"Mummy my tummy hurts" - How guns keep you safe.

America is a violent society. It always has been and hopefully always will be.


Actually the great majority of that violence is concentrated in the Democrat controlled big city shitholes and is committed by minority druggies, gang bangers and street thugs.

Most Americans live their entire lives and never see violence or crime except on the news.


Tommy is going to learn all about this....the left wing in Britain wants to do the same things our democrat party is currently doing.....importing 3rd world criminals, releasing them from prison and jail, no matter how serious the crime......

Tommy and all those snobs who think gun crime is American are going to find out European criminals like guns too....
 
America is a violent society. It always has been and hopefully always will be.


Actually the great majority of that violence is concentrated in the Democrat controlled big city shitholes and is committed by minority druggies, gang bangers and street thugs.

Most Americans live their entire lives and never see violence or crime except on the news.


It is hard to find, but comparing crime numbers for WHITE Americans to European numbers and the vast majority of the difference goes away real fast.

The FBI crime stats breaks it down by race although the the term "Hispanic" can be White, Brown or even Black. It pretty well shows that crime among the Black community is way out of proportion to the demographics.


Black men are 7% of the population in the U.S. but commit over 50% of the murders....and the majority of their victims are young black males....
 
A couple of days ago in Lakeland Florida a three year old shot his two year old brother.

How did that happen?

Two Black guys were together in a house watching basketball (LOL). It was at midnight because they were watching West Coast games. They were drinking and using pot and those kids were up instead of sleeping. Mother was not even at home.

The guys had criminal records and one of the idiots brought a loaded pistol into the house and laid it down on the couch. The moron didn't even bother to put the safety on. Because he was doing his sorry ass Negro things he did not bother to keep the gun away from the three year old. The kid thought it was a toy and unfortunately shot the two year old.

The guys rushed the kid to the hospital but had a car accident on the way. Figures.

The dumbass Negroes have been charged with all kinds of crimes. One of them had outstanding warrants. The other one was driving on a suspended license because of a DWI. The child is in critical condition and if he dies then the Negro that owned the gun will be charged with an additional very serious crime.

When my sons were two and three years old they were in bed at 12:00. I did not leave loaded guns lying around. All my firearms were unloaded in the house and locked up.
 
The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?


No....the European experience can be summed up in a Continent drenched in the blood of innocent men, women and children, plus colonialism, imperialism, socialism with it's mass murdering variants of communism and fascism........you guys are butchers...

In the U.S. the majority of our murders are criminals murdering criminals...in Europe, the majority of your murders are your governments murdering innocent men, women and children...
 
A couple of days ago in Lakeland Florida a three year old shot his two year old brother.

How did that happen?

Two Black guys were together in a house watching basketball (LOL). It was at midnight because they were watching West Coast games. They were drinking and using pot and those kids were up instead of sleeping. Mother was not even at home.

The guys had criminal records and one of the idiots brought a loaded pistol into the house and laid it down on the couch. The moron didn't even bother to put the safety on. Because he was doing his sorry ass Negro things he did not bother to keep the gun away from the three year old. The kid thought it was a toy and unfortunately shot the two year old.

The guys rushed the kid to the hospital but had a car accident on the way. Figures.

The dumbass Negroes have been charged with all kinds of crimes. One of them had outstanding warrants. The other one was driving on a suspended license because of a DWI. The child is in critical condition and if he dies then the Negro that owned the gun will be charged with an additional very serious crime.

When my sons were two and three years old they were in bed at 12:00. I did not leave loaded guns lying around. All my firearms were unloaded in the house and locked up.


Can you link to that story.......everytime these asshole gun grabbers drag the body of a dead child into these threads, they never link to an entire story where we get the details of the criminal history of the adults who left the guns lying around....
 
A couple of days ago in Lakeland Florida a three year old shot his two year old brother.

How did that happen?

Two Black guys were together in a house watching basketball (LOL). It was at midnight because they were watching West Coast games. They were drinking and using pot and those kids were up instead of sleeping. Mother was not even at home.

The guys had criminal records and one of the idiots brought a loaded pistol into the house and laid it down on the couch. The moron didn't even bother to put the safety on. Because he was doing his sorry ass Negro things he did not bother to keep the gun away from the three year old. The kid thought it was a toy and unfortunately shot the two year old.

The guys rushed the kid to the hospital but had a car accident on the way. Figures.

The dumbass Negroes have been charged with all kinds of crimes. One of them had outstanding warrants. The other one was driving on a suspended license because of a DWI. The child is in critical condition and if he dies then the Negro that owned the gun will be charged with an additional very serious crime.

When my sons were two and three years old they were in bed at 12:00. I did not leave loaded guns lying around. All my firearms were unloaded in the house and locked up.


Found it....the vast majority of accidental deaths of children because of unsecured guns are due to criminals with illegal guns, guns they can't buy, own or carry......and then because they are criminals, they fail to secure them...

Wilson was arrested for carrying a concealed firearm and failure to safely store a firearm. His prior criminal history includes charges of grand theft, written threats to kill, defrauding an innkeeper, and driving with no valid license.

Deputies also took into custody Chad Berrien, who was arrested on four outstanding warrants for failure to appear for battery, failure to appear for resisting without violence, failure to appear for DWLSR, and failure to appear for driving on revoked/suspended license).

 
The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

That would be when the Nazis marched in and took over France, without any of the French cowards offering any resistance at all.

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Well actually the French resisted through the war and many of them took part in the Battle of Britain. I dont think you are educated enough to know this but there you go.

Meantime Bob, what do you think of a country that allows infants to be shot in their car seat because their Mam gestured to another car ? Im keen to understand your thoughts on that.
Oh WTF you dishonest piece of shit?

No one is "allowing" this shit to go on.....






Damn, you anti-freedom folks are lying ******* shitbags, every damn one of you.
(SMH)
 
A couple of days ago in Lakeland Florida a three year old shot his two year old brother.

How did that happen?

Two Black guys were together in a house watching basketball (LOL). It was at midnight because they were watching West Coast games. They were drinking and using pot and those kids were up instead of sleeping. Mother was not even at home.

The guys had criminal records and one of the idiots brought a loaded pistol into the house and laid it down on the couch. The moron didn't even bother to put the safety on. Because he was doing his sorry ass Negro things he did not bother to keep the gun away from the three year old. The kid thought it was a toy and unfortunately shot the two year old.

The guys rushed the kid to the hospital but had a car accident on the way. Figures.

The dumbass Negroes have been charged with all kinds of crimes. One of them had outstanding warrants. The other one was driving on a suspended license because of a DWI. The child is in critical condition and if he dies then the Negro that owned the gun will be charged with an additional very serious crime.

When my sons were two and three years old they were in bed at 12:00. I did not leave loaded guns lying around. All my firearms were unloaded in the house and locked up.


Can you link to that story.......everytime these asshole gun grabbers drag the body of a dead child into these threads, they never link to an entire story where we get the details of the criminal history of the adults who left the guns lying around....
 
A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.
Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.
Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.


Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.


Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.


There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
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Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
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How did guns keep this child safe ?


At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable ;)
so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?
your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m? :lol:
to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....
Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.


No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....
Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million? :laughing0301:


Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown :laugh2:


And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).


Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

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A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.

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Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)



Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH


You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

OR perhaps I’ve seen one too many of your 12,000 word cut n pastes?
Yes indeed - consolidate in order to have more barrel stoking c&p’s for immediate regurgitation!
One in 200 Americans thwarts a crime or defends themself with a gun each year? :lol:


Tommy made a challenge.....I posted a response that showed once again that he, like you and the other anti-gun extremists have no rational arguments for what you believe.

I’m a gun owner loony bird. This makes me an “anti-gun extremist” :confused-84:
You shot your street cred in the foot f’n YEARS ago.


Yeah......and anti-gun extremists want their own guns, but want to take guns away from everyone else.....you idiot...you are the classic example.

You have a vivid imagination but no, I want no such thing.
 

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?
That kid could have just as easily drank some Drano.

And it's not the gun's fault it's the fault of the idiot parents.

Maybe we should require licenses to have kids
 
The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?
one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?
 

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?
Tommy. This is in South LA. One of the worst shit holes in America known to man. This is MAXINES DISTRICT I BELIEVE. Why don't you write to that Neanderthal and tell her.Oh wait..She lives in a 5 million dollar spread not even near her district.......................LOLOL

LA used to be such a nice place. Destroyed by libturdism.
it happened in the city of Orange in Orange County.....not LA.......
Orange county isn't what it used to be. The people are getting more and more violent. And, expecting punishment less and less.
what does that have to do with what i said?....did this happen in LA like sloop said it did?....
No. But parts of Orange County are as bad as LA.
i lived there for 50 years and i dont agree with that.....
Take a closer look at Anaheim and Santa Ana. SA has gotten gang infested. Where I am is fine because no blacks or hispanics live here. We have whites and Asians.

Yes, Orange County is mighty white. Glad you don’t gotta deal with any of those pesky black n browns :rolleyes-41:
I have had a GUT FULL of blacks and browns. I have a LIFETIME of paid up dues dealing with blacks and browns. The best thing is let them kill one another and keep them away from civilization.

Yes we know Tips, you’d like to round up all blacks, browns, Muslims and gays and hurl them off of rooftops.
You do you! :heehee:
 
A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.
Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.
Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.


Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.


Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.


There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
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Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
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How did guns keep this child safe ?


At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable ;)
so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?
your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m? :lol:
to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....
Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.


No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....
Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million? :laughing0301:


Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown :laugh2:


And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).


Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

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A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.

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Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)



Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH


You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

OR perhaps I’ve seen one too many of your 12,000 word cut n pastes?
Yes indeed - consolidate in order to have more barrel stoking c&p’s for immediate regurgitation!
One in 200 Americans thwarts a crime or defends themself with a gun each year? :lol:


Tommy made a challenge.....I posted a response that showed once again that he, like you and the other anti-gun extremists have no rational arguments for what you believe.

I’m a gun owner loony bird. This makes me an “anti-gun extremist” :confused-84:
You shot your street cred in the foot f’n YEARS ago.


Yeah......and anti-gun extremists want their own guns, but want to take guns away from everyone else.....you idiot...you are the classic example.

You have a vivid imagination but no, I want no such thing.


Yeah.....let's test that out...

Your thoughts on ...

--gun registration

--gun licenses

--universal background checks

--magazine limits

--AR-15 rifles...

That list should let us know a lot about your position on 2nd Amendment Rights...
 
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

I'm just under a couple years short of sixty, and all my life, I've gone about my business without anyone ever shooting at me. I do not have any children, but I know plenty of people who do, and none of their children have ever been shot at or otherwise slaughtered.

In fact, the only significant slaughter of children going on over here is via abortion, which, unless I am mistaken, you actually support, which would totally discredit any claim you might have to any concern at all for the lives and safety of children.

Of course, it is well-known how abysmally ignorant and deceived you are about American culture; and apparently part of that ignorance is that you imagine that over here, gunfights are a common and routine event.
 

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

One person commits a crime and there's something wrong with every American?...lol
This wan't a crime it was an accident. A preventable one for sure but still an accident.
 
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Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?
That kid could have just as easily drank some Drano.

And it's not the gun's fault it's the fault of the idiot parents.

Maybe we should require licenses to have kids


My sons were raised in a house with a significant number of firearms.

They never shot themselves, each other or anybody else. The reason is because I took prudent safety precautions. No loaded firearm was ever left lying around. The boys did not have access to loaded firearms because the firearms were stored unloaded in a locked gun safe.

Even when they were teenagers and had learned to shoot and be safe I didn't give them the combination to the gun safe because I didn't want their friends having access to the firearms and doing something stupid.
 

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?
That kid could have just as easily drank some Drano.

And it's not the gun's fault it's the fault of the idiot parents.

Maybe we should require licenses to have kids


My sons were raised in a house with a significant number of firearms.

They never shot themselves, each other or anybody else. The reason is because I took prudent safety precautions. No loaded firearm was ever left lying around. The boys did not have access to loaded firearms because the firearms were stored unloaded in a locked gun safe.

Even when they were teenagers and had learned to shoot and be safe I didn't give them the combination to the gun safe because I didn't want their friends having access to the firearms and doing something stupid.
And that's true of the vast majority of gun owners who have children.

Thank you.
 

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?
That kid could have just as easily drank some Drano.

And it's not the gun's fault it's the fault of the idiot parents.

Maybe we should require licenses to have kids
That's a good way to get rid of all the idiots. Don't let them breed.

Sadly, we must allow them to, just like these ****** commies must allow us to have machine guns.
 
The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?
one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?
Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.
 
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