]

42 Americans have been shot and killed since I started this thread. Not mass shootings just every day killings.
Nothing gets done as your politicians are weak and the gunmen are out of control. Law and order has broken down.

Number of Deaths in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

That would be when the Nazis marched in and took over France, without any of the French cowards offering any resistance at all.

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Well actually the French resisted through the war and many of them took part in the Battle of Britain. I dont think you are educated enough to know this but there you go.

Meantime Bob, what do you think of a country that allows infants to be shot in their car seat because their Mam gestured to another car ? Im keen to understand your thoughts on that.

Well actually the French resisted through the war and many of them took part in the Battle of Britain.

What were they doing, fueling the German planes?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

I live in Chicago, so I can see your point.
But we also had some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country
for several decades and it didn't seem to slow down the thugs one bit.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

You focus on feelings and that seems to be a leftist trait. Post the other metrics that prove the claim.

 

[2aguy]

42 Americans have been shot and killed since I started this thread. Not mass shootings just every day killings.
Nothing gets done as your politicians are weak and the gunmen are out of control. Law and order has broken down.

Number of Deaths in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

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42 criminals have been killed.....and if not the actual criminal, the friends, and family, and sadly, the children of criminals are killed in the crossfire......

Our gunmen aren't out of control, the democrat party is out of control....our cops catch the shooters, then the democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison.......using the revolving door laws of the democrat party politicians........

You don't understand the situation here.......

Again...1.1 million times a year normal gun owners save lives, stopping rapes, robberies and murders...

Can you tell which number is bigger?

And Tommy? You should learn the lesson about left wing politicians, judges and prosecutors letting violent gun criminals out of prison...it is beginning to happen across Europe.....

 

[2aguy]

42 Americans have been shot and killed since I started this thread. Not mass shootings just every day killings.
Nothing gets done as your politicians are weak and the gunmen are out of control. Law and order has broken down.

Number of Deaths in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

And that you cite the Gun Violence Archive shows you are not serious about this issue.......

 

[2aguy]

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

That would be when the Nazis marched in and took over France, without any of the French cowards offering any resistance at all.

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Well actually the French resisted through the war and many of them took part in the Battle of Britain. I dont think you are educated enough to know this but there you go.

Meantime Bob, what do you think of a country that allows infants to be shot in their car seat because their Mam gestured to another car ? Im keen to understand your thoughts on that.

Well actually the French resisted through the war and many of them took part in the Battle of Britain.

What were they doing, fueling the German planes?

They were handing over their Jewish citizens to the socialists....to be sent to work and death camps...

 

[2aguy]

42 Americans have been shot and killed since I started this thread. Not mass shootings just every day killings.
Nothing gets done as your politicians are weak and the gunmen are out of control. Law and order has broken down.

Number of Deaths in 2024 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

The majority of those victims are also young black males.....murdered by other young black males in democrat party controlled cities....the majority of all of our gun murder victims...

I know you don't want to think about this, or about the truth that almost all of our gun violence is happening in democrat party controlled cities....but it is the truth..

So again, in MAGA parts of our country, we have guns, we just don't shoot other people with those guns...it is the democrat party controlled areas where criminals are murdering each other .....

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas. These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/

 

[Missourian]

I bet ole Tommy gets down on his knees every night and thanks the good lord that he lives in a country that prohibits the right to keep and bear arms.

He would be scared to death to live in a free country, wouldn't he? Heavens, he may get shot.

Guns???

Guns and knives are nothing but a fleeting memory of lost freedoms in the UK...

They are lucky to still be allowed drinking glasses...

BBC News - Last orders for pint glass as we know it?

news.bbc.co.uk

 

[22lcidw]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

That kid could have just as easily drank some Drano.

And it's not the gun's fault it's the fault of the idiot parents.

Maybe we should require licenses to have kids

His parents didnt kill him. America did.

That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard...lol

People get shot every day in the US and you always say that nothing can be done. Yup, you killed him.

There are people who are not nice. Perhaps in your neck of the woods its all peaches and cream. Anyone who has lived in those areas or in neighborhoods abutting those areas or in cities that see endless attacks on innocent people even without weapons knows the realities. You even see a small percentage with all the videos that are available. And it doesn't end there for the people affected. But for you it does not matter.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Orange county isn't what it used to be. The people are getting more and more violent. And, expecting punishment less and less.

Eso es muy cierto

Something changed here...

 

[Harry Dresden]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
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Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
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How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).

Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

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A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.
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Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH

You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

OR perhaps I’ve seen one too many of your 12,000 word cut n pastes?
Yes indeed - consolidate in order to have more barrel stoking c&p’s for immediate regurgitation!
One in 200 Americans thwarts a crime or defends themself with a gun each year?

Tommy made a challenge.....I posted a response that showed once again that he, like you and the other anti-gun extremists have no rational arguments for what you believe.

I’m a gun owner loony bird. This makes me an “anti-gun extremist”
You shot your street cred in the foot f’n YEARS ago.

Yeah......and anti-gun extremists want their own guns, but want to take guns away from everyone else.....you idiot...you are the classic example.

You have a vivid imagination but no, I want no such thing.

Yeah.....let's test that out...

Your thoughts on ...

--gun registration

--gun licenses

--universal background checks

--magazine limits

--AR-15 rifles...

That list should let us know a lot about your position on 2nd Amendment Rights...

Sure ...

100% universal BG checks including sales involving unlicensed sellers.
3 day waiting period and expansion of checks to include domestic violence and obvious mental health challenges.
4 hours mandatory classroom and range training.
Mandatory training & licensing on concealed carry.

Over 90% of the country want these things including over 70% of NRA members (not that this remains a badge of honor ;-)

YOU are the outlier.

Over 90% of the country want these things including over 70% of NRA members

The only way you get those numbers is to lie to those taking the poll........but thanks for playing...

UPDATE: Michael Bloomberg put initiatives on the November 2016 ballots in Maine and Nevada to mandate background checks on the private transfer of guns. In Maine, the initiative lost by four percentage points despite Bloomberg outspending the opponents by a 6-to-1 margin. In Nevada, the initiative eeked out a 0.8 percentage point win, but because it didn’t include any funding, which was excluded to help it pass, the initiative never went into effect. Bloomberg outspent the initiative’s opponents by 3-to-1. An earlier initiative in Washington State passed more handily by a 59-to-41 percent margin, but supporters outspent opponents by a 50-to-1 margin.

Despite truly massive spending by gun control advocates to support these initiatives, none of them have come within 20 percentage points of the most conservative claims about polls for universal background checks.

Original Post (December 24, 2013): Earlier this year Nate Silver assured people that there were solid polls showing “Overwhelming majorities of 80 to 90 percent of the public say they favor background checks.” See also here. On Monday, soon to be former Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Shannon Watts (with Moms Demand Action) repeated the claim and make the related point that even among NRA members “74 percent support background checks for all gun sales” (this last poll number was paid for by Bloomberg). Indeed the notion that the NRA isn’t representing members of the NRA has become a common claim made by gun control organizations. But there were a couple major problems with these poll numbers: 1) People were really just being asked about whether they wanted to keep criminals from getting guns, not about a particular piece of legislation. 2) The surveys asked a vague question with no information on how the current system works.

Polls about specific proposals produce dramatically lower levels of support.

There was a poll in April by the PEW Research Center that gets at the first issue and I think is much more accurate. It asks people whether they are happy that the Senate gun control bill was stopped in April. Apparently, both Republicans and Independents are generally happy that it was stopped by 51-to-34 and 48-to-41 margins. My guess is that Republican Senators are paying a lot more attention to what Independents and Republicans wanted than Democrats who would never have voted for the Republicans anyway. It looks to me that Republicans voted the way that their constituents wanted. So Republicans shouldn’t really care that among all voters the poll showed support of 47 to 39 percent. If you want to explain why Republican Senators voted against the measure, you should look at the results by political affiliation.

Remember those claims that 80 to 90% of Americans wanted expanded background checks?: Well, no so much support for specific bills - Crime Prevention Research Center

UPDATE January 27, 2014: In a new national ad, former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords again implies that since 90% of Americans support background checks that means that they will support the legislation that she is pushing.

crimeresearch.org

2a invokes his secret trove of cut-n-paste moonbattery

All of which is correct, and none of which you can ever seem to refute.





But do keep on embarrassing yourself...... it's funny to watch.

he said he will refute everything when you can prove unicorns exist......which of course is his way of saying he aint got nothing...

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Spent one week of my life in California. A week at Del Coronado . Stunning and enjoyable.

They have a public course walking distance away. What a fine public course. And I remember it was like only 20 bucks for 18....lol. Usually you'll fork over at least 100 to play a course like that

Played a grand Niklaus course.

We went up to Anaheim for a day at Disney On the way back it was dark and this song came on the radio. That was so much fun blasing that tune down the freeway

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

we kicked the shit out of you antirights fascist brits century's ago because of our right to own firearms

 

[theHawk]

Strange how we get a detailed description of the vehicle, and that it was a female driver and a male passenger who fired the shot, but no description of their race.

Why would that be?

Family of boy, 6, shot dead in 'road rage incident' plead for information

THE devastated family of a six-year-old boy shot and killed in an apparent road rage incident are pleading for the suspects involved to come forward. Aiden Leos was fatally shot while riding in the…

www.the-sun.com

Any reason they would leave out such details?