"Mummy my tummy hurts" - How guns keep you safe.

[Correll]

America is a violent society. It always has been and hopefully always will be.

Actually the great majority of that violence is concentrated in the Democrat controlled big city shitholes and is committed by minority druggies, gang bangers and street thugs.

Most Americans live their entire lives and never see violence or crime except on the news.

It is hard to find, but comparing crime numbers for WHITE Americans to European numbers and the vast majority of the difference goes away real fast.

 

[Flash]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Except for the shitass African countries we have more Negroes than anybody else and there is where most of the crime and poverty takes place. Most of the "infant mortality" problems comes from Illegals coming here with significant health problems and from the ghetto Blacks and Browns not taking care of their families.

If any country wants to get a taste of America's crime problems all they have to do is import some of our miniority welfare queens. They will get all the crime their little heart desires, regardless of their gun laws.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Left insists we need sensible gun control that keeps citizens unarmed, just like Mao's China, Hitler's Germany and Stalin's USSR.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.

 

[Flash]

America is a violent society. It always has been and hopefully always will be.

Actually the great majority of that violence is concentrated in the Democrat controlled big city shitholes and is committed by minority druggies, gang bangers and street thugs.

Most Americans live their entire lives and never see violence or crime except on the news.

It is hard to find, but comparing crime numbers for WHITE Americans to European numbers and the vast majority of the difference goes away real fast.

The FBI crime stats breaks it down by race although the the term "Hispanic" can be White, Brown or even Black. It pretty well shows that crime among the Black community is way out of proportion to the demographics.

 

[Correll]

America is a violent society. It always has been and hopefully always will be.

Actually the great majority of that violence is concentrated in the Democrat controlled big city shitholes and is committed by minority druggies, gang bangers and street thugs.

Most Americans live their entire lives and never see violence or crime except on the news.

It is hard to find, but comparing crime numbers for WHITE Americans to European numbers and the vast majority of the difference goes away real fast.

The FBI crime stats breaks it down by race although the the term "Hispanic" can be White, Brown or even Black. It pretty well shows that crime among the Black community is way out of proportion to the demographics.

The confusion with hispanics can really hide important information. AND be spun by dishonest people (liberals) to lie.

 

[Flash]

The Left insists we need sensible gun control that keeps citizens unarmed, just like Mao's China, Hitler's Germany and Stalin's USSR.

Nobody on the Left would understand what the word "sensible" meant if it was tattooed on their forehead in reverse letters and they had to see it every time they looked into a mirror.

The agenda of the Left is not to be sensible. Their agenda is to do away with the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms because they perceive it to be a threat to making the US a Socialist shithole.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

Tommy. This is in South LA. One of the worst shit holes in America known to man. This is MAXINES DISTRICT I BELIEVE. Why don't you write to that Neanderthal and tell her.Oh wait..She lives in a 5 million dollar spread not even near her district.......................LOLOL

LA used to be such a nice place. Destroyed by libturdism.

it happened in the city of Orange in Orange County.....not LA.......

Orange county isn't what it used to be. The people are getting more and more violent. And, expecting punishment less and less.

what does that have to do with what i said?....did this happen in LA like sloop said it did?....

No. But parts of Orange County are as bad as LA.

i lived there for 50 years and i dont agree with that.....

Take a closer look at Anaheim and Santa Ana. SA has gotten gang infested. Where I am is fine because no blacks or hispanics live here. We have whites and Asians.

Yes, Orange County is mighty white. Glad you don’t gotta deal with any of those pesky black n browns

there are a lot of brown people there....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.

Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?

 

[Anathema]

There's a certain level of peace and contentment that comes with knowing one is much closer to the end than the beginning. I don't ever wish to harm anyone but anyone who suddenly decides they'll beat me down - or worse - just because I'm there and they disagree... is going to have a rotten, no good, very bad day, guaranteed

Exactly. I have no desire to ever get into an altercation, but I intend to be as prepared as possible if I end up in one.

That shirt IS my warning shot to Society... interact with at your own risk.

 

[2aguy]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
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Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
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How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).

Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

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A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.
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Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH

You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

OR perhaps I’ve seen one too many of your 12,000 word cut n pastes?
Yes indeed - consolidate in order to have more barrel stoking c&p’s for immediate regurgitation!
One in 200 Americans thwarts a crime or defends themself with a gun each year?

Tommy made a challenge.....I posted a response that showed once again that he, like you and the other anti-gun extremists have no rational arguments for what you believe.

I’m a gun owner loony bird. This makes me an “anti-gun extremist”
You shot your street cred in the foot f’n YEARS ago.

Yeah......and anti-gun extremists want their own guns, but want to take guns away from everyone else.....you idiot...you are the classic example.

 

[2aguy]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

No, shithead....what is wrong with that individual?

600 million guns in private hands, over 19.4 milion Americans can and do legally carry their guns in public.

Each year, on average, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives from rape, robbery and murder, according to the Centers for Disease Control research.....

And the individual who did this....likely a criminal with a long history of crime and violence, with a long history of democrat party judges and prosecutors allowing them to go free over and over again, even with gun crimes on their record...

Again...what is wrong with this individual that isn't wrong with the other owners of 600 million guns, and over 19.4 million Americans who carry their guns in public and don't shoot anyone...

And what is good with the 1.1 million Americans who use their guns each year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....

Tommy...you need help.

Lol don't know much about Orange county do you. Hilarious. While I agree with the right to bear arms your attempt at blaming all crime on democrats is juvenile and quite frankly stupid. That had happened to me the idiot who fired into my car would have gotten return fire.

Not all crime, the gun crime they create when they constantly release violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again....I have posted story after story of democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians who release these individuals, knowing they have long histories of violent crime and in particular gun crimes....

I can post them if you want, but your anti-gun extremist buddies here will ***** and moan about cut and paste information...

 

[2aguy]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

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Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

We are not subject, like you.

Most developed countries have a better life quality than most Americans, more educated, healthier, higher life expectancy rates....less crimes and homicides. How did owning a gun make you better than them again ?

Well...you mean after World War 1 and World War 2...when we went over to Europe with guns to save them.......or after the Europeans gave up their guns, then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed men, women and children?

And now, as the United States protects Europe with our blood and money...our military keeps Russia from taking over the continent, and keeps German from invading it's neighbors.....so that Europeans can live in their welfare states as we protect them, and provide their advanced medical technology and all of their real technological innovation....

Do you mean that......?

If the Europeans actually had to pay their own way.....have their young men and women serve in their militaries, pay for their militaries.....and actually work for a living....maybe they wouldn't have time to feel superior to the U.S....


Meanwhile, our citizens use our legal guns to save lives every single year....1.1 million times a year our citizens use their legal guns to stop rape, robberies and murders...

And, shithead.......Europe is not the Europe it used to be....3rd world immigrant drug gangs are using fully automatic miltary rifles and grenades to enforce their drug trade....

So violence is coming to Europe.....

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.
Thr US ouldnt even defeat the poor Vietnamese you think thry could've defeated the Germans or the soviets solo?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries. What did the gun ownership do to make their lives better ?
They still get killed by the thousands, kids have to learn how to escape a mass shooting ? Fascinating isn't it ?

The ones getting murdered by guns in this country are criminals...over 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are criminals murdered by other criminals during criminal activity or being part of the criminal underworld...of the rest of the victims, the vast majority of them are friends, family or associates of the criminals caught in the attempted murder of the actual criminals......

Compared to that, however, normal Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year, or more, to stop rapes, robberies and murders.......

If you aren't a criminal, if you don't have a criminal in your family, if you don't associate with criminals and then, if you don't live in a democrat party town, city or voting district, the odds of you being murdered or even hurt by a gun are almost zero......

 

[2aguy]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Read properly, if it wasn't for France you would still hail the queen.
Median income doesn't tell you the whole story sir.

Yeah, and we paid them back...twice...bailing out their asses in World War 1 and then, when the idiots got steam rolled by the German Socialists, Americans died in the 10s of thousands to free France.......

And without the U.S. today, France, Britain, the rest of Europe would be speaking Russian...

 

[2aguy]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

And the only reason they have what they have is the United States pays for their national security through our men, women and treasure...our military....their medicine and medical advancements come from our research, and their lifestyle is created by our technological advancements as they sit at home and live on welfare.......

If they actually had to staff up their militaries, make their militaries combat functional, pay for their own medical advancements and medicines, and create their own technology, they wouldn't be able to afford their welfare states...........you idiot.

 

[2aguy]

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

That would be when the Nazis marched in and took over France, without any of the French cowards offering any resistance at all.

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Well actually the French resisted through the war and many of them took part in the Battle of Britain. I dont think you are educated enough to know this but there you go.

Meantime Bob, what do you think of a country that allows infants to be shot in their car seat because their Mam gestured to another car ? Im keen to understand your thoughts on that.

I believe when we catch the guy he will got to jail....until the democrat party judge gives him a light sentence.....

Meanwhile, .....in Britain....

The Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal consisted of the organised child sexual abuse that occurred in the town of Rotherham, South Yorkshire, Northern England from the late 1980s until the 2010s and the failure of local authorities to act on reports of the abuse throughout most of that period.[8] Researcher Angie Heal, who was hired by local officials and warned them about child exploitation occurring between 2002 and 2007, has since described it as the "biggest child protection scandal in UK history".[9]
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The Times articles, along with the 2012 trial of the Rochdale child sex abuse ring, prompted the House of Commons Home Affairs Committee to conduct hearings.[14] Following this and further articles from Norfolk, Rotherham Council commissioned an independent inquiry led by Professor Alexis Jay. In August 2014 the Jay report concluded that an estimated 1,400 children,[15] had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 by predominantly British-Pakistani men (Kurdish and Kosovar men were also involved).[16][13] British Asian girls in Rotherham also suffered abuse, but a fear of shame and dishonour made them reluctant to report the abuse to authorities.[17]
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The failure to address the abuse was attributed to a combination of factors revolving around race, class and gender—contemptuous and sexist attitudes toward the mostly working-class victims; fear that the perpetrators' ethnicity would trigger allegations of racism and damage community relations; the Labour council's reluctance to challenge a Labour-voting ethnic minority; lack of a child-centred focus; a desire to protect the town's reputation; and lack of training and resources.[25][26][8]

Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia

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[2aguy]

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

That would be when the Nazis marched in and took over France, without any of the French cowards offering any resistance at all.

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Well actually the French resisted through the war and many of them took part in the Battle of Britain. I dont think you are educated enough to know this but there you go.

Meantime Bob, what do you think of a country that allows infants to be shot in their car seat because their Mam gestured to another car ? Im keen to understand your thoughts on that.

You have countries in Europe killing babies because they have Down Syndrome......

And again...in the U.S. 100 kids a year are killed on bicycles...while 51 died in accidental shootings....

Are you as upset about that?

And, dipshit....what makes you think you are going to escape gun violence?

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK

Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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Two shot dead on London's streets amid warnings 'fluid supply' of guns is increasingly difficult to control

The violence came as police warned that the “fluid supply” of gunswas becoming increasingly difficult to control, with gangs using new and innovative ways of smuggling them past border defences.
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Simon Brough, head of firearms at the National Crime Agency (NCA), also warned that the “sheer volume” of firearms coming into the UK represented a “pernicious threat” that urgently needed to be addressed.

“The scale is really challenging, he told the Telegraph. “We are doing everything we can but criminals are operating in a lucrative business where they can be increasingly innovative and operate in a highly effective way.”


Last week, an Irish man found with 60 firearms in his car in Dover, en route from Calais, admitted gun smuggling.

Robert Keogh, 37, was stopped on August 2 by Border Force officers who found the weapons concealed deep inside the vehicle’s bumper and both rear quarter panels.

The number of shootings has been on the rise since 2013 and has in part being linked to the 2,000 drug supply chains identified as part of the country lines network.

Mr Brough said hand guns were being smuggled through eastern Europe, across nexus points in Belgium and the Netherlands and then onwards into the UK.

“Some of the methods criminal groups are using are incredibly sophisticated, for example, they are built into the interior of vehicles,” he said.

“The challenge at the border is the sheer volume of the operation.

“When a gun is coming in as a fast parcel, how can we find that? It’s a needle in a haystack.”

Shotguns lawfully held are being diverted into the criminal market via burglaries while other weapons are purchased blank and then converted.

Mr Brough said there was a trend towards “new and clean” guns being used for the first time that did not link to previous crimes.


“The source of them and availability leads to incidents such as we’ve seen this weekend,” he added.
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Crime will continue to rise until us bobbies are released from the shackles of the PC police

The national crime figures released this week confirmed what my colleagues and I have known for some time. Violent crime is out of control and criminals now see certain cities and towns across the country as places where they can act with impunity.

This is not just about gangland battles in the likes of Brixton or Tottenham. What we are facing is a national crisis, fast spreading across the provinces.

In the West Midlands, for example, we had a murder rate last year on a par with that of London. Gun crime in our region is running at similarly high levels and violent thugs in my area have developed a


Diana Fawcett, the charity's chief executive, told Sky News: "At a time when the number of homicides has been falling, deaths related to gun crime are showing significant increases which is incredibly concerning.More than 600 children in the UK were arrested for suspected firearm offences last year amid the coronavirus pandemic, new figures reveal.
A Sky News investigation has found children as young as 11 were among more than 2,000 youths detained for alleged crimes involving guns, imitation firearms and air weapons between 2018 and January 2021.
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Simeon Moore, who carried a gun aged 15 when he was a member of a notorious Birmingham gang, said young people arming themselves often believe they are doing "the right thing".
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"From knives, we started to carry guns. For me, at the time it was a means of protection.
"I was walking around and at any point I could get beat up, stabbed or have my head blown off.
Hundreds of children arrested for suspected gun crimes during COVID pandemic
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The number of shootings in London is on the rise, despite the capital being in lockdown for significant parts of last year.

Scotland Yard figures reveal 288 incidents in 2020 where a lethal firearm was discharged, compared with 266 shooting incidents the year before.
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The second call of the day brought into sharp focus the concerns police have around the number of criminals apparently now willing to carry firearms.
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The officer said criminal gangs were increasingly targeting vehicles for the small amounts of precious metals in the catalytic converters.

"It is only worth a few hundred pounds to them, but for that, the criminal gangs are willing to threaten lethal force."

Shootings in London on the rise despite lockdown, police reveal

Sharp rise in knife and gun attacks outside London as austerity bites

Across the West Midlands, violent crime has become unnervingly common. Despite knife crime in the capital making the headlines, it has risen by 103% since 2014 in this region compared with 48% in London, with 14 knife crimes a day so far this year often targeting children of school age. Meanwhile, gun crime is up by a third in the West Midlands,

and murder, GBH and other violent crimes increased by 17% in the last year alone. In London, the rises were about 10% and 6% year-on-year, respectively.
The gangs and violence commission report found “crucial links” between the black market for illicit substances and serious violence, and much of the rising violence is blamed locally on disputes between gangs, many of whom deal drugs, increasingly being settled with guns and knives.





Britain, 10/17/19 gun crime up 4%

Knife crime rises to new record of 44,000 offences in England and Wales


drugs need them to hold their territory...


Liverpool gangs 'dominate' gun and drugs trade outside London

Organised criminal gangs from Liverpool have risen to the summit of the UK underworld and “dominate” the firearms and drugs-trade outside London, the latest intelligence from senior officers at the National Crime Agency (NCA) reveals.
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Analysis of encrypted messages from a communications system used by criminals has shown that the city has become the preeminent location for top-tier gangs sourcing high-volume importations of drugs and automatic weapons.
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Analysis by the NFTC found that Merseyside and the broader north-west corridor was home to a network of gun factories converting low-calibre weapons such as the Czech-made Škorpion and Slovakian Grand Power into deadly automatic firearms.

 

[2aguy]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

The democrat press pushes mass public shootings....because they want to ban guns...

We had 12 in 2018, 10 in 2019, and 1 in 2020, in a country of over 320 million people.....

More people in the U.S. die from falling off ladders than die in mass public shootings, you idiot.....more people die in lawn mower accidents than die in mass public shootings.....do we ban ladders and lawn mowers.......and again, more people die riding bicycles and driving in cars than in mass public shootings, you doofus....

And again......1.1 million times a year Americans use their guns to save lives.........1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders stopped by Americans using guns......can you tell which numbers are bigger?

 

[Correll]

The mother thought that she still lived in a civilized society where being a little rude wouldn't result in death.

Third World immigration ended that country.

 

[2aguy]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

What was that you were saying?

see....I thought you shitheads banned and confiscated guns......but did you forget to tell teenagers that it was illegal for them to have guns?

A TEENAGER was shot and another was stabbed after a gunman opened fire in a cake shop in East London.

Two 19-year-old men were injured after shots were fired in Cake and Custard Factory on Kingsland Road in Hackney last night.
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Both teens were rushed to hospital - but their stab and gun injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

Hmmmmm....

You were saying....?

Two men have been injured in a shooting inside a pub on the first day it reopened after lockdown rules eased.
Armed police were called to the Old Bank pub in Huyton, Knowsley, at about 20:20 BST on Monday.
Merseyside Police said a man was taken to hospital with chest injuries, while a second man later turned up at A&E with a gunshot wound to his groin.

Huyton pub shooting: Two injured on first day of reopening

Armed police were called to the pub hours after it had reopened for the first time in months.

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Teen shot and another stabbed after gunman opens fire in cake shop

A TEENAGER was shot and another was stabbed after a gunman opened fire in a cake shop in East London. Two 19-year-old men were injured after shots were fired in Cake and Custard Factory on Kingslan…

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You were saying...

A 21-year-old man has been shot and injured while queuing in his car at a McDonald's drive-through on the Wirral.

The victim, who had been sat in the front passenger seat, has been taken to hospital with a leg injury.


Merseyside Police said officers were called to the scene at the McDonald's in Welton Road, Bromborough, at 5.30pm, following reports of a shooting.

The force have since launched a manhunt for the suspect - described as an Asian male, around 5ft 8in tall, of medium build with a beard and wearing a black hooded jacket.

McDonald's shooting: Man, 21, shot and injured while queuing at drive-through on the Wirral

Police are currently hunting for the suspect after a man was shot while waiting in his car at a McDonald's drive-through.

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