Mississippi Governor Declares April as Confederate Heritage Month

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The South fought to defend the Confederacy

A nation formed to preserve slavery in their new nation forever.
This nation had 40 percent of its population in slavery. The Confederacy was built out of HATRED of the USA.

Why would any loyal American defend it?
What you call "the South", was hundreds of thousands of human beings, mostly CIVILIANS. mostly dirt poor, didn't own a slave, never saw one, and lucky if they owned a horse. Civil war battlefield photos show southern, barefoot civilians lying next to their rifles. They knew NOTHING WHATSOEVER about slavery or the Confederacy, and probably didn't even know black people existed.

The only thing they were defending, was their families, their homes, their towns. How many times does this need to be said, to get that into your dense heads ?

Some civilians in coastal plain areas (a small %) who managed to find out about the Confederacy, and joined it, upon receiving their uniforms (boots & all), were often heard saying" This is the best suit of clothes I've ever owned."

When leftists talk about the Civil War, all they do is repeat the mantra their masters program into them, and dupe them to. Lots of examples right here in this thread. Displays of ignorance.
What I call “The South” had 40 percent of its population in bondage. The Confederacy was created to keep those people in bondage.

Not something worth celebrating

Nobody asked that 40 percent of that population or their descendants whether celebrating the Confederacy was appropriate. Nor did anyone in power care

Still don't

They can go home if they don't like it

You are more than welcome to go with them.
And today those descendants are being heard. They do not want those monuments in their communities and want them removed.

If you don’t like it, you can leave
 

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Affirmative Action opened up OPPORTUNITY

No longer could you claim women or minorities were unsuited for certain positions because of who they were.

No longer could you reserve certain positions for white males
Np longer could white males GET ANY POSITIONS. AA closed up opportunity for them.

Don't believe it ? Go to the Tampa VA hospital and walk the hallways. You'll see hundreds of employees. Doctors, nurses, technicians, maintenance, chefs, etc.
Out of 16,000 employees, you'll see 65% blacks, 30% other non-whites, 5% white women (mostly doctors), and ZERO % white males. Get the picture, Mr Do-Gooder ?

Across Tampa Bay in St. Petersburg VA Hospital, same thing. In Workforce offices, same thing.
Surprisingly, White Males were still able to find employment during Affirmative Action

The only difference was they no longer had positions reserved exclusively for them
 

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Affirmative Action was a major success. All American families benefitted from it
ABSURD! Affirmative Action has been perhaps the # 1 ABOMINATION in American economics for 56 years. It is the # 1 racist discrimination, victimizing, by far, the largest number of people in America, and many, if not most, lives have been partially destroyed by it.

And just look at the hypocrisy of the despicable left, who supports this # 1 racism in America, all the while chanting against racism. To them, malicious racism is perfectly OK, as long as blacks are the beneficiaries, and whites are the victims. This is America's # 1 DISGRACE, since the Vietnam War.

All whites and Asians who have had the lives ruined by this disaster, should be paid reparations$$$, directly from the pockets of all those who are guilty of pushing and supporting AA.

You are either the biggest LIAR or the biggest IDIOT in this forum.
Affirmative Action WORKED

It provided previously unobtainable job opportunities to minorities and WOMEN
I don't think you realize how degrading affirmative action is.

First, because you yourself are in fact engaging in bigotry. You are openly saying that black people are mentally incapable of achieving things without the help of you white people.

You do realize that you are engaging in Racism when you say that?

You are saying these lessor pathetic incompetent beings, need your help to succeed in life. That's about as racist as it gets.

Second, Affirmative Actions removes dignity from Black people. Because people who get jobs only because they are black, know it, and so does everyone else.

I've worked about 2 jobs where we had the token black, and everyone knew they were the token black, and the token blacks knew they were the token black.

There is nothing more humiliating than knowing that you are considered a necessary incompetent worker.

It's part of the reason why blacks have progressed economically at a slower rate after the civil rights movement, than they did before the civil rights movement.

Because even Blacks that are competent, now are viewed with suspicions.... are they actually good at what they do, or did they get here because of their skin?

That's just a fact. You can't really change it. Go read Thomas Sowells book, where he overheard students talking about professors, and saying the only reason a couple of them were on staff, is because they were black, not because they could teach.

That's reality. Affirmative action has damaged blacks in the work place. Not helped.
Affirmative Action opened up OPPORTUNITY

No longer could you claim women or minorities were unsuited for certain positions because of who they were.

No longer could you reserve certain positions for white males
So I've looked for such evidence, and found zero. At best I found that in a very general sense, that the economic and standard of living of black people over all, improved faster prior to the civil rights movement, than before. In fact, there were more blacks in public office prior to the 1960s, than after the 1960s.

Now.... my claim, and your claim do not contradict each other.

Your claim could still be true, regardless of mine.

So.... Would you care to provide some clear evidence supporting your claim? It could be true, I don't know. I haven't found anything suggesting that.

What evidence do you have, that women were specifically excluded from jobs prior to the Affirmative Action, and you can prove not a single person was employed before, and then were in significant number after?
 

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Ask the black Muslim who killed those white women since you think this shit is so funny and right.. Maybe he felt like Nat Turner since it is Confederate History Month.

i would rather just see him shot down like the dog he is. YOu might care about his opinion, but I don't.
Black men celebrate the killing of white women. That's why they do it so often.
 

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What I call “The South” had 40 percent of its population in bondage. The Confederacy was created to keep those people in bondage.

Not something worth celebrating

Nobody asked that 40 percent of that population or their descendants whether celebrating the Confederacy was appropriate. Nor did anyone in power care
Well if that's what you call "the South", then we are talking about 2 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS. Because what I call "the South", was 99% without any bondage.

Where did you get that HIGHLY DUBIOUS figure of 40% of its population in bondage ? This is about as likely as a housecat becoming an olympic swimmer.

Also, the "Confederacy" is one thing. THE SOUTH is another. I sense you don't know the distinction.
 

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They chose to wear the uniform of a nation formed out of HATRED of the USA
A nation dedicated to keeping a major portion of its population IN SLAVERY

Not something to be honored
"THEY" ? WHO is this "they" you speak of ? 1% of the population of the South ? And are you sure even this small % "chose" ? Actually, NO they did NOT choose.

The Confederate states’ draft began in 1862, not too long after the war broke out. At first, men between the ages of 18 and 35 were called up, and were required to serve three years if selected. The age group grew as the war went on, with the final draft covering those aged between 17 and 50 years.

 

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Affirmative Action opened up OPPORTUNITY

No longer could you claim women or minorities were unsuited for certain positions because of who they were.

No longer could you reserve certain positions for white males
Np longer could white males GET ANY POSITIONS. AA closed up opportunity for them.

Don't believe it ? Go to the Tampa VA hospital and walk the hallways. You'll see hundreds of employees. Doctors, nurses, technicians, maintenance, chefs, etc.
Out of 16,000 employees, you'll see 65% blacks, 30% other non-whites, 5% white women (mostly doctors), and ZERO % white males. Get the picture, Mr Do-Gooder ?

Across Tampa Bay in St. Petersburg VA Hospital, same thing. In Workforce offices, same thing.
Surprisingly, White Males were still able to find employment during Affirmative Action

The only difference was they no longer had positions reserved exclusively for them
Well, no. Whites males never had "positions reserved for them exclusively". On a society wide level, if you are telling me that a black guy shows up, and can do a better job than any white guy in the room, and the employer refused to earn a ton of profit off that black guy because he was black.... not true. Not on a society wide level, no.

There might have been a specific employer who only hired white men, and still did.

Employers who refused to hire minorities, continued to do so, with the 'token black' over in the corner that was hired to avoid a lawsuit. Again I've been in those companies.

I know for a fact that they hired that one dark skin guy, to sit in the corner, never getting a raise, never getting a promotion, to sit and do menial work. And this wasn't our choice as employees obviously, but it was clear he was incompetent, because he damaged stuff we gave him to do. But they wouldn't fire him, because he was the token black. So we had him carry out trash, and empty bins, and such.

Do you think that affirmative action allowed blacks or minorities to rise, by having them end up in dead end jobs, where they are not wanted, and would never advance in their life?

Because that is in fact what you are saying. Forcing people to hire employees they don't want, is a great way to destroy those employees.
 

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From 1846 to 1848 the United States was at war with Mexico. If we can have a fucked up Hispanic heritage month for rapists and drug pushers we can certainly have a Confederate Heritage month. We have an Asian heritage month to honor the slime that bombed Pearl Harbor. Confederate Heritage month is MORE than appropriate.
 

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Or are you a faggot?
You repeatedly misrepresent history and are repeatedly exposed doing so, so now your crybaby argument is that Southerners are “not being allowed“ to celebrate the “heritage of their ancestors.” First of all, even Americans raised in the Deep South are by no means all whites, and the heritage of white Southerners is not at all primarily embodied in the Confederacy.

We Americans are lucky. We are free to choose and forge our own identities. Even outside the U.S. cultured people individually and collectively can and do make choices. Germans did not choose to define their heritage by the Third Reich, which lasted 3x longer than the Confederate Rebellion. Why are so many whites still attached to the Confederacy and the Confederate Flag? Mainly because for historical reasons it became associated with a hundred years of Jim Crow apartheid, and racism, and white supremacy, because it was tolerated — even supported — by our whole country.

Today, decades after the Civil Rights Movement forced the end of Jim Crow, it is perfectly natural that miopic reactionary “celebrations” of Confederate heritage be banned from our public squares, courtrooms, State Capitols, and from our military. State by state and county by county public authorities have voted to remove Confederate symbols and particularly controversial statues from public arenas. This is part of the democratic process and it is overwhelmingly appropriate and legitimate.

Personally, I look forward to the day when nobody “celebrates” the Confederate rebellion, or sees it as central to his identity. But that of course is up to each individual.

P.S. It would also be nice if you didn’t feel you have to end your “arguments” by asking opponents if they are “faggots.” Not very mature.
Excellent one-way explanation defending censorship.
The confederacy fought for states’ rights and military officers led nobly.
Marxists like yourself only wish to apply selective views in order to justify consorship, revise history and thereby make Marxism easier to employ.
Confederacy fought to maintain slavery and because they hated the USA.
They didn't like being dictated to, by the Federal Government, and they believed correctly, that they had a right to leave the Union.
They HATED the USA

Why should we celebrate that?
"We".... who is "we"?

Robert E Lee, was a General who lead the men of Virginia. He loved Virginia, and he defended Virginia, and fought for Virginia.

Do you think the people of Virginia have a right to remember this man who lived, and fought for the people of his state?

Yes. Now if you don't want to celebrate that, fine. But you don't get to dictate to others. What you think of Robert E Lee, does not mean diddly jack to the people of Virginia who do want to remember their heritage.

And you trying to say otherwise, makes you a tyrannical monster.

Mind... your own.... business. Didn't you have parents that taught you how to be a human being in a society? Mind your own crap.
 

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“HERITAGE NOT HATE” is a catchy slogan ... but it becomes something else when imposed on top of a Confederate Flag ... or a Nazi Flag ... or on a photo of Stalin addressing soldiers and workers in Red Square. It is a non sequitur in such places.

Americans are slowly, agonizingly, awakening to discover that the noble “Lost Cause” they long accepted really wasn’t. How dangerous it is to our present national unity. Even in most “Old South” states they have rejected the old song and dance act of openly racist politicians. They are now finally even giving up “singing Dixie” in the wrong note. Why? Partly it’s because they see its negative results. Mostly they just want to take away any provocations, any excuses for anger and rioting, any incentives for murderous racism. They are right to adjust old habits of thought and try to build a truly New South. To remove those old Confederate Flags from public buildings.

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South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley signs into law a bill that enabled the removal of the Confederate flag from the State House grounds more than 50 years after the rebel banner was raised to protest the civil rights movement.

Dylan Roof entered into the world of white supremacy and was inspired by a racist hate group. He told friends he wanted to start a “race war.” Someone had to take “drastic action” to take back America from “stupid and violent” African Americans.

On June 17, 2015, he attended a Bible study meeting at the historic Emanuel A.M.E. Church in Charleston, South Carolina, and murdered nine people, all of them black. The act of terror shocked America with its chilling brutality. But Roof did not spark a race war. Far from it.

When photos surfaced depicting the 21-year-old white supremacist with the Confederate battle flag — including one in which he held the flag in one hand and a gun in the other — Roof ignited something else entirely: a grassroots movement to remove the flag from public spaces.

In what seemed like an instant, the South’s 150-year reverence for the Confederacy was shaken. Public officials responded to the national mourning and outcry by removing prominent public displays of its most recognizable symbol.

It became a moment of deep reflection for the nation — and particularly for a region where the Confederate flag is viewed by many white Southerners as an emblem of their heritage and regional pride despite its association with slavery, Jim Crow and the violent resistance to the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s.

*adapted in part from a SPLC article
 
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From 1846 to 1848 the United States was at war with Mexico. If we can have a fucked up Hispanic heritage month for rapists and drug pushers we can certainly have a Confederate Heritage month. We have an Asian heritage month to honor the slime that bombed Pearl Harbor. Confederate Heritage month is MORE than appropriate.
What is Confederate Heritage?

Hating the USA or ensuring Slavery?
 

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We".... who is "we"?
Now you are getting it

In the Confederacy, “we” never included the slaves
In the post confederacy South, ”we” never included the views of those who descended from slaves, only the views of those who descended from confederates.

Now, “we” includes everyone, and “we” do not want those monuments to the Confederacy
 

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The confederacy was not the United States so it did not have US political parties. And so we now have a republican deciding to honor racism with racist history month.
..according to 2nd stupidest USMB forumer.

IM2, are you seriously attempting to regain your throne as the #1 stupidest USMB forumer?
 

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“HERITAGE NOT HATE” is a catchy slogan ... but it becomes something else when imposed on top of a Confederate Flag ... or a Nazi Flag ... or on a photo of Stalin addressing soldiers and workers in Red Square. It is a non sequitur in such places.

Americans are slowly, agonizingly, awakening to discover that the noble “Lost Cause” they long accepted really wasn’t. How dangerous it is to our present national unity. Even in most “Old South” states they have rejected the old song and dance act of openly racist politicians. They are now finally even giving up “singing Dixie” in the wrong note. Why? Partly it’s because they see its negative results. Mostly they just want to take away any provocations, any excuses for anger and rioting, any incentives for murderous racism. They are right to adjust old habits of thought and try to build a truly New South. To remove those old Confederate Flags from public buildings.

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South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley signs into law a bill that enabled the removal of the Confederate flag from the State House grounds more than 50 years after the rebel banner was raised to protest the civil rights movement.

Dylan Roof entered into the world of white supremacy and was inspired by a racist hate group. He told friends he wanted to start a “race war.” Someone had to take “drastic action” to take back America from “stupid and violent” African Americans.

On June 17, 2015, he attended a Bible study meeting at the historic Emanuel A.M.E. Church in Charleston, South Carolina, and murdered nine people, all of them black. The act of terror shocked America with its chilling brutality. But Roof did not spark a race war. Far from it.

When photos surfaced depicting the 21-year-old white supremacist with the Confederate battle flag — including one in which he held the flag in one hand and a gun in the other — Roof ignited something else entirely: a grassroots movement to remove the flag from public spaces.

In what seemed like an instant, the South’s 150-year reverence for the Confederacy was shaken. Public officials responded to the national mourning and outcry by removing prominent public displays of its most recognizable symbol.

It became a moment of deep reflection for the nation — and particularly for a region where the Confederate flag is viewed by many white Southerners as an emblem of their heritage and regional pride despite its association with slavery, Jim Crow and the violent resistance to the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s.
Seems the Democrats had NO problem with The Confederate Flag when Bill Clinton and Al Gore were using it:

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OR when Obama used it in 2012 OR when Hillary used it in 2016:

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Just FOUR years ago Hillary's Campaign was PROUDLY using The Confederate Flag NOW all of a sudden the thing is EVIL and must be subjected to Cancel Culture? What HYPOCRITES Democrats are:

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“HERITAGE NOT HATE” is a catchy slogan ... but it becomes something else when imposed on top of a Confederate Flag ... or a Nazi Flag ... or on a photo of Stalin addressing soldiers and workers in Red Square. It is a non sequitur in such places.

Americans are slowly, agonizingly, awakening to discover that the noble “Lost Cause” they long accepted really wasn’t. How dangerous it is to our present national unity. Even in most “Old South” states they have rejected the old song and dance act of openly racist politicians. They are now finally even giving up “singing Dixie” in the wrong note. Why? Partly it’s because they see its negative results. Mostly they just want to take away any provocations, any excuses for anger and rioting, any incentives for murderous racism. They are right to adjust old habits of thought and try to build a truly New South. To remove those old Confederate Flags from public buildings.

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South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley signs into law a bill that enabled the removal of the Confederate flag from the State House grounds more than 50 years after the rebel banner was raised to protest the civil rights movement.

Dylan Roof entered into the world of white supremacy and was inspired by a racist hate group. He told friends he wanted to start a “race war.” Someone had to take “drastic action” to take back America from “stupid and violent” African Americans.

On June 17, 2015, he attended a Bible study meeting at the historic Emanuel A.M.E. Church in Charleston, South Carolina, and murdered nine people, all of them black. The act of terror shocked America with its chilling brutality. But Roof did not spark a race war. Far from it.

When photos surfaced depicting the 21-year-old white supremacist with the Confederate battle flag — including one in which he held the flag in one hand and a gun in the other — Roof ignited something else entirely: a grassroots movement to remove the flag from public spaces.

In what seemed like an instant, the South’s 150-year reverence for the Confederacy was shaken. Public officials responded to the national mourning and outcry by removing prominent public displays of its most recognizable symbol.

It became a moment of deep reflection for the nation — and particularly for a region where the Confederate flag is viewed by many white Southerners as an emblem of their heritage and regional pride despite its association with slavery, Jim Crow and the violent resistance to the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s.
Seems the Democrats had NO problem with The Confederate Flag when Bill Clinton and Al Gore were using it:

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Whether it is Democratic or Republican politicians or just citizens who see the light and reject these old divisive symbols of Confederate rebellion, Jim Crow and white racism it’s all the same to me. It all represents progress. Which is why I showed Conservative Republican Nikki Haley signing the legislation to remove the Confederate Flag in S. Carolina. But your partisan fanaticism is noted.

P.S. The rectangular Clinton-Gore button above (like the later Hillary button) lacks a union symbol — they have been exposed as unauthorized commercial artifacts, or forgeries.

P.P.S. Kindly take your irrelevant partisan crap to another thread.
 

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Now, “we” includes everyone, and “we” do not want those monuments to the Confederacy
FALSE! Your "we" does NOT include everyone. The "we" you are talking about, is Democrats, the party of racism in 2020, that puts blacks above whites. The party that supports the worst and # 1 racial discrimination against by far, the largest number of people (whites), in Affirmative Action.

Democrats also disregard the wishes of millions of people who support Confederate soldier statues, and Democrats dishonestly connect them with slavery, a notion that is PREPOSTEROUS, when soldiers never made policy of any kind, but only followed orders. You got a problem with a policy ? Bitch at the policy makers, not a soldier.

As for who does "not want those monuments to the Confederacy", have you taken a survey ? You may be surprised how many millions of people DO want those monuments of Confederate soldiers to stay right where they are (including millions of southern blacks)

Apparently, WE the people, of the USA, overwhelmingly want the statues and memorials to remain, since only 23 Confederate statues/monuments/memorials have been removed, since the George Floyd protests began May 25. This leaves 1,480 still standing. And most of those are going nowhere, as there is a 10 year prison sentence waiting for those who try to remove them from federal land, and states have laws against their removal by anyone, including mayors, governors, city councils, and state legislatures.

Liberals have a habit of conflating reality with what they how they would like things to be. Life doesn't work that way.
 

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Surprisingly, White Males were still able to find employment during Affirmative Action

The only difference was they no longer had positions reserved exclusively for them
Apparently you don't read very well. See Post # 597. (and READ it)

And why do you put Affirmative Action on the past tense ? You think it isn't going strong right this minute ? Check out the VA hospitals. Try to find a single white male working there, out of thousands of minority employees. Go ahead. Do that.
 

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Now, “we” includes everyone, and “we” do not want those monuments to the Confederacy
FALSE! Your "we" does NOT include everyone. The "we" you are talking about, is Democrats, the party of racism in 2020, that puts blacks above whites. The party that supports the worst and # 1 racial discrimination against by far, the largest number of people (whites), in Affirmative Action.

Democrats also disregard the wishes of millions of people who support Confederate soldier statues, and Democrats dishonestly connect them with slavery, a notion that is PREPOSTEROUS, when soldiers never made policy of any kind, but only followed orders. You got a problem with a policy ? Bitch at the policy makers, not a soldier.

As for who does "not want those monuments to the Confederacy", have you taken a survey ? You may be surprised how many millions of people DO want those monuments of Confederate soldiers to stay right where they are (including millions of southern blacks)

Apparently, WE the people, of the USA, overwhelmingly want the statues and memorials to remain, since only 23 Confederate statues/monuments/memorials have been removed, since the George Floyd protests began May 25. This leaves 1,480 still standing. And most of those are going nowhere, as there is a 10 year prison sentence waiting for those who try to remove them from federal land, and states have laws against their removal by anyone, including mayors, governors, city councils, and state legislatures.

Liberals have a habit of conflating reality with what they how they would like things to be. Life doesn't work that way.
Wrong again

When those confederate monuments were erected, black residents were denied the vote and were not represented in state or local government.
They were not part of “we”

Today they are

Those monuments are destined for the scrap yard
 

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