Moderates determined the Presidential Election!

[SniperFire]

Why did Akin lose in Missouri, by what? 16 points? Because he was too moderate???

One can always point out extremes.

Agree or disagree?

 

[Vel]

R&R were sold to us as fiscal conservatives, which they are not and pandered to the social conservatives, which most are social moderates.

Had they truly been fiscal conservatives and moved the social message a bit more to the center things may have turned out differently.

How were they supposed to get the message out? Akins said something incredibly stupid in Missouri, Romney immediately spoke against it and withdrew his support and the first question to Obama in the next press conference was, "Do you think that Akin's remarks can be tied to Romney and the republican party"? ( paraphrasing) The media was determined to help Obama.
After Benghazi, Romney spoke immediately about not apologizing for free speech and was crucified by the press. Obama went to Vegas before the bodies were cold and the media loved him.
How much does anyone think any candidate could have done against a press that twisted every word of phrase of a person to mean what they wanted it to mean?

 

[del]

Del's logic is about as shitty as an aging Geddy Lee voice.


LOL

your inability to think is not my problem.

 

[Vel]

Unions and minorities determined this election, they weren't moderates who might've voted republican. Plus the democrats ran a very negative campaign against Romney, who did not adequately respond. One could also make a serious argument that the MSM had a lot to do with determining the election outcome too.

The unions? Come on Wiseacre, you're much smarter than that in my opinion. The unions have been on the decline since the 1980s. Their power is waning and isn't quite the same when compared to the 60's-70's. Their percentage of the workforce is down to around 11%.

Anyway, what I was addressing are how much an ideology can be out of touch with the majority of Americans and that in itself hurts them. To be driven by extremist views will not appeal to the majority. So why do it? Our elected officials are supposed to public servants, not servants to an ideology.

Was Romney a moderate, or not, or does the obvious answer to the question destroy your bullshit meme thread?

It doesn't matter what Romney was or wasn't. What matters is what he was painted to be. Until people recognize that and clean house in the media, elections will become more and more divided.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Was Romney a moderate, or not, or does the obvious answer to the question destroy your bullshit meme thread?

you're not too bright are you?

romney was a weathervane and it became more and more apparent as the campaign wore on.

the only people who believed him were the self deluded, like you.

Assuming one bought into your nonsense, which I don't, would being a 'weathervane' prove that he is not a product of hardcore ideologue 'control' as postulated by OP?

Failure is you.


LOL

I love how the usual suspects on the rightwing nut side of this forum, 3 days after the election,

are blithely babbling on with their delusional nonsense,

as if the election never happened, or as if Romney won.

 

[nodoginnafight]

According to exit polls, Moderates/the center determined the election.

"In effect, the pragmatic center reasserted itself on Tuesday. According to exit polls, a plurality of voters, 41%, were moderates, and they favored Obama by 15 points. In general, voters viewed Obama as more for the middle class and Republicans as tilting toward the interests of the rich. They did not accept Romney's claims that Obama has been an incompetent economic manager; nearly half the voters instead blamed the weak economy on his predecessor"
The GOP's real problem is ideology - CNN.com

Both parties should take note of the voting block known as the center. Both parties have been controlled by the fringe block which really doesn't appeal to the center.
Will the GOP do what they have done when they lose and move more to the right? That would be political suicide.
Will the Dems misread the election results and push a fringe agenda?
Will either party actually make an honest attempt to put country first and seriously work at compromising with the other side to address the fiscal cliff that America has in front of it? If either party wants a future, they should make a strong effort to actually compromise because that's what a huge majority of Americans want.
The future is in the hands of both the left and right, yet the majority is the middle. Who will react to the majority?
The bottomline is, whatever party can appease their base to a point but appeases to the center the most, will become the better positioned to lead the country into the future.

Excellent points. Both Romney and McCain rose to promenance as moderates - but when the GOP forced them into the far right in order to get the nomination - they lost thir appeal to moderates and lost the election.

What amazes me is that the GOP is surprised that they lost.

You cannot alienate and marginalize big blocks of voters the way they have with their extreme positions (re: anti equal pay for women, anti choice, anti gay, anti immigration, anti voting rights, etc) and still expect to win. No matter how unpopular the opponent is.

Also - stepping outside of their little Fox News - Rush Limbaugh - Scotty Rassmussen echo chambers where they only hear what they want to hear and getting a real look at what is going on in real America every now and then wouldn't hurt. You can't persuade people that your position is the right one for them unless you listen to them and get to know them.

The fact that so many were so shocked about their loss leads me to believe that they are being poorly served by their information sources and aren't really aware of what is going on in America right now.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why did Akin lose in Missouri, by what? 16 points? Because he was too moderate???

One can always point out extremes.

Agree or disagree?

Is that a yes or a no? While you're working on that,

did Romney lose in Florida because he's too moderate? in Virginia? in Wisconsin? in Ohio? in Michigan?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The moderately intelligent decided the race. I agree.

 

[SniperFire]

Why did Akin lose in Missouri, by what? 16 points? Because he was too moderate???

One can always point out extremes.

Agree or disagree?

Is that a yes or a no? While you're working on that,

did Romney lose in Florida because he's too moderate? in Virginia? in Wisconsin? in Ohio? in Michigan?

Notice how the cockbreath ducks the most simple of questions which destroys his meme.


This is way, way too easy sometimes.

LOL

 

[del]

One can always point out extremes.

Agree or disagree?

Is that a yes or a no? While you're working on that,

did Romney lose in Florida because he's too moderate? in Virginia? in Wisconsin? in Ohio? in Michigan?

Notice how the cockbreath ducks the most simple of questions which destroys his meme.


This is way, way too easy sometimes.

LOL

yes, it's one of your more prominent features, like your protruding brow

 

[amrchaos]

Let us be honest

The moderates are just leftists and the true center are Rocked Ribb social conservatives.

The Leftist came out to protect their entitlements and half of them lied and said they were moderate.

Am I right?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Why did Akin lose in Missouri, by what? 16 points? Because he was too moderate???

One can always point out extremes.

Agree or disagree?

Is that a yes or a no? While you're working on that,

did Romney lose in Florida because he's too moderate? in Virginia? in Wisconsin? in Ohio? in Michigan?

I don't think anyone is silly enough to suggest that. Romney lost because the GOP forced him to the far right in order to get the nomination. "self deport" is not moderate by any stretch and telling Latinos to "go home, we don't want you here" isn't going to make you popular with Latino voters. Does this really surprise ANYONE?

 

[NYcarbineer]

One can always point out extremes.

Agree or disagree?

Is that a yes or a no? While you're working on that,

did Romney lose in Florida because he's too moderate? in Virginia? in Wisconsin? in Ohio? in Michigan?

Notice how the cockbreath ducks the most simple of questions which destroys his meme.


This is way, way too easy sometimes.

LOL

You didn't answer the original question. Did Akin lose because he was too moderate?

Yes or no.

Once you answered that, I can answer your question.

 

[Black_Label]

Let us be honest

The moderates are just leftists and the true center are Rocked Ribb social conservatives.

The Leftist came out to protect their entitlements and half of them lied and said they were moderate.

Am I right?

According to the right wingers, yes. In their mind their are only two people,

Those on the radical right = Americans

Everyone else = Communist/socialist/marxist libs

 

[del]

Let us be honest

The moderates are just leftists and the true center are Rocked Ribb social conservatives.

The Leftist came out to protect their entitlements and half of them lied and said they were moderate.

Am I right?

not even in the same zip code

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let us be honest

The moderates are just leftists and the true center are Rocked Ribb social conservatives.

The Leftist came out to protect their entitlements and half of them lied and said they were moderate.

Am I right?

Social conservatives want to overturn Roe v Wade, which is a view held by about 30% of Americans; that's not the center.

 

[kiwiman127]

Moderates always determine the election.

Those voters who call themselves Independent are the growing voter majority as the those voters who call themselves Republican or Democrat are shrinking.
Read the Crystal Ball, it's not that tough to figure out.

Independent and Moderate are not synonymous.

You are correct with your above statement. Maybe I should have worded my comment differently.
There are conservative Independents that can be divided into two camps. One, is the group that identifies themselves more with the Tea Party platform more than the GOP platform. The second group is the more moderate conservative who is more, thus falling into the moderate demographic. The same holds true to those who lean left.
Thus the term "pragmatic" that is used to describe moderates.

 

[nodoginnafight]

The moderately intelligent decided the race. I agree.

Ahhh ... the "people who disagree with me are just stupid" approach.
Since it proves so ineffective in winning people to your side, it's one of the dumbest approaches to take. (Which tends to undermine the original proposition that those who use it are the smart ones)

 

[NYcarbineer]

So most self-identified Moderates are just liberals who won't admit it?

Well, if 41% of the voters are Moderates, and 25% are Liberals, as the exit polls indicated...

...once you add all the liberals who admit with the liberals who won't,

you end up with a center/left country, not a center/right country as the conservatives like to claim.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Most all right wingers here @ USMB lost credibility during the Presidential race.

Now they think they actually have something to add about the race, like who won it and why?