MLB reinstates Pete Rose and others, paving way for Hall of Fame consideration

[Lesh]

In 1968, Mantle was 36 and batted .237 and limped off to retirement

At 36, Pete Rose batted .311 and had over 200 hits
Pete Rose had over 1500 hits after the age of 36

He shoulda quit then

 

[TemplarKormac]

We are told pete never bet against his team but i don't believe that. I say no HOF for pete.

MSN

Regardless of what you think, why would they do this after he died? It's utterly meaningless now.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Rose hit ZERO home runs that year and that was not even his last year. Played 2 more years after that. His last year his BA was 219 and zero HRs. Mantle's 237 BA his final year was above the league average that year (1968, the year of the pitcher) and he hit 18 HRs.

Rose was terrible his last 5 years while mantle never had a bad year in his career. His WAR rating was positive every year of his career.!! That's super.

petes last 5 years he was in his 40's and played 162 games at the age of 41 and hit .271 with 171 hits....willie mays at 40 played 136 games and had 113 hits....mantle retired at 36 played in 144 games and had 103 hits....i am going to assume you are just somebody who doesnt like pete rose or someone who has never played baseball......

 

[Harry Dresden]

He shoulda quit then

i bet Nolan Ryan was glad he didnt quit at 36....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Regardless of what you think, why would they do this after he died? It's utterly meaningless now.

many baseball players made after they died....

 

[pknopp]

Think so? They get 40 mill a year for a job of absolutely no value to the country.

Entertainment has a lot of value to the country.

Worth what they are paid? Not in my opinion but there most certainly is worth to what they do.

 

[rightwinger]

petes last 5 years he was in his 40's and played 162 games at the age of 41 and hit .271 with 171 hits....willie mays at 40 played 136 games and had 113 hits....mantle retired at 36 played in 144 games and had 103 hits....i am going to assume you are just somebody who doesnt like pete rose or someone who has never played baseball......

Very few all time greats go out when they are at the top of their game. They go out kicking and screaming and if a record is close they will stay in order to break it.
Mantle stayed to pass 500 HRs, Rose wanted Ty Cobbs record. The fans want to see it, the team wants the attention, the League loves it.

 

[rightwinger]

Entertainment has a lot of value to the country.

Worth what they are paid? Not in my opinion but there most certainly is worth to what they do.

As long as the public pays to see them, athletes and entertainers deserve what they are paid.

 

[pknopp]

As long as the public pays to see them, athletes and entertainers deserve what they are paid.

Well, I no longer pay to see them.

 

[TemplarKormac]

many baseball players made after they died....

That's not what I mean. Pete Rose spent most of his life asking the MLB to reinstate him after he was banned to no avail, but it was only after he died that they did it. Like he wasn't even there to see his persistence pay off.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

^^^ Better late than never at all. June Carter Cash is only just now going into the country music hall of fame, and it's been 22 years now since she went forward on May 15, 2003.

God bless you and her family always!!!

Holly

P.S. Johnny Cash followed her just months later on September 11th.

 

[rightwinger]

That's not what I mean. Pete Rose spent most of his life asking the MLB to reinstate him after he was banned to no avail, but it was only after he died that they did it. Like he wasn't even there to see his persistence pay off.

MLB took the term “Lifetime Ban” literally

 

[Harry Dresden]

That's not what I mean. Pete Rose spent most of his life asking the MLB to reinstate him after he was banned to no avail, but it was only after he died that they did it. Like he wasn't even there to see his persistence pay off.

he served his life ban.....is all i can think of...

 

[Michael1985]

We are told pete never bet against his team but i don't believe that. I say no HOF for pete.

MSN

I'll say about this what I have said elsewhere. I would strongly prefer Mr. Rose get into HoF by virtue of the Hall reconsidering its position on enshrining banned players as opposed to reinstatement in that PR knew what the consequences would be and did it anyway. But if reinstatement is to be done, it should happen by changing the rule around gambling for everyone, and not make a special case for just him. This is what MLB has effectively done by the change of permanent ineligibility to a flat lifetime ban. I am just as pleased that "Shoeless Joe" Jackson and possibly Eddie Ciccotte will now be considered for enshrinement as Pete Rose. I can also get behind MLB's rationale that deceased players are not at risk of further undermining the integrity of the game after they are gone. I don't think this is ideal in that I consider the perfect solution to have come from the HoF and not the commissioner's office, but it's about as well as MLB could have done.

 

[Harry Dresden]

micky mantle and willie mays were both banned for 1 year each for being greeters in casinos...

 

[rightwinger]

I'll say about this what I have said elsewhere. I would strongly prefer Mr. Rose get into HoF by virtue of the Hall reconsidering its position on enshrining banned players as opposed to reinstatement in that PR knew what the consequences would be and did it anyway. But if reinstatement is to be done, it should happen by changing the rule around gambling for everyone, and not make a special case for just him. This is what MLB has effectively done by the change of permanent ineligibility to a flat lifetime ban. I am just as pleased that "Shoeless Joe" Jackson and possibly Eddie Ciccotte will now be considered for enshrinement as Pete Rose. I can also get behind MLB's rationale that deceased players are not at risk of further undermining the integrity of the game after they are gone. I don't think this is ideal in that I consider the perfect solution to have come from the HoF and not the commissioner's office, but it's about as well as MLB could have done.

I was adamant that steroid users should never make the HOF.

But the reality is that steroids were part of the game in the 90s. Some of the best players I saw in my lifetime used them because baseball looked the other way. Bonds, Clemens, ARod, McGuire, Sosa.

When it came time for enshrinement, Baseball had no problem honoring Bud Selig and Tony LaRusso.

Selig presided over the Baseball strike that cancelled a World Series and looked the other way while his sport was overtaken by steroids. He sure took the profits

LaRuso saw his best player, Mark McGuire suddenly bulk up and raise his HR totals by 30. He never notified the league or the fans tandoori just took the wins.

 

[Michael1985]

I was adamant that steroid users should never make the HOF.

But the reality is that steroids were part of the game in the 90s. Some of the best players I saw in my lifetime used them because baseball looked the other way. Bonds, Clemens, ARod, McGuire, Sosa.

When it came time for enshrinement, Baseball had no problem honoring Bud Selig and Tony LaRusso.

Selig presided over the Baseball strike that cancelled a World Series and looked the other way while his sport was overtaken by steroids. He sure took the profits

LaRuso saw his best player, Mark McGuire suddenly bulk up and raise his HR totals by 30. He never notified the league or the fans tandoori just took the wins.

I agree that steroid users should never see the Hall, and the media writers have already been far too lenient with certain known users like Mike Piazza and David Ortiz. LaRussa is second on the all-time wins list, and I think that makes him worthy of getting in, even if he was to an extent a beneficiary of McGwire's usage. Selig got in just for being a long-tenured commissioner, and I don't think that's Hall-worthy unto itself. He should not be in.

 

[rightwinger]

I agree that steroid users should never see the Hall, and the media writers have already been far too lenient with certain known users like Mike Piazza and David Ortiz. LaRussa is second on the all-time wins list, and I think that makes him worthy of getting in, even if he was to an extent a beneficiary of McGwire's usage. Selig got in just for being a long-tenured commissioner, and I don't think that's Hall-worthy unto itself. He should not be in.

And that is my problem with banning players while you honor management who exploited steroid use to sell the game.
McGuire /Sosa was a daily story
Bonds accomplishments were legendary

Selig and LaRussa knew something was wrong and gladly looked the other way. The Media, who missed what was right before their face is just as culpable.

Baseball made big money off of Steroids.

To pretend outrage at the players is BS

 

[Harry Dresden]

I was adamant that steroid users should never make the HOF.

But the reality is that steroids were part of the game in the 90s. Some of the best players I saw in my lifetime used them because baseball looked the other way. Bonds, Clemens, ARod, McGuire, Sosa.

When it came time for enshrinement, Baseball had no problem honoring Bud Selig and Tony LaRusso.

Selig presided over the Baseball strike that cancelled a World Series and looked the other way while his sport was overtaken by steroids. He sure took the profits

LaRuso saw his best player, Mark McGuire suddenly bulk up and raise his HR totals by 30. He never notified the league or the fans tandoori just took the wins.

and no one said shit when bonds had his best years in his late 30's when most players are fading...

 

[rightwinger]

and no one said shit when bonds had his best years in his late 30's when most players are fading...

The media saw Bonds beef up right before their eyes.
They knew what steroids were and ran stories about baseballs being juiced not players