Minimum wage, living wage, child labor, white blue collar suburbs, black blue collar ghettos

[TNHarley]

First and foremost, Democrats and Republicans, conservatives and liberals, all tend to be wrong on a significant portion of the debate when it comes to these topics. This thread is not about raising the minimum wage. This is about having a realistic picture of the American employment market. What jobs are out there, what are they paying, who is available to fill them.

But one thing in particular that really baffles me is the absolute stupidity that many on the right use with arguments about how low wage jobs are supposed to be stepping stones, "first jobs", and all that nonsense. And it's very telling how many on the right think that suburban, white, unskilled workers on a GM assembly line during the golden years that made America great were doing jobs that warranted a lifelong career at a decent wage; yet unskilled urban black and Latino workers working in a warehouse are lazy, useless leeches who shouldn't be doing that job for very long and deserve nothing better than the ghetto wages that will make America great again.

The question becomes "What should happen with all these low wage jobs that aren't supposed to be filled but for a short time by people working their first job?" Do people really believe that there are such few of these jobs that they can be filled by teenage kids and college students home on break?

The data is from a few years ago, but we all know that wages have been largely the same for the past few years. Any change would be negligible for the point here. But it turns out that about 42% of Americans make less than $15 an hour.

The 16 - 20 age group makes up only 7.3% of the workforce. Nowhere near enough to fill the total positions that pay less than $15 an hour. So it is a complete falsehood to say that these are jobs that these positions are only stepping stones and should only be first jobs for teenagers and new high school grads.

The jobs available in America are dictated by those goods and services the American public has a demand to buy. The modern American working class must fill those jobs the American consumer's buying demands. Warehouse employees at Amazon, fast food workers, retail, restaurant servers and cooks, so and and so forth. This is the modern day American working class. Stubbornly insisting that the only well paying working class jobs should be in a coal mine, or a GM factory assembly line, is nothing more than interjecting an unfounded idealism into the natural market.

We need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation at fourteen dollars an hour to solve simple poverty; Capitalism is about voluntary social transactions. Socialism's job is ensure those "goal posts" are fixed as Standards.

Who the fuck would work a job for a dollar an hour?

capitalists who would like to be Good and not Bad?

I really wonder if you understand anything. Your delusional interpretation of the most basic terms blows my fucking mind.

 

[BS Filter]

The only people that shoudl control an employees pay is he and his employer.
Its none of our fucking business what they make. If they think its worth it to make 7.25 then fuck em. Not like there isnt plenty of jobs out there.
Some people dont care about them and their families, so why should i?

why any taxes at all, right wingers? they slow venture capital growth.

Yes, why? We lived as a nation for many years without a Federal income tax. Roads got built. Schools got funded.

 

[danielpalos]

Democrats and Republicans both get preoccupied with what people "deserve". But the market doesn't care. The value of a given job has nothing to do with how much the employee needs or deserves.

it must as a market based metric;

true faith in Capitalism would achieve that.

transactions must be voluntary, not coerced. that is socialism.

 

[TNHarley]

The only people that shoudl control an employees pay is he and his employer.
Its none of our fucking business what they make. If they think its worth it to make 7.25 then fuck em. Not like there isnt plenty of jobs out there.
Some people dont care about them and their families, so why should i?

why any taxes at all, right wingers? they slow venture capital growth.

Taxes pay for govt service. It shoudl only be basic govt service like its SUPPOSED to be.. but alas. We have bedwetters that cant wipe their own ass.

 

[danielpalos]

The government is not responsible to give you a 'living wage". More socialist speak.

why not?

 

[danielpalos]

The only people that shoudl control an employees pay is he and his employer.
Its none of our fucking business what they make. If they think its worth it to make 7.25 then fuck em. Not like there isnt plenty of jobs out there.
Some people dont care about them and their families, so why should i?

why any taxes at all, right wingers? they slow venture capital growth.

Taxes pay for govt service. It shoudl only be basic govt service like its SUPPOSED to be.. but alas. We have bedwetters that cant wipe their own ass.

we have a Constitution, why not follow it.

 

[TNHarley]

The only people that shoudl control an employees pay is he and his employer.
Its none of our fucking business what they make. If they think its worth it to make 7.25 then fuck em. Not like there isnt plenty of jobs out there.
Some people dont care about them and their families, so why should i?

why any taxes at all, right wingers? they slow venture capital growth.

Taxes pay for govt service. It shoudl only be basic govt service like its SUPPOSED to be.. but alas. We have bedwetters that cant wipe their own ass.

we have a Constitution, why not follow it.

That was my argument, dumbass.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The reason people are poor is because they are bad with money.

 

[danielpalos]

Then start a business, learn a trade and become a free agent, or find an employer who pays more.

IOW, quit yer bitchin', get up off your ass and do something.

No, like all losers he wants it given to him. Doesn't want to work hard, doesn't want to put any extra effort in, no, they just want it free. Can you imagine a big company with a lot of workers like that? A recipe for failure.

natural rights are an externality to the right wing; except for propaganda purposes.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The only people that shoudl control an employees pay is he and his employer.
Its none of our fucking business what they make. If they think its worth it to make 7.25 then fuck em. Not like there isnt plenty of jobs out there.
Some people dont care about them and their families, so why should i?

why any taxes at all, right wingers? they slow venture capital growth.

Article 1, Section 8.

 

[danielpalos]

The only people that shoudl control an employees pay is he and his employer.
Its none of our fucking business what they make. If they think its worth it to make 7.25 then fuck em. Not like there isnt plenty of jobs out there.
Some people dont care about them and their families, so why should i?

why any taxes at all, right wingers? they slow venture capital growth.

Article 1, Section 8.

The power to provide for the general welfare is General, not major, specific or common.

 

[Oddball]

What "natural right" are you talking about?

The "natural right" that ticks have, to suck blood out of their hosts.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The government is not responsible to give you a 'living wage". More socialist speak.

why not?

You must first state why they are, and the Constitutional mandate for them to be so.

 

[danielpalos]

Then start a business, learn a trade and become a free agent, or find an employer who pays more.

IOW, quit yer bitchin', get up off your ass and do something.

not moral enough to care about natural rights, right winger?

What "natural right" are you talking about?

equal protection of the law, and individual liberty.

 

[danielpalos]

The only people that shoudl control an employees pay is he and his employer.
Its none of our fucking business what they make. If they think its worth it to make 7.25 then fuck em. Not like there isnt plenty of jobs out there.
Some people dont care about them and their families, so why should i?

why any taxes at all, right wingers? they slow venture capital growth.

Taxes pay for govt service. It shoudl only be basic govt service like its SUPPOSED to be.. but alas. We have bedwetters that cant wipe their own ass.

we have a Constitution, why not follow it.

That was my argument, dumbass.

my argument is better.

 

[danielpalos]

The reason people are poor is because they are bad with money.

lol. Tax cut economics are Worthless.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[BS Filter]

The government is not responsible to give you a 'living wage". More socialist speak.

why not?

Because we are a capitalist nation, and our form of government isn't socialist.

 

[TNHarley]

The only people that shoudl control an employees pay is he and his employer.
Its none of our fucking business what they make. If they think its worth it to make 7.25 then fuck em. Not like there isnt plenty of jobs out there.
Some people dont care about them and their families, so why should i?

why any taxes at all, right wingers? they slow venture capital growth.

Taxes pay for govt service. It shoudl only be basic govt service like its SUPPOSED to be.. but alas. We have bedwetters that cant wipe their own ass.

we have a Constitution, why not follow it.

That was my argument, dumbass.

my argument is better.

You are like a mentally retarded 11 year old. Good gawd almighty

 

[danielpalos]

The government is not responsible to give you a 'living wage". More socialist speak.

why not?

You must first state why they are, and the Constitutional mandate for them to be so.

Congress has the Power to Tax to solve the problems of our republic.

 

[BS Filter]

Then start a business, learn a trade and become a free agent, or find an employer who pays more.

IOW, quit yer bitchin', get up off your ass and do something.

not moral enough to care about natural rights, right winger?

What "natural right" are you talking about?

equal protection of the law, and individual liberty.

But you don't believe in individual liberty. You believe in being a subject.