More people saved by guns.

I acknowledge that you don't always need a gun, like if you just happen to be a trained MMA fighter.

Or...you just might be small, young, female, old, handicapped, sick, injured, out numbered, faced with multiple attackers with weapons, or one attacker with a gun...
 
14 Year Old Uses 12 Gauge Shotgun to Defend His Mother From Abusive Boyfriend

Locust Fork, Alabama – A 14 year old boy used a 12 gauge shotgun to shoot and kill a man who was romantically linked to his mother.
The suspect in the case, identified as 34 year old Ayatollah Mohammad, was actually escorted by law enforcement off of the property owned by the boy’s mother that morning, but walked 7 miles back to the home and snuck onto the property.
When the suspect was discovered, the boy used a shotgun to defend himself and his mother from a man he obviously considered to be a threat.

Locust Fork shooting could fall under ?stand your ground? | WIAT 42
 
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looks like you need to be more responsible with your gun then. Maybe you should just keep it in the garage.
but for everybody else, well at least that means they have the option to defend themself if they live in a bad neighbor
hood with people kicking in their door. theres almost a 100 percent chance the cops wouldnt get there in time
and the reason guns may not be so often used in self defense is because you dont have to fire it. just point it at someone and they will probably think twice about assaulting you.
I have family members who did just that while camping in the desert when armed men rolled up in a pick up truck.
 
I personally know a dozen or more. But I also know 5 who have shot themselves on purpose, and a relatively healthy, young man who committed suicide with one. so it's about 2 to 1 to the good, but it's not a "good only" sort of deal.

Seriously, if any of those young men were sufficiently troubled to use a gun do you really believe they would not have found an alternative had they been denied firearms?

Spontaneity and sureity. Years ago, when the Golden Gate Bridge's 50th birthday was being celebrated, a columnist for the SF Chronicle interviewed several jumpers who survived. The one takeaway was each regreted jumping on the way down and were thankful they had survived.
 
The one takeaway was each regreted jumping on the way down and were thankful they had survived.

but they didn't use a gun...? They still tried to kill themselves and no gun was involved. You find this in Japan. They have absolute gun control...and they have twice the rate of suicides that we do. Guns aren't the problem...perhaps more help for people who need it...
 
The one takeaway was each regreted jumping on the way down and were thankful they had survived.

but they didn't use a gun...? They still tried to kill themselves and no gun was involved. You find this in Japan. They have absolute gun control...and they have twice the rate of suicides that we do. Guns aren't the problem...perhaps more help for people who need it...

Look, we know you're a gun lover, but the fact is more than 50% of all suicides in the United States are committed by the use of a firearm. The two next means are hanging/suffication or poisoning.
 
Yeah, but the gun isn't the problem...the underlying desire to end their life is and you just pointed out that there are other means of killing oneself...the Japanese, Chinese and others from gun control countries kill themselves at a higher level than we do. As I used to argue with another guy...he kept telling me suicide was cultural...and it is...
 

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