Moderates determined the Presidential Election!

[Procrustes Stretched]

According to exit polls, Moderates/the center determined the election.

"In effect, the pragmatic center reasserted itself on Tuesday. According to exit polls, a plurality of voters, 41%, were moderates, and they favored Obama by 15 points. In general, voters viewed Obama as more for the middle class and Republicans as tilting toward the interests of the rich. They did not accept Romney's claims that Obama has been an incompetent economic manager; nearly half the voters instead blamed the weak economy on his predecessor"
The GOP's real problem is ideology - CNN.com

Both parties should take note of the voting block known as the center. Both parties have been controlled by the fringe block which really doesn't appeal to the center.
Will the GOP do what they have done when they lose and move more to the right? That would be political suicide.
Will the Dems misread the election results and push a fringe agenda?
Will either party actually make an honest attempt to put country first and seriously work at compromising with the other side to address the fiscal cliff that America has in front of it? If either party wants a future, they should make a strong effort to actually compromise because that's what a huge majority of Americans want.
The future is in the hands of both the left and right, yet the majority is the middle. Who will react to the majority?
The bottomline is, whatever party can appease their base to a point but appeases to the center the most, will become the better positioned to lead the country into the future.

Horseshit.

Is there a more moderate Republican than Mitt Romney?

How about John McCain?

Which Romney are you referring to?

A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar, the bartender says "Hello Mitt'

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Moderates always determine the election.

Unions and minorities determined this election, they weren't moderates who might've voted republican. Plus the democrats ran a very negative campaign against Romney, who did not adequately respond. One could also make a serious argument that the MSM had a lot to do with determining the election outcome too.

Fox and the right wing propaganda machine has done nothing but run a 24/7 negative campaign against Obama for four years and they still lost.

The GOP trash need to get their heads out of their asses and realize they are never going to win an election again until they return to sanity.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Moderates always determine the election.

Those voters who call themselves Independent are the growing voter majority as the those voters who call themselves Republican or Democrat are shrinking.
Read the Crystal Ball, it's not that tough to figure out.

Independent and Moderate are not synonymous.

but not the same: distinctions with a difference

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obama won Moderates by 20 points in 2008.

Kerry won Moderates by 9 points in 2004, despite losing overall.

Self-identified moderates in this country are on balance left of center. That's one more reason the GOP's lurch to the right is doing so much damage to that party.

 

[SniperFire]

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"If you're not a hardcore conservative absolutist you're a commie liberal."

And they wonder why they just got their asses kicked with unemployment at 8%.

.

You can't hang in argument, so you may as well trot out a strawman to attack.


LOL

You don't argue, you don't debate, you just pick like a crabby wife and then dodge & weave.

You lost, you did it to yourself, live with it, tough shit.

And be sure to blame someone else, your specialty.

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Says the assclown who trots out a weak strawman just so he can attack it - in the same post!

Too funny!

 

[Zoom-boing]

R&R were sold to us as fiscal conservatives, which they are not and pandered to the social conservatives, which most are social moderates.

Had they truly been fiscal conservatives and moved the social message a bit more to the center things may have turned out differently.

 

[SniperFire]

According to exit polls, Moderates/the center determined the election.

"In effect, the pragmatic center reasserted itself on Tuesday. According to exit polls, a plurality of voters, 41%, were moderates, and they favored Obama by 15 points. In general, voters viewed Obama as more for the middle class and Republicans as tilting toward the interests of the rich. They did not accept Romney's claims that Obama has been an incompetent economic manager; nearly half the voters instead blamed the weak economy on his predecessor"
The GOP's real problem is ideology - CNN.com

Both parties should take note of the voting block known as the center. Both parties have been controlled by the fringe block which really doesn't appeal to the center.
Will the GOP do what they have done when they lose and move more to the right? That would be political suicide.
Will the Dems misread the election results and push a fringe agenda?
Will either party actually make an honest attempt to put country first and seriously work at compromising with the other side to address the fiscal cliff that America has in front of it? If either party wants a future, they should make a strong effort to actually compromise because that's what a huge majority of Americans want.
The future is in the hands of both the left and right, yet the majority is the middle. Who will react to the majority?
The bottomline is, whatever party can appease their base to a point but appeases to the center the most, will become the better positioned to lead the country into the future.

Horseshit.

Is there a more moderate Republican than Mitt Romney?

How about John McCain?

Which Romney are you referring to?

You deflect.

Unlike Democrats, who are owned by the most radicalized elements of their political wings, the Republicans offer up very, very moderate options to the public for POTUS.

 

[edthecynic]

Moderates are just liberals too chickenshit to admit it.

Way to parrot your MessiahRushie.

June 25, 2010
RUSH: Now, that's fine and dandy, but moderates are liberals without the guts to say so.

 

[kiwiman127]

According to exit polls, Moderates/the center determined the election.

Moderates always determine the election.

Unions and minorities determined this election, they weren't moderates who might've voted republican. Plus the democrats ran a very negative campaign against Romney, who did not adequately respond. One could also make a serious argument that the MSM had a lot to do with determining the election outcome too.

The unions? Come on Wiseacre, you're much smarter than that in my opinion. The unions have been on the decline since the 1980s. Their power is waning and isn't quite the same when compared to the 60's-70's. Their percentage of the workforce is down to around 11%.

Anyway, what I was addressing are how much an ideology can be out of touch with the majority of Americans and that in itself hurts them. To be driven by extremist views will not appeal to the majority. So why do it? Our elected officials are supposed to public servants, not servants to an ideology.

 

[edthecynic]

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"If you're not a hardcore conservative absolutist you're a commie liberal."

And they wonder why they just got their asses kicked with unemployment at 8%.

.

You can't hang in argument, so you may as well trot out a strawman to attack.


LOL

May 12, 2008
RUSH: I maintain that moderates and independents are Democrats. Because, by definition, if someone or some organization is not conservative, it's by definition going to be liberal, not moderate, not independent, it's going to be liberal

 

[SniperFire]

Moderates always determine the election.

Unions and minorities determined this election, they weren't moderates who might've voted republican. Plus the democrats ran a very negative campaign against Romney, who did not adequately respond. One could also make a serious argument that the MSM had a lot to do with determining the election outcome too.

The unions? Come on Wiseacre, you're much smarter than that in my opinion. The unions have been on the decline since the 1980s. Their power is waning and isn't quite the same when compared to the 60's-70's. Their percentage of the workforce is down to around 11%.

Anyway, what I was addressing are how much an ideology can be out of touch with the majority of Americans and that in itself hurts them. To be driven by extremist views will not appeal to the majority. So why do it? Our elected officials are supposed to public servants, not servants to an ideology.

Was Romney a moderate, or not, or does the obvious answer to the question destroy your bullshit meme thread?

 

[del]

Unions and minorities determined this election, they weren't moderates who might've voted republican. Plus the democrats ran a very negative campaign against Romney, who did not adequately respond. One could also make a serious argument that the MSM had a lot to do with determining the election outcome too.

The unions? Come on Wiseacre, you're much smarter than that in my opinion. The unions have been on the decline since the 1980s. Their power is waning and isn't quite the same when compared to the 60's-70's. Their percentage of the workforce is down to around 11%.

Anyway, what I was addressing are how much an ideology can be out of touch with the majority of Americans and that in itself hurts them. To be driven by extremist views will not appeal to the majority. So why do it? Our elected officials are supposed to public servants, not servants to an ideology.

Was Romney a moderate, or not, or does the obvious answer to the question destroy your bullshit meme thread?

you're not too bright are you?

romney was a weathervane and it became more and more apparent as the campaign wore on.

the only people who believed him were the self deluded, like you.

 

[Vel]

According to exit polls, Moderates/the center determined the election.

"In effect, the pragmatic center reasserted itself on Tuesday. According to exit polls, a plurality of voters, 41%, were moderates, and they favored Obama by 15 points. In general, voters viewed Obama as more for the middle class and Republicans as tilting toward the interests of the rich. They did not accept Romney's claims that Obama has been an incompetent economic manager; nearly half the voters instead blamed the weak economy on his predecessor"
The GOP's real problem is ideology - CNN.com

Both parties should take note of the voting block known as the center. Both parties have been controlled by the fringe block which really doesn't appeal to the center.
Will the GOP do what they have done when they lose and move more to the right? That would be political suicide.
Will the Dems misread the election results and push a fringe agenda?
Will either party actually make an honest attempt to put country first and seriously work at compromising with the other side to address the fiscal cliff that America has in front of it? If either party wants a future, they should make a strong effort to actually compromise because that's what a huge majority of Americans want.
The future is in the hands of both the left and right, yet the majority is the middle. Who will react to the majority?
The bottomline is, whatever party can appease their base to a point but appeases to the center the most, will become the better positioned to lead the country into the future.

What actually determined this election was a corrupt media that chose the winner. That same media will now try to baffle us with bullshit to try to obscure that fact.
I hope to see the media get the backlash they deserve, but I doubt they will. Too few people in this country are willing to demand integrity.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Horseshit.

Is there a more moderate Republican than Mitt Romney?

How about John McCain?

Which Romney are you referring to?

You deflect.

Unlike Democrats, who are owned by the most radicalized elements of their political wings, the Republicans offer up very, very moderate options to the public for POTUS.

Then why have the Democrats won the Moderate vote by wide margins in the last three presidential elections?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Horseshit.

Is there a more moderate Republican than Mitt Romney?

How about John McCain?

Which Romney are you referring to?

You deflect.

Unlike Democrats, who are owned by the most radicalized elements of their political wings, the Republicans offer up very, very moderate options to the public for POTUS.

radicalized or energized?

leftists like Dennis Kucinich can't win a primary. The anti war left has no power.

wtf are you talking about in the DNC?

The Tea Party is teh tail wagging the dog of late.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Moderates always determine the election.

Unions and minorities determined this election, they weren't moderates who might've voted republican. Plus the democrats ran a very negative campaign against Romney, who did not adequately respond. One could also make a serious argument that the MSM had a lot to do with determining the election outcome too.

The unions? Come on Wiseacre, you're much smarter than that in my opinion
.

and your opinion is not very credible here

 

[NYcarbineer]

Unions and minorities determined this election, they weren't moderates who might've voted republican. Plus the democrats ran a very negative campaign against Romney, who did not adequately respond. One could also make a serious argument that the MSM had a lot to do with determining the election outcome too.

The unions? Come on Wiseacre, you're much smarter than that in my opinion. The unions have been on the decline since the 1980s. Their power is waning and isn't quite the same when compared to the 60's-70's. Their percentage of the workforce is down to around 11%.

Anyway, what I was addressing are how much an ideology can be out of touch with the majority of Americans and that in itself hurts them. To be driven by extremist views will not appeal to the majority. So why do it? Our elected officials are supposed to public servants, not servants to an ideology.

Was Romney a moderate, or not, or does the obvious answer to the question destroy your bullshit meme thread?

What's the moderate position on abortion? What's the moderate position on taxes?

 

[SniperFire]

The unions? Come on Wiseacre, you're much smarter than that in my opinion. The unions have been on the decline since the 1980s. Their power is waning and isn't quite the same when compared to the 60's-70's. Their percentage of the workforce is down to around 11%.

Anyway, what I was addressing are how much an ideology can be out of touch with the majority of Americans and that in itself hurts them. To be driven by extremist views will not appeal to the majority. So why do it? Our elected officials are supposed to public servants, not servants to an ideology.

Was Romney a moderate, or not, or does the obvious answer to the question destroy your bullshit meme thread?

you're not too bright are you?

romney was a weathervane and it became more and more apparent as the campaign wore on.

the only people who believed him were the self deluded, like you.

Assuming one bought into your nonsense, which I don't, would being a 'weathervane' prove that he is not a product of hardcore ideologue 'control' as postulated by OP?

Failure is you.


LOL

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why did Akin lose in Missouri, by what? 16 points? Because he was too moderate???

 

[SniperFire]

Del's logic is about as shitty as an aging Geddy Lee voice.


LOL