More Republican extortion tactics.

[justathought]

What does energy independance have to do with payroll taxes? They are two separate issues. Only the Republicans would raise taxes on working class Americans while they continually say they are against taxes. Then they move to combine unrelated issues as the only answer. I call that extortion. Isn't their going to be a savings from ending the Iraq war? By the way, I'm pro pipeline!

 

[justathought]

I hate when I agree with Boehner. That's a lot of arm wrestling to have to do it again in two months.

 

[justathought]

Must be nice to go on vacation with other peoples money. Do these people not understand thier salaries are from tax revenue. No wonder they don't want to stay for payroll taxes to remain lower. These democrats want a raise. We need a list of who went home.

 

[whitehall]

There won't be any payroll unless we lower the price of energy. What is it with lefties? Talk about being short sighted. They think the solution to their problems is a couple of bucks in their pockets for eight weeks? What a bunch of fools.

 

[justathought]

Yeah, let's keep the Opec monopoly going and save the frogs in Nebraska. No oil from Canada.

 

[justathought]

Taxes for the new year is not the way to getting elected. At least with the two month extension you have some job security and something to do when you get back. 2012 could be great for the economy if you do this along with the COLA injection.

 

[Wiseacre]

I'm just not getting this. President Obama and the dems insisted on extending the payroll tax cut, pounded on the table, gotta do it. So the GOP passes a bill in the House to dothat for the 12 months, but they added the XL Pipeline in there. In essence both are jobs related, measures to add jobs albeit in different ways. But even so, all the Senate had to do was strip that part out and send it back to the House.

But instead they only extend the tax cuts to 2 months, which makes it very hard to implement, especially for small businesses, and IMHO actually harms or minimizes the chances of achieving the main goal of encouraging employers to hire somebody. I mean c'mon, who's going to hire somebody based on a 2 month tax holiday? I'm not sure they'll hire that many people even if they had done the entire 12 months, cuz it's only temporary, but 2 months is ridiculous.

 

[American Horse]

There won't be any payroll unless we lower the price of energy. What is it with lefties? Talk about being short sighted. They think the solution to their problems is a couple of bucks in their pockets for eight weeks? What a bunch of fools.

Since the so called payroll tax cut is a suspension of the collection of contributions to FICA which is the sole funding system for Social Security and Medicare, the suspension amounts to a RAID on those two programs. The idea that doing that will promote new employment is a farce, since no potential employer sees it as anything more than a temporary gimmick.

The republicans see clearly that promoting new tax payers (the pipeline equals 250,000 new jobs) to support the losses of funding is the only logical way of correcting that shortfall, other than paying for it from the general budget or some other job depressing measure.

One wonders if the average citizen who is a taxpayer even understands what "PAYROLL Taxes" actually are. Do you?

Payroll taxes are not "withholding taxes" for the federal income tax. They are "Contributions" to the individual's SS account, and there are two US senators who are liberals. Tom Harkin Democrat, and Bernie Sanders Socialist who see this as a threat to SS and Medicare, and see it for the gimmick it is.

 

[edthecynic]

There won't be any payroll unless we lower the price of energy. What is it with lefties? Talk about being short sighted. They think the solution to their problems is a couple of bucks in their pockets for eight weeks? What a bunch of fools.

Since the so called payroll tax cut is a suspension of the collection of contributions to FICA which is the sole funding system for Social Security and Medicare, the suspension amounts to a RAID on those two programs. The idea that doing that will promote new employment is a farce, since no potential employer sees it as anything more than a temporary gimmick.

The republicans see clearly that promoting new tax payers (the pipeline equals 250,000 new jobs) to support the losses of funding is the only logical way of correcting that shortfall, other than paying for it from the general budget or some other job depressing measure.

One wonders if the average citizen who is a taxpayer even understands what "PAYROLL Taxes" actually are. Do you?

Payroll taxes are not "withholding taxes" for the federal income tax. They are "Contributions" to the individual's SS account, and there are two US senators who are liberals. Tom Harkin Democrat, and Bernie Sanders Socialist who see this as a threat to SS and Medicare, and see it for the gimmick it is.

BULLSHIT!

Unless you are adding in the jobs needed to clean up the oil spills.

 

[American Horse]

There won't be any payroll unless we lower the price of energy. What is it with lefties? Talk about being short sighted. They think the solution to their problems is a couple of bucks in their pockets for eight weeks? What a bunch of fools.

Since the so called payroll tax cut is a suspension of the collection of contributions to FICA which is the sole funding system for Social Security and Medicare, the suspension amounts to a RAID on those two programs. The idea that doing that will promote new employment is a farce, since no potential employer sees it as anything more than a temporary gimmick.

The republicans see clearly that promoting new tax payers (the pipeline equals 250,000 new jobs) to support the losses of funding is the only logical way of correcting that shortfall, other than paying for it from the general budget or some other job depressing measure.

One wonders if the average citizen who is a taxpayer even understands what "PAYROLL Taxes" actually are. Do you?

Payroll taxes are not "withholding taxes" for the federal income tax. They are "Contributions" to the individual's SS account, and there are two US senators who are liberals. Tom Harkin Democrat, and Bernie Sanders Socialist who see this as a threat to SS and Medicare, and see it for the gimmick it is.

BULLSHIT!

Unless you are adding in the jobs needed to clean up the oil spills.

There are presently 625,000 miles of pipelines moving gas or oil inside US borders and they are relatively accident free. The pipeline in question will add another 2,500 miles plus spurs; how's that such a huge risk?

I can recall back in '68 a 15" N-Gas pipeline came through our county and of course it spurred the local economy. Some peripheral attendant businesses set up as it built through and remained after the base work was done, including engineering. mapping, surveying, and exploration for other natural resources. Our NG prices came down for customers as our local supplies increased.

A pipeline of the size and length of the Keystone XL will have construction going on at numerous legs along its route, and will require lots of attendant services, production facilities, aggregates from local quarries, trucking, heavy equipment from local operators, and much more.

It's a hard fact that more than 25,000 direct jobs will be created and a reasonable stimulative effect would be ten times that which would be stimmed up. Even the need for legal work, easements, and deed instruments would be massive and put some people who lost their jobs when real estate went south back to work.

The president wants this issue to remain in limbo because as long as it does he gets political contributions from the Green interests AND the oil interests. When he goes either way for him the loot stops from the losing side.

 

[justathought]

Almost time for an egg nog toast....

 

[edthecynic]

Since the so called payroll tax cut is a suspension of the collection of contributions to FICA which is the sole funding system for Social Security and Medicare, the suspension amounts to a RAID on those two programs. The idea that doing that will promote new employment is a farce, since no potential employer sees it as anything more than a temporary gimmick.

The republicans see clearly that promoting new tax payers (the pipeline equals 250,000 new jobs) to support the losses of funding is the only logical way of correcting that shortfall, other than paying for it from the general budget or some other job depressing measure.

One wonders if the average citizen who is a taxpayer even understands what "PAYROLL Taxes" actually are. Do you?

Payroll taxes are not "withholding taxes" for the federal income tax. They are "Contributions" to the individual's SS account, and there are two US senators who are liberals. Tom Harkin Democrat, and Bernie Sanders Socialist who see this as a threat to SS and Medicare, and see it for the gimmick it is.

BULLSHIT!

Unless you are adding in the jobs needed to clean up the oil spills.

There are presently 625,000 miles of pipelines moving gas or oil inside US borders and they are relatively accident free. The pipeline in question will add another 2,500 miles plus spurs; how's that such a huge risk?

In 2010, pipeline spills and explosions in the US killed 22 people, released more than 170,000 barrels of petroleum, and caused $1 billion dollars in damage. And those pipelines were not built by TransCanada, who has contracted with a company called Welspun who is known to produce substandard steel. Over thirty spills have occurred with the Keystone pipeline (Phase 1 and 2) in its first year of operation in Canada and the United States. Keystone has experienced 14 leaks on US territory in just its first year of operation and 19 leaks in Canada.

So yes the 2,000 jobs that was exaggerated into 250,000 jobs will mostly be jobs cleaning up oil spills.

 

[justathought]

Cheers to buying some time. Which is worse, jobs to fix leaks or funding the Arabs who then use our money to kill us?

 

[007]

Must be nice to go on vacation with other peoples money. Do these people not understand thier salaries are from tax revenue. No wonder they don't want to stay for payroll taxes to remain lower. These democrats want a raise. We need a list of who went home.

 

[007]

BULLSHIT!

Unless you are adding in the jobs needed to clean up the oil spills.

There are presently 625,000 miles of pipelines moving gas or oil inside US borders and they are relatively accident free. The pipeline in question will add another 2,500 miles plus spurs; how's that such a huge risk?

In 2010, pipeline spills and explosions in the US killed 22 people, released more than 170,000 barrels of petroleum, and caused $1 billion dollars in damage. And those pipelines were not built by TransCanada, who has contracted with a company called Welspun who is known to produce substandard steel. Over thirty spills have occurred with the Keystone pipeline (Phase 1 and 2) in its first year of operation in Canada and the United States. Keystone has experienced 14 leaks on US territory in just its first year of operation and 19 leaks in Canada.

So yes the 2,000 jobs that was exaggerated into 250,000 jobs will mostly be jobs cleaning up oil spills.

Link?

 

[edthecynic]

There are presently 625,000 miles of pipelines moving gas or oil inside US borders and they are relatively accident free. The pipeline in question will add another 2,500 miles plus spurs; how's that such a huge risk?

In 2010, pipeline spills and explosions in the US killed 22 people, released more than 170,000 barrels of petroleum, and caused $1 billion dollars in damage. And those pipelines were not built by TransCanada, who has contracted with a company called Welspun who is known to produce substandard steel. Over thirty spills have occurred with the Keystone pipeline (Phase 1 and 2) in its first year of operation in Canada and the United States. Keystone has experienced 14 leaks on US territory in just its first year of operation and 19 leaks in Canada.

So yes the 2,000 jobs that was exaggerated into 250,000 jobs will mostly be jobs cleaning up oil spills.

Link?

Do you mean your MessiahRushie didn't tell you this so you don't believe it? It's not hard to find, there has been only one independent study on the Keystone pipeline. The phony job numbers you use came from advocacy groups.

http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallaborinstitute/research/upload/GLI_KeystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf

Concerns regarding spills could be even further heightened by the fact that TransCanada
is contracting with a company (Welspun) that has been found to produce substandard
steel.80 TransCanada used imported Welspun steel for Phase 1 of the Keystone project and,
as noted above, the pipeline has had 14 spills in its first year of operation. Prior to building
Phase 1, TransCanada assured landowners and government officials that a spill would
only occur once every 20 years. The latest leaks in Keystone Phase 1 spurred the PHMSA
to order a shut down of the pipeline until a “corrective action order” was addressed.
PHMSA ordered this “corrective action order” due to pipe expansions it had detected. Pipe
expansions occur when low strength, low integrity, or poor quality steel is used. Under
normal circumstances, it takes about 46 years of use before pipe expansions occur. 81
Welspun’s use of substandard steel has also been an issue in other pipeline projects.
Welspun is currently being sued by two Kinder Morgan Energy Partner subsidiaries for
fraudulent sales practices and the sale of defective steel pipe.82 PHMSA has ordered
Boardwalk Pipeline Partners and Kinder Morgan Energy Partner to replace hundreds
of pipe joints along their pipelines after an investigation revealed numerous “expansion
anomalies” indicating the use of low quality steel. Approximately 80 percent of the steel
Boardwalk Pipeline Partners and Kinder Morgan Energy Partner used in their pipelines was
purchased from Welspun.83