Baseball Hall of Fame

[Plagerist]

Still much better than the "rock & roll" hall of fame.

 

[Plagerist]

Even though his entire team hated Ty, as everyone else did because he was such a jerk to everyone,...

Was Cobb really a jerk? Or did players dislike him out of jealousy? Cobb invested in Coke and GM, among other companies. He was also a great player, something alone many would be jealous of.

 

[rightwinger]

Still much better than the "rock & roll" hall of fame.

Rock and Roll HOF doesn’t ban people for drug use
If they did, they would have no members

 

[Plagerist]

Rock and Roll HOF doesn’t ban people for drug use
If they did, they would have no members

But they include no talents just to get visitors.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Still much better than the "rock & roll" hall of fame.

you got that right.....that place became pretty bad....

 

[candycorn]

Hate to say it….But the Baseball Hall of Fame is diminished by not having Steroid Players in it.


I have been watching Baseball for 60 years and if I were to name the Top 10 players I have seen in my lifetime…..Players like Alex Rodriguez, Roger Clemons, Pete Rose and Barry Bonds would be on it.

For the HOF to claim its members are the best to ever play the game is just not true.
Even worse it allowed Bud Selig and Tony LaRussa to be admitted without question. All the players knew that Steroids were out there and would improve your performance tremendously. They also knew that nobody was checking. To pretend that Selig and LaRussa did not know is ridiculous.
They gladly accepted the increased revenue that steroids generated and LaRussa accepted the wins McGuire was generating without saying that those wins were in question.
LaRussa had a cheater on his team and did nothing about it.

The really sad thing (other than the double standards you mentioned above) is that the solution is, to me anyway, obvious. You have graduation and you have graduation with honors. They are not the same thing. You can say you graduated from State U either way...but only Honors graduates can say they graduated with honors.

I’m not recommending that the Hall use that nomenclature but maybe something along those lines. Induct Rose, Clemens, Bonds, and the others but reserve the “with honors” inductees for the players who played clean, were strong in the community off the field, etc...

One of the things it will do is motivate players to excel in both their career and their community once they are on an HOF track (or not). I can’t picture Nolan Ryan or Bob Gibson doing community reach-out or serving as the ever popular “ambassador” for the sport. But a player like, maybe, Craig Biggio (who I thought was over-rated) maybe conducts himself differently during his career. And, who knows, maybe a player like Caminitti (sp?) thinks twice before he starts juicing which likely lead to the other issues he had that cut his life short.

 

[candycorn]

I look at Barry Bonds as the worst abuser of Steroids

But along with Ken Griffey Jr, he was the best player in the game. Then along came McGuire and Sosa along with a bunch of other steroid players who were hitting 50 plus HRs and reporters looked down at Bonds who was only hitting 40.
MLB was making heroes of these players and not doing a thing to check for Steroids.

Finally, Bonds said…..OK if you want to ignore players on steroids, I’ll show you what I can do on steroids.

Good point. When there is no penalty for cheating...more people are going to cheat.