Pete Rose

Bonds and Clemens chemically enhanced their performance.
1. Neither were ever suspended or fined for that.
2. No one has ever demonstrated that hitting a baseball or throwing a changeup is impacted by any PE drugs. If they were, the MLB home run champion would be Randy Poffo.
3. You really think those were the only ones?
And, finally...
Gaylord Perry, Don Drysdale, ****** Ford, George Brett...
 
1. Neither were ever suspended or fined for that.
2. No one has ever demonstrated that hitting a baseball or throwing a changeup is impacted by any PE drugs. If they were, the MLB home run champion would be Randy Poffo.
3. You really think those were the only ones?
And, finally...
Gaylord Perry, Don Drysdale, ****** Ford, George Brett...
****** Ford used steroids?
 
I think he should be inducted but think this is one of those situations where they will do Posthumously. Would be great though if he could see the day it happens.

It would not only be great...it would be the right thing to do. In a few years, Jose Altuve will be up for consideration for the HOF. Baseball Reference has him as almost a shoo-in Hall of Famer if I am looking at their metrics correctly:

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Should they make him wait 60 years to be in the HOF because he was part of the sign stealing scandal?
 
I was listening to the Yankees broadcast the other day and they reported that it was Pete Rose's 81st birthday. The broadcasters, like I think he should be in the Hall of Fame. He bet on baseball and (according to one of the same announcers) gambling is now one of the biggest sponsors of MLB... It seems sort of ridiculous that he is still being punished for this. Whatever damage he's done, he's paid enough already.
Pete Rose probably bet against his own team. If he did **** the guy. If he only bet on his team (I’m not buying that story) then maybe he should get a spot. But I believe gambling against your team is a more egregious thing to do than use steroids. I think a lot the steroid guys that have been left out of the hall have more of a claim to be in than Rose.
 
I heard that Rose never placed bets on his own team?
If that's true, then I don't see the problem with him placing bets? ... :dunno:
No. His claim was he only bet on his team to win, but he’s probably lying, because MLB never confirmed that to be true
 
Jesus H. Christ, the people around here cannot even remember RECENT history.

It is not relevant whether Rose bet on or against his own team, although the worst imaginable thing would have been to bet against his team. He bet on other games, based on his inside knowledge of the players, injuries, tendencies and whatnot. Parenthetically, it does not appear that he was particularly successful at it, he just had a bit of a gambling addiction.

At the time (and probably to this day), all players and other staff were extensively briefed by the Commissioners office during Spring Training that NO SPORTS BETTING would be acceptable, and if caught betting on sports you would get, in effect, the baseball death penalty.

Pete Rose and Bart Giamatti (then-commissioner of baseball) AGREED, IN WRITING, that Rose would be permanently banned from anything associated with MLB. Specifically,

"Peter Edward Rose is hereby declared permanently ineligible in accordance with Major League Rule 21 and placed on the Ineligible List."


It doesn't matter what would have happened if he had done the same thing today. It doesn't matter how good he was, or where his stats line up. He committed an unforgivable sin, and was punished according to the rules in effect at the time, and he agreed with the punishment at the time.

Case closed.
 
Pete Rose probably bet against his own team. If he did **** the guy. If he only bet on his team (I’m not buying that story) then maybe he should get a spot. But I believe gambling against your team is a more egregious thing to do than use steroids. I think a lot the steroid guys that have been left out of the hall have more of a claim to be in than Rose.
You make a very strong case.

However, I believe 30 years or whatever it has been is sufficient punishment.

Again, I think we need to codify the voting classes for the Hall of Fame; do so in a way that both acknowledges your contribution to the sport while at the same time acknowledges either your distinctive contributions or injury to the public. Its like a graduation ceremony. There is the cum laude graduates and then there are regular graduates. And then there are the guys and gals who finished up in Summer School who didn't get to march across the stage and get the diploma.

Clemente....cum laude
Greg Maddux....graduate
Pete Rose...just give him a plaque
 
You make a very strong case.

However, I believe 30 years or whatever it has been is sufficient punishment.

Again, I think we need to codify the voting classes for the Hall of Fame; do so in a way that both acknowledges your contribution to the sport while at the same time acknowledges either your distinctive contributions or injury to the public. Its like a graduation ceremony. There is the cum laude graduates and then there are regular graduates. And then there are the guys and gals who finished up in Summer School who didn't get to march across the stage and get the diploma.

Clemente....cum laude
Greg Maddux....graduate
Pete Rose...just give him a plaque
You’re either a hall of fame player or you’re not, giving him a plaque in the hall and not recognize him as a hall of fammer would serve no purpose in my opinion. If he’s 81 years old he shouldn’t give a shit anyway. What he did on the field spoke for itself, I don’t know why he needs the validation. I don’t see Bonds or Clemons whining about how they didn’t make it.
 
What he did on the field spoke for itself, I don’t know why he needs the validation.
I totally agree with you on that. That being said, the sport has all-star games, Halls of Fame, MVP awards,etc... It is the culture of the sport to have such acclaim.
You’re either a hall of fame player or you’re not, giving him a plaque in the hall and not recognize him as a hall of fammer would serve no purpose in my opinion.
Well, in other aspects of our culture, graduating is different than graduating with honors. A dishonorable discharge is different than other discharges from the military. Certainly the HOF can make such distinctions between honoring what was done on the field and not honoring the man himself.
If he’s 81 years old he shouldn’t give a shit anyway.
I'm not sure he does.
I don’t see Bonds or Clemons whining about how they didn’t make it.
I don't see Pete Rose whining either although I really don't pay much attention to him. They brought it up on the broadcast so I thought I'd add my two cents in.

Good discussion.
 
Once he was kicked out of Baseball, Rose made a living off of signing memorabilia

Doubt if his signature is worth much


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Around a hundred bucks

 
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Update: Pete Rose mercifully died last year. Yay!
And bitter, poindexter journalism majors who didn’t make their high school team will continue to keep him out of the Hall of Fame because he was a meanie and not Mother Theresa like they like to think of themselves as

Pete Rose syndrome.. a lot like TDS
 
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Indeed, Rose thrived and faded away at 83, unlike brilliant Mozart whose candle burned out at 35.

 
I heard that Rose never placed bets on his own team?
If that's true, then I don't see the problem with him placing bets? ... :dunno:


Oh, plenty of problems could arise. Betting was not legal in those days much. Street bookies could get him in hock, threaten him, blackmail etc.. As a manager he could leave in pitchers (killing young arms, sit players who should be in, overuse star relivers night after night, plenty of stuff). Bookies say “we know your daughter goes to Ohio elementary and it’s all over.
 
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They said no gambling. It was a rule posted in every clubhouse forever. I agree he should be in HOF but gambling with street bookies is not like FanDuel on your phone thru wireless to your bank ll paid up in advance. Think about it. A phone call to lay you numbers? A slip of paper scrawled out? Dishonest bookies?
 
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