Minimum Wage Increase: They Never Talks About the SALES

Spot On. Unemployment and prices of goods go up and down. But the Minimum Wage has little to no impact on that. There is no evidence whatsoever showing raising the Minimum Wage significantly effects the economy.

We have more Millionaires & Billionaires in America today than we've ever had in our history. The economy can and will support raising the Minimum Wage. Period, end of story.

Yes, yes. We've been over just how minimum wage laws benefit the rich. The question is whether minimum wage laws benefit the poor.

Like i said, i seriously doubt you greedy fat white Republicans care whether or not it does. But once again, the sky won't fall. You guys will be proven wrong. But that won't stop you from screeching 'Sky is Falling' Bullshit the next time it's raised too. You would think you guys would be tired of being so wrong so often. It's bizarre.

Again with the cut-n-paste. You know I'm not a republican, and that I don't support greedy corporations. Indeed - I see them behind the fraud you're supporting. But you won't acknowledge that. You simply fall back on canned insults that don't even apply to me.

That, unfortunately, isn't bizarre. Or unusual. It's par for the course. And utter bullshit.

Oh yeah. Most of these big corporations are going to make billions off of raising the minimum wage, because it's the small mom&pop stores that don't have the capital to compete. The mom&pop shop doesn't have the money to pay for kiosks. McDonald's does.

So the mom&pop shop will have to jack up their prices, while McDonald does not. Customers go for the cheaper option, and McDonalds makes billions more, as the competition is weeded out.

Every time these leftwingers babbles about sticking it to the 'rich fat white people'... I find that hilliarious, because it's themselves who are sticking rich fat white people with their money. They are the ones who make the rich richer, and poor poorer.

That ship already sailed. Corporations own you and your Government. The good ole mom & pop days are gone. The Corporations can afford to pay an American Worker a survivable wage. And they will.
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
 
Think that those who are against higher minimum wage would be okay with getting paid minimum wage? I don't think congress deserves getting paid minimum wage. Founding fathers would start another revolution against congress wages.
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
 
the Federal minimum wage should be the minimum wage it takes for 1 person who works a full day, 5 days a week of giving his labor to the employer, to survive minimally....if prices have to go up to accommodate this minimum moral requirement in the few industries that overwhelmingly pay minimum wage, then so be it....prices may have to be higher in a very small sector of our industries to do such, so that the employers can make the profit they feel they need...

States can and do have the ability to make their minimum wages higher to accommodate for their higher costs of living in their own States....
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
 
Think that those who are against higher minimum wage would be okay with getting paid minimum wage? I don't think congress deserves getting paid minimum wage. Founding fathers would start another revolution against congress wages.
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
I don't care if you work for free, but I do object to cons making others live in poverty. if you want to live in a banana republic, move to Mexico.
 
Think that those who are against higher minimum wage would be okay with getting paid minimum wage? I don't think congress deserves getting paid minimum wage. Founding fathers would start another revolution against congress wages.
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
I don't care if you work for free, but I do object to cons making others live in poverty. if you want to live in a banana republic, move to Mexico.
Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
 
That's fine if you really believe that, but understand that means a ton of low-skill labor will be unemployed.

McDonald's will move to automation, as they have been doing in other countries.... and the rest will be closed. The unemployment will sky rocket just like it did in 2008, and the economy will suffer.

It will solve the illegal immigration problem, so I'll grant you that.

(ever notice the double standard by these mindless leftists? They demand evidence. We give them evidence. They make a counter claim, and we demand evidence. Their response? "you lie"... That's 'evidence' in leftist world)
one thing you are wrong on Andi and Loki... is unemployment DID NOT IN ANY WAY, sky rocket in 2008 due to the minimum wage. hike.
I haven't been been wrong about anything I've claimed. Yet you cannot be right about your actions until you validate your premises.

If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?

I'm sorry Loki, but you have been wrong on indicating that the minimum wage hike is what caused unemployment to go up in 2008/2009 and posting the graph of the economies unemployment rate with a chart showing the boom in unemployment and 'saying' this was due to the minimum wage hike....that is utterly ridiculous....can't you see that your premise on this is WRONG, WRONG and WRONG?

Small employers were given a 10 yr tax break, written in to the minimum wage hike bill, to cover the hikes in minimum wage for their employees....this does not expire until 2017...

And as far as the American Saloma and raising their minimum wage and killing their Tuna industry, you are correct....this island is not America and should have never been raised with our Minimum wage....

BUT GUESS WHAT? This was due to REPUBLICANS who INSISTED that they be included in the min wage hike as well...so it was the Republicans who made certain of killing the American Salmoa tuna industry as they pointed fingers at Pelosi of favoritism for NOT including them originally in the min wage hike bill...God bless those little suckers, NOT.

Legislative history
The act was a component of the new Democratic majority's 100-Hour Plan in the United States House of Representatives. It was introduced into the House on January 5, 2007, by George Miller (D-CA) and it was passed by the House on January 10. All 233 House Democrats voted "Aye," and 82 Republicans joined them. 116 Republican representatives voted "No," and 4 representatives did not vote. President Bush advised that the bill should include tax cuts for small businesses that could be harmed by the wage increase, and on January 24, 2007, a cloture motion in the Senate failed as 43 Republican Senators (all but 5) rejected the bill without the tax cuts, opposing all 47 Democrats who were present for the vote. Once tax cuts were added to the bill, the Senate passed the amended bill 94-3 (3 Republicans opposed and 1 did not vote; 2 Democrats did not vote) on February 1, 2007.

The act initially did not amend the Fair Labor Standards Act in regards to American Samoa—its minimum wage would have continued to be set by a committee appointed by the U.S. Department of Labor until changes were made to the act.[2][3] After accusations by Republican lawmakers that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was unethical because Del Monte (parent company of StarKist Tuna which owns one of the two tuna canneries in Samoa) is based in her district, she instructed a House committee to have Samoa be included. Samoa's representative Eni Faleomavaega noted that the territory has not been subject to the mainland minimum wage and said, "...the global tuna industry is so competitive that it is no longer possible for the federal government to demand mainland minimum wage rates for American Samoa without causing the collapse of our economy...".[4]

Final passage
The minimum wage was passed by the House and the Senate on May 24, 2007 as part of HR 2206, the supplemental aid to the Iraq War. As part of the deal, $257 million worth of tax breaks were given to small business over a 10-year period to offset the wage increase.[5] The bill was thus ultimately enacted as a rider to the U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. President George W. Bush signed the bill on the next day.[6]

Proposed amendments
Omissions
The minimum wage increase did not change the tip credit for tipped employees. Originally, it was automatically increased by being pegged to a percentage of the regular minimum wage. However, that changed during the 1990s. The federal tip credit, therefore, remains at $2.13. However, as even tipped employees are subject to the higher of State or Federal wage by law tipped staff effectively benefit from the minimum wage increase just the same.[8][9]
Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

See this is how flame wars start, right here. Because how am I supposed to respond intelligently, to the mindless incoherent babbling you just spewed on here?

Did you read your own post? Here is exactly what you said..........

1. You are wrong to say the minimum wage caused unemployment to go up.
2. The minimum wage did cause unemployment to go up in American Somoa.
3. But the Republicans voted for it.

You contradicted your own post, IN THE VERY POST. And then.... as if it makes the slightest difference... say it's the Republicans fault.

When you say stuff this moronic, it makes me think I'm trying to teach quantum physics to Forest Gump. What's the point? If you can't even make one post that doesn't clearly and directly contradict itself, why should any of us talk to you about ANYTHING? I wouldn't waste my time talking to you about the weather

Gumpette: "Clear and sunny other than the huricane that passed through, but the Republicans voted against Amtrak spending, so it's their fault".

Get a clue sister..... I don't care about Republicans. I'm not here to defend some group of politicians. I'd vote THEM ALL OUT. I'm against BAD ECONOMIC POLICY. I don't care who supports bad economic policy, I'm against the bad policy.

So we have shown clear unambiguous evidence of a direct correlation between the raising of the minimum wage, and the rise of unemployment. We have clear direct cause-effect evidence of the the minimum wage in American Somoa. We have evidence from people who actually run the businesses that the minimum wage affects, and it's related consequences.

You.... have nothing.... NOT A THING, other than a post which contradicts itself, and tries to shift blame.

Now if you want to remain ignorant and stupid, by all means. The rest of us who use information to make rational conclusions, are convinced. You ahve nothing. We have tons of evidence. You have hearsay, and contradictions. We have clear correlations.

Now if you want to add some PROOF of your claims instead of "I said it, therefore it is", by all means, show us your evidence, and we will examine it. But just saying "Your wrong, because you must be, because my political ideology says you must be", is not enough for thinking rational people. Sorry.
First tell me what you base your comment that I was responding to on, show me the facts that the raise in the minimum wage caused unemployment to skyrocket in 2008 as you claimed.

Can you show that it was the minimum wage hike in July of 2008 that caused the unemployment in our country to skyrocket, or was it the the GREATEST Recession we have ever had in our History due to the Housing Bust/crash that began in 2007 and the Stock market/Wall street crash in mid to late 2008?

the reason the American Salmoa was brought up ...was because it was given as an example of a min wage hike that did cause an industry to fail....not here in the USA, but in a foreign country....and it was specifically due to Republicans FORCING them to raise the minimum wage in this foreign country that we control, to the level of what American's get paid in the USA.

(it was too much of a hike for this foreign country which relied on one single industry for the entire economy all at once with no tax help like the USA small businesses got )

As noted, small businesses in the USA were given a 10 year tax reprieve/subsidy to cover the minimum wage hike....

Again........ we have given numerous examples, including American Somoa, which clearly show that the minimum wage causes unemployment.

Doesn't matter that it's another country. Makes absolutely no difference at all. Doesn't matter who forced them, anymore than who forced my local Wendy's to increase their wages. Do you think the local store owners is sitting there going "Oh wait, this is America, so the fundamental of economics don't apply! I can pay people $100/hr and still make a profit!".

It doesn't matter if you are in Uganda, or Peru, or Ohio. If you raise the cost of labor... less labor will be purchased.

The tax 'reprieve/subsidy' doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant.

I mow lawns. My customers pay me $30 per lawn. It costs me $10 for fuel and maintenance on the mowers per lawn. You raise the minimum wage, so it costs me $25 in labor to mow a lawn.

There is no tax deduction, no tax incentive, no tax subsidy, no tax reprieve in the world, that is going to make my business profitable again. None. It will never happen. No tax law on the planet is going to make that business viable again.

The value of the labor.... must be HIGHER than the cost of the labor. If you artificially raise the cost of labor, above the value of the labor, then it doesn't mean diddly jack squat what tax legislation you pass. Your tax blaw blaw blaw, does not have any value whatsoever.

We have presented you with numerous examples and evidence, supporting the concept the minimum wage causes job loss.


We have done it. You just arbitrarily decided "that's not evidence, because I said so".

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Leftard: That's not evidence!

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Leftard: That's not evidence!

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Leftard: That's not evidence because it's another country!

No, they are all evidence. Then you add in the statements from business owners, which have been linked to on here, talking about the effects of minimum wage on their small business... and that too is evidence.

We have posted documentation, facts, figures, evidence, all throughout this entire thread.

Then you say "where is your proof?" We've given it to you. We've done our part. You prove it wrong, or shut up.
 
Spot On. Unemployment and prices of goods go up and down. But the Minimum Wage has little to no impact on that. There is no evidence whatsoever showing raising the Minimum Wage significantly effects the economy.

We have more Millionaires & Billionaires in America today than we've ever had in our history. The economy can and will support raising the Minimum Wage. Period, end of story.

Yes, yes. We've been over just how minimum wage laws benefit the rich. The question is whether minimum wage laws benefit the poor.

Like i said, i seriously doubt you greedy fat white Republicans care whether or not it does. But once again, the sky won't fall. You guys will be proven wrong. But that won't stop you from screeching 'Sky is Falling' Bullshit the next time it's raised too. You would think you guys would be tired of being so wrong so often. It's bizarre.

Again with the cut-n-paste. You know I'm not a republican, and that I don't support greedy corporations. Indeed - I see them behind the fraud you're supporting. But you won't acknowledge that. You simply fall back on canned insults that don't even apply to me.

That, unfortunately, isn't bizarre. Or unusual. It's par for the course. And utter bullshit.

Oh yeah. Most of these big corporations are going to make billions off of raising the minimum wage, because it's the small mom&pop stores that don't have the capital to compete. The mom&pop shop doesn't have the money to pay for kiosks. McDonald's does.

So the mom&pop shop will have to jack up their prices, while McDonald does not. Customers go for the cheaper option, and McDonalds makes billions more, as the competition is weeded out.

Every time these leftwingers babbles about sticking it to the 'rich fat white people'... I find that hilliarious, because it's themselves who are sticking rich fat white people with their money. They are the ones who make the rich richer, and poor poorer.

That ship already sailed. Corporations own you and your Government. The good ole mom & pop days are gone. The Corporations can afford to pay an American Worker a survivable wage. And they will.
So, do you mind kindly changing you handle to "Uncle Tom"?
 
If I wish to accept wages below the level you deem proper, upon what moral authority do you declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do you deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do you deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

You fat greedy old white Republican dudes have had it very well for many many years. Better than anyone else has. So now you gotta give a little back. Oh well, deal with it.

You're doing a good thing. I mean, when's the last time you guys did any good for anyone other than yourselves? So you'll pay workers a survivable wage now. It's about time.
Now the real motivations, envy and revenge, come to light.

Yup. Y'all deserve it. Now just shut up, and pay up. Life isn't fair. Deal with it.

It'll be a shame when a hike causes low skilled idiots like you to lose their jobs. Maybe you could whine some more?

Uh yeah, we already covered that lie. You guys have predicted the sky falling over Minimum Wage numerous times in the past. It didn't happen then, and it won't happen now. Man, don't you guys ever get tired of being wrong?

And the real shame is, you greedy wankers hoping & wishing for fellow Americans to lose their jobs. Your hateful comment summed you wankers up perfectly. I don't need to say anything more. You said it all.

I never predicted the sky would fall. I predicted more business failures and more unskilled unemployment. The best thing we could do to help our low skilled citizens, even the whiners like you, is to seal the border and deport the millions of illegals competing for those few jobs you are qualified for.
 
the Federal minimum wage should be the minimum wage it takes for 1 person who works a full day, 5 days a week of giving his labor to the employer, to survive minimally....if prices have to go up to accommodate this minimum moral requirement in the few industries that overwhelmingly pay minimum wage, then so be it....prices may have to be higher in a very small sector of our industries to do such, so that the employers can make the profit they feel they need...

States can and do have the ability to make their minimum wages higher to accommodate for their higher costs of living in their own States....

Says Who?

Where is it ever written that one 5 day 40 hour work week has to be enough for anyone to pay all their living expenses?
 
Think that those who are against higher minimum wage would be okay with getting paid minimum wage? I don't think congress deserves getting paid minimum wage. Founding fathers would start another revolution against congress wages.
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
I don't care if you work for free, but I do object to cons making others live in poverty. if you want to live in a banana republic, move to Mexico.

No one is forcing anyone to live in poverty.

Funny I worked for MW when I moved out of my mother's house at 17 and I managed to pay rent keep a car on the road go to school and eat 3 meals a day.

I just worked as much as I had to to earn the money I needed to pay my bills.

WHy is it you think that only one 40 hour a week job is all one should have to work in order to pay their bills?
 
Think that those who are against higher minimum wage would be okay with getting paid minimum wage? I don't think congress deserves getting paid minimum wage. Founding fathers would start another revolution against congress wages.
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
I don't care if you work for free, but I do object to cons making others live in poverty. if you want to live in a banana republic, move to Mexico.

No one is forcing anyone to live in poverty.

Funny I worked for MW when I moved out of my mother's house at 17 and I managed to pay rent keep a car on the road go to school and eat 3 meals a day.

I just worked as much as I had to to earn the money I needed to pay my bills.

WHy is it you think that only one 40 hour a week job is all one should have to work in order to pay their bills?

Let's be clear about what these laws really do. They fly under the populist pretense that they force employers to pay employees more. But we've seen that they don't. What they really do is prevent potential employees from offering their services for less.

That's right, mw laws are essentially anti-competitive measures that prevent those most in need from competing with more privileged workers. People who, for whatever reasons, have less education, less skill, or a generally less impressive "resume" are told that they can't legally compete for work with the only thing they have left: price. They're forced to either work off-the-books, our go on welfare.

This isn't by accident. Those in control of our government benefit from maintaining a perpetually dependent underclass. It's the modern replacement for slavery.
 
Think that those who are against higher minimum wage would be okay with getting paid minimum wage? I don't think congress deserves getting paid minimum wage. Founding fathers would start another revolution against congress wages.
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
I don't care if you work for free, but I do object to cons making others live in poverty. if you want to live in a banana republic, move to Mexico.

No one is forcing anyone to live in poverty.

Funny I worked for MW when I moved out of my mother's house at 17 and I managed to pay rent keep a car on the road go to school and eat 3 meals a day.

I just worked as much as I had to to earn the money I needed to pay my bills.

WHy is it you think that only one 40 hour a week job is all one should have to work in order to pay their bills?

Let's be clear about what these laws really do. They fly under the populist pretense that they force employers to pay employees more. But we've seen that they don't. What they really do is prevent potential employees from offering their services for less.

That's right, mw laws are essentially anti-competitive measures that prevent those most in need from competing with more privileged workers. People who, for whatever reasons, have less education, less skill, or a generally less impressive "resume" are told that they can't legally compete for work with the only thing they have left: price. They're forced to either work off-the-books, our go on welfare.

This isn't by accident. Those in control of our government benefit from maintaining a perpetually dependent underclass. It's the modern replacement for slavery.
FTW!
 
the Federal minimum wage should be the minimum wage it takes for 1 person who works a full day, 5 days a week of giving his labor to the employer, to survive minimally....if prices have to go up to accommodate this minimum moral requirement in the few industries that overwhelmingly pay minimum wage, then so be it....prices may have to be higher in a very small sector of our industries to do such, so that the employers can make the profit they feel they need...

States can and do have the ability to make their minimum wages higher to accommodate for their higher costs of living in their own States....

Says Who?

Where is it ever written that one 5 day 40 hour work week has to be enough for anyone to pay all their living expenses?

Yeah, I've never understood that, even as a concept, because there is no set definition of what "living expenses" means.

Do it mean food and shelter? Because I know people who worked for $4.25 an hour, and were able to pay their 'living expenses'.

Does it mean food shelter, and a cheap car? And internet? And cable TV? And Cell phone? With a data plan? And vacation twice a year? And ... and ... and ... and ... and.......

Again, I knew this guy back in the 90s, who was an immigrant, and worked for $5.25 an hour. He paid for an apartment, and food, and his wife didn't work, and had two kids. They did just fine.

I myself, worked a year where I earned only $12K for the entire year. Did I go to movies, or out to eat? Nope. Was it 'fun'? Nope. But, it paid all my bills. That wage paid my 'living expenses'.

See this is where the problem is.... your living expenses are determined by YOU. You control what your living expenses are.

Your wage doesn't matter. It really honestly doesn't.

Remember Michael Jackson? This is the guy, that at the 1993 Superbowl, stood.... just stood still... for 73 seconds. Not doing anything. They paid him so much, that that they calculated it out, that he made $8 Million dollars for 73 seconds.... of nothing.

In 1988, he made $247 Million dollars, in just that one year.

$306 Milllion (2015 dollars), from the release of Thriller. Just... Thriller.

The most accurate estimates we have, is that MJ made just under about $2 Billion dollars in his life time. (2015 dollars).

And yet... at the end of his life, he was $500 Million in debt.

I guess the concert halls didn't pay him enough. We should raise the minimum wage to $1 Billion a show.

It's not the wage. You can live on very little. It's a matter of choice. If you want to live on more, then get a skill or ability to earns you more.

But paying your living expenses, is a personal problem, not a wage problem.
 
Think that those who are against higher minimum wage would be okay with getting paid minimum wage? I don't think congress deserves getting paid minimum wage. Founding fathers would start another revolution against congress wages.
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
I don't care if you work for free, but I do object to cons making others live in poverty. if you want to live in a banana republic, move to Mexico.

No one is forcing anyone to live in poverty.

Funny I worked for MW when I moved out of my mother's house at 17 and I managed to pay rent keep a car on the road go to school and eat 3 meals a day.

I just worked as much as I had to to earn the money I needed to pay my bills.

WHy is it you think that only one 40 hour a week job is all one should have to work in order to pay their bills?
When minimum wage is below the poverty level, it's forcing all those making that wage live in poverty. Your shit don't flush.
 
Think that those who are against higher minimum wage would be okay with getting paid minimum wage? I don't think congress deserves getting paid minimum wage. Founding fathers would start another revolution against congress wages.
If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
I don't care if you work for free, but I do object to cons making others live in poverty. if you want to live in a banana republic, move to Mexico.

No one is forcing anyone to live in poverty.

Funny I worked for MW when I moved out of my mother's house at 17 and I managed to pay rent keep a car on the road go to school and eat 3 meals a day.

I just worked as much as I had to to earn the money I needed to pay my bills.

WHy is it you think that only one 40 hour a week job is all one should have to work in order to pay their bills?
When minimum wage is below the poverty level, it's forcing all those making that wage live in poverty. Your shit don't flush.

A rich teenager living in a million dollar home is forced to live in poverty unless the minimum wage is raised to the point that he can support a family with his burger flipping job?
 
Angry greedy white Republican dudes crack me up. They've been the most privileged among us for centuries in this country. Yet they constantly bitch & moan when others less fortunate, catch a break once and awhile.

They'll even attempt to play the 'poor victim.' Their hate & greed consumes them. But i don't get angry at em anymore. I actually just laugh at em now. They're going extinct. Their day is coming to an end. The People don't want their hate & greed. They're movin on.
 
No. You all present rationalizations for basing wages on anything but what the work is worth, but NOT ONCE have you explained why a workerscwages should not simply be based upon what the worker's work is worth.

Who is talking about NOT paying?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

No one is pointing a gun at people and forcing them to work.

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

If I wish to accept wages below the level you deem proper, upon what moral authority do you declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do you deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do you deny me that employment?

Answer me Cupcake.

No. Apparently that is YOUR call.

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

Stop whining and just do the work yourself. Don't hire any workers. We'll see how far that gets you. Good luck.
If I wish to accept wages below the level you deem proper, upon what moral authority do you declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do you deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do you deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

You fat greedy old white Republican dudes have had it very well for many many years. Better than anyone else has. So now you gotta give a little back. Oh well, deal with it.

You're doing a good thing. I mean, when's the last time you guys did any good for anyone other than yourselves? So you'll pay workers a survivable wage now. It's about time.
Now the real motivations, envy and revenge, come to light.

Yup. Y'all deserve it. Now just shut up, and pay up. Life isn't fair. Deal with it.
You do realize, don't you, that the wealthy will simply take their marbles and go home? You don't seem to grasp the obvious, that the wealthy are not going to sit there and let you take what they have earned. Businesses will not operate at a loss, unless the owners anticipate a future gain from doing so. Make labor too expensive, and they'll just shut down, leaving everyone out of work. Like I keep saying, if raising the MW doesn't cost any jobs, we would just raise it to $100/hr and make everyone rich.
 
Angry greedy white Republican dudes crack me up. They've been the most privileged among us for centuries in this country. Yet they constantly bitch & moan when others less fortunate, catch a break once and awhile.

They'll even attempt to play the 'poor victim.' Their hate & greed consumes them. But i don't get angry at em anymore. I actually just laugh at em now. They're going extinct. Their day is coming to an end. The People don't want their hate & greed. They're movin on.

Shouldn't you be dropping some hash browns into the fryer?
 
the Federal minimum wage should be the minimum wage it takes for 1 person who works a full day, 5 days a week of giving his labor to the employer, to survive minimally....if prices have to go up to accommodate this minimum moral requirement in the few industries that overwhelmingly pay minimum wage, then so be it....prices may have to be higher in a very small sector of our industries to do such, so that the employers can make the profit they feel they need...

States can and do have the ability to make their minimum wages higher to accommodate for their higher costs of living in their own States....

Says Who?

Where is it ever written that one 5 day 40 hour work week has to be enough for anyone to pay all their living expenses?
That is the flip side of the MW argument, is it not? A MW implies a maximum amount of work, beyond which no one is expected to go.
 
You lie. Any business that fails due to Minimum Wage, should fail. Wasn't meant to be. But that's not the workers' fault. That's all on the failed business owner.

That's fine if you really believe that, but understand that means a ton of low-skill labor will be unemployed.

McDonald's will move to automation, as they have been doing in other countries.... and the rest will be closed. The unemployment will sky rocket just like it did in 2008, and the economy will suffer.

It will solve the illegal immigration problem, so I'll grant you that.

(ever notice the double standard by these mindless leftists? They demand evidence. We give them evidence. They make a counter claim, and we demand evidence. Their response? "you lie"... That's 'evidence' in leftist world)
one thing you are wrong on Andi and Loki... is unemployment DID NOT IN ANY WAY, sky rocket in 2008 due to the minimum wage. hike.
I haven't been been wrong about anything I've claimed. Yet you cannot be right about your actions until you validate your premises.

If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?
I'm sorry Loki, but you have been wrong on indicating that the minimum wage hike is what caused unemployment to go up in 2008/2009 and posting the graph of the economies unemployment rate with a chart showing the boom in unemployment and 'saying' this was due to the minimum wage hike....that is utterly ridiculous....can't you see that your premise on this is WRONG, WRONG and WRONG?

Small employers were given a 10 yr tax break, written in to the minimum wage hike bill, to cover the hikes in minimum wage for their employees....this does not expire until 2017...

And as far as the American Saloma and raising their minimum wage and killing their Tuna industry, you are correct....this island is not America and should have never been raised with our Minimum wage....

BUT GUESS WHAT? This was due to REPUBLICANS who INSISTED that they be included in the min wage hike as well...so it was the Republicans who made certain of killing the American Salmoa tuna industry as they pointed fingers at Pelosi of favoritism for NOT including them originally in the min wage hike bill...God bless those little suckers, NOT.

Legislative history
The act was a component of the new Democratic majority's 100-Hour Plan in the United States House of Representatives. It was introduced into the House on January 5, 2007, by George Miller (D-CA) and it was passed by the House on January 10. All 233 House Democrats voted "Aye," and 82 Republicans joined them. 116 Republican representatives voted "No," and 4 representatives did not vote. President Bush advised that the bill should include tax cuts for small businesses that could be harmed by the wage increase, and on January 24, 2007, a cloture motion in the Senate failed as 43 Republican Senators (all but 5) rejected the bill without the tax cuts, opposing all 47 Democrats who were present for the vote. Once tax cuts were added to the bill, the Senate passed the amended bill 94-3 (3 Republicans opposed and 1 did not vote; 2 Democrats did not vote) on February 1, 2007.

The act initially did not amend the Fair Labor Standards Act in regards to American Samoa—its minimum wage would have continued to be set by a committee appointed by the U.S. Department of Labor until changes were made to the act.[2][3] After accusations by Republican lawmakers that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was unethical because Del Monte (parent company of StarKist Tuna which owns one of the two tuna canneries in Samoa) is based in her district, she instructed a House committee to have Samoa be included. Samoa's representative Eni Faleomavaega noted that the territory has not been subject to the mainland minimum wage and said, "...the global tuna industry is so competitive that it is no longer possible for the federal government to demand mainland minimum wage rates for American Samoa without causing the collapse of our economy...".[4]

Final passage
The minimum wage was passed by the House and the Senate on May 24, 2007 as part of HR 2206, the supplemental aid to the Iraq War. As part of the deal, $257 million worth of tax breaks were given to small business over a 10-year period to offset the wage increase.[5] The bill was thus ultimately enacted as a rider to the U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. President George W. Bush signed the bill on the next day.[6]

Proposed amendments
Omissions
The minimum wage increase did not change the tip credit for tipped employees. Originally, it was automatically increased by being pegged to a percentage of the regular minimum wage. However, that changed during the 1990s. The federal tip credit, therefore, remains at $2.13. However, as even tipped employees are subject to the higher of State or Federal wage by law tipped staff effectively benefit from the minimum wage increase just the same.[8][9]
Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
I haven't been been wrong about anything I've claimed. Yet you cannot be right about your actions until you validate your premises.

If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?

The economy's doing fine. But even if it wasn't, Minimum Wage wouldn't be the cause. It never has been, and it never will be. As always, you guys will proven wrong again. We'll still have plenty of Millionaires & Billionaires in this country. Bet on that.
 
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