Minimum Wage Increase: They Never Talks About the SALES

[dblack]

IOW, don't create new jobs because they are too expensive, which is exactly what we've been saying all along. There's your impact of raising the MW. Business owners look at the cost and decide they don't want to pay it.

Business owners don't hire workers because they want to.

Correct. They hire workers because the work those workers do makes the company more money than the cost of hiring that worker. Cost is much more than just what's in the paycheck, BTW. If the employer is forced to pay that worker more than the value of his work, he won't get hired.

I guess it's just a matter of the deeper meaning of "want". I mean, they want to make money, and the workers help them do that. So it seems to me they want to. The point is, they're not forced to. Just as employees aren't forced to take a job, despite claims to the contrary.

 

[Andylusion]

Yet you 'Sky is Falling' whiners have yet to present even one example of a business going under due to the Minimum Wage. So, once again you'll be proven wrong. Just like all the other times you predicted the sky falling over the Minimum Wage. You guys just don't have the credibility to make such predictions.

Legendary Palace

Borderlands Books

Zpizza

Chicken of the Sea, American Samoa

The evidence for the negative impact of the minimum wage is massive. Hundreds of examples. But the left hide themselves in an echo chamber, and pretend nothing outside their tiny little world exists.

It s the Final Nail to the Coffin Chinatown Businesses Struggle Over Oakland s New Minimum Wage NBC Bay Area

By the way, I had to point this one out. The minimum wage went from $9.25 to $12.50.

That's only about $6,000 a year that the employee would see in higher pay.

But.... Notice what the business man said. The cost of labor, would increase on the business by $10,000 per employee. We've been saying this over and over. The cost to employees is massively more than the flat wage.

You left-wing fruits have added on cost after cost, and then you wonder why business isn't hiring more, why more jobs are not created? Why is this business is closing, and laying off all it's employees who will now earn the real minimum wage of zero?

This is why. You idiots are the cause.

Ha, i'll bet anything none of those businesses cited, went under due to the Minimum Wage. Absolute Bullshite.

"Prove" it, Cupcake.

You lie. Any business that fails due to Minimum Wage, should fail. Wasn't meant to be. But that's not the workers' fault. That's all on the failed business owner.

That's fine if you really believe that, but understand that means a ton of low-skill labor will be unemployed.

McDonald's will move to automation, as they have been doing in other countries.... and the rest will be closed. The unemployment will sky rocket just like it did in 2008, and the economy will suffer.

It will solve the illegal immigration problem, so I'll grant you that.

(ever notice the double standard by these mindless leftists? They demand evidence. We give them evidence. They make a counter claim, and we demand evidence. Their response? "you lie"... That's 'evidence' in leftist world)

 

[Skull Pilot]

Which brings up racism. That's right; the minimum wage is racist. In this country minimum wage means being white is worth no less than $7.25/hr. How does this work? Like this: If 2 prospective employees--one black, one white, but otherwise equal--apply for a minimum wage job, Mr. AryanFront employer can hire white guy with a crew cut and golf shirt at no financial cost--none. He doesn't even have to worry about his competitors picking up the aspiring black worker for less, because they too have to pay him $7.25/hr. If this black worker were allowed to contract his labor for $5.00/hr, or $7.24 even, choosing the white guy would cost RacistJackass $2.25/hr (or $0.01 depending). Moreover, his competitors, if not racist, have the opportunity to hire the black worker at a cost advantage.

If you think this is not the case, you should check out how the white dominated unions in apartheid South Africa complained that the lack of minimum wage regulations led employers to hire cheap black laborers over better trained and better paid white folks. Which, coincidentally was exactly the same argument (check the congressional record) used by Robert Bacon when he wrote the Davis-Bacon Act (the first minmum wage law) in response to Southern contractors bringing black labor to a federal project in his Long Island district; a labor regulation which forces contractors engaged in government contracts to pay employees union wage scale (unions, which incidently were, at the time, usually exclusively white); effectively barring Southern blacks and immigrants from working on plush, government funded construction projects.

Minimum wage doesn't neccessarily have to be racist; on it's best day, minimum wage is only a state sponsored protection for older, higher paid workers from the competition of anyone who would accept less pay for the same work. The surprise for me was that though I understood that minimum wage and Davis-Bacon were, in observable and measurable effect, racist policies--I just had no idea that they were racist in intent.

So why is it that proponents for statutory minimum wage object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what the worker's work is worth? Why won't they explain their objection to us? Why don't they tell us the reason for refusing to explain their objection?

Maybe the answer is that they're racists. Maybe the're just ashamed to be outed so. Seems legit.

Angry greedy white Republican dudes are just plain ole assholes. Who cares if a McDonalds worker gets $15? Good for them. All the bitchin & moanin coming from the angry white dudes is ridiculous. Get a life for God's sake.

Entitled whiny libs want to be paid top dollar even when they have ZERO skills and can be replaced in about 10 seconds

Why don't all you burger baggers aspire to bigger and better things?

That's especially hilarious coming from entitled fat greedy old white Republican dude. No one in this country is more entitled than you. So quit your bitchin and pay up.

Sorry little sheep but I am not a republican.

And no one ever gave me anything. I worked 2 and 3 jobs at a time right through my 30s. I paid my own bills and never sucked onthe public tit.

I risked everything we had to start a business 10 years ago and I do mean everything if we failed we would have been sleeping in our car.

So yeah I have a problem with whiny fucks like you who do absolutely nothing to improve themselves who risk nothing and yet cry that they deserve more.

If you want more get off your acre wide ass and get it yourself.

It's you folks who are doing all the whining. You don't wanna pay, don't hire workers. Do the work yourself. Problem solved. Case closed.

I pay my people more than you'll ever make.

Like I said no one in my employ gets less than 15 an hour but they have skills unlike you.

 

[danielpalos]

IOW, don't create new jobs because they are too expensive, which is exactly what we've been saying all along. There's your impact of raising the MW. Business owners look at the cost and decide they don't want to pay it.

Business owners don't hire workers because they want to.

Correct. They hire workers because the work those workers do makes the company more money than the cost of hiring that worker. Cost is much more than just what's in the paycheck, BTW. If the employer is forced to pay that worker more than the value of his work, he won't get hired.

I guess it's just a matter of the deeper meaning of "want". I mean, they want to make money, and the workers help them do that. So it seems to me they want to. The point is, they're not forced to. Just as employees aren't forced to take a job, despite claims to the contrary.

Are employers denied benefits for not hiring anyone who needs a job a job for benefits purposes?

 

[Andylusion]

IOW, don't create new jobs because they are too expensive, which is exactly what we've been saying all along. There's your impact of raising the MW. Business owners look at the cost and decide they don't want to pay it.

Business owners don't hire workers because they want to.

Well, sometimes they do.

But regardless of the base motivation, there is a fundamental over-riding factor that determines if they hire an employee or not.

No business owner will ever, for any reason, hiring an outside employee... unless.... they believe they will gain a higher revenue, than it will cost in the higher. In short...... unless they believe they will profit from the hire.

If you mow lawns, and you have work backed up for weeks, do you hire an employee to help mow lawns, or just plow through it yourself?

Answer: Depends.

If you believe you can hire someone for a wage that is lower, than the additional revenue into the business from the additional labor... then yes.

But.... if you find that cost of the wage to pay that employee is greater than the amount of revenue you would collect from his work, then the answer is no.

The leftist myth, is that business owners will always hire people "because they have to". The theory is that because there is work to do, therefore the business owner must hire someone. So we can make the minimum wage, whatever we want, and business owners simply must hire people, because there is work to do.

But that isn't how life works. paulitician, sounds exactly like James Taggart in Atlas Shrugged. When James was confronted by Henry Rearend, the CEO of the company, with the fact the according to the rules James Taggart imposed, could no longer run the business, Henry asked "How long do you expect me to be able to produce at a loss?"

To which James responds "Oh, you'll do something!"

This is exactly the depth of thought the left has on this thread.

Those store owners will just keep hiring people even thought the cost of labor makes it unprofitable to hire, because they have to. How will they keep their stores open operating at a loss? "oh they'll do something".

 

[paulitician]

Already been explained numerous times.

No. You all present rationalizations for basing wages on anything but what the work is worth, but NOT ONCE have you explained why a workerscwages should not simply be based upon what the worker's work is worth.

So, you either pay, or just do the work yourself.

Who is talking about NOT paying?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

No one's pointing a gun to your head forcing you to hire workers.

No one is pointing a gun at people and forcing them to work.

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

If I wish to accept wages below the level you deem proper, upon what moral authority do you declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do you deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do you deny me that employment?

Answer me Cupcake.

That's your call.

No. Apparently that is YOUR call.

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

Stop whining and just do the work yourself. Don't hire any workers. We'll see how far that gets you. Good luck.

If I wish to accept wages below the level you deem proper, upon what moral authority do you declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do you deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do you deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

You fat greedy old white Republican dudes have had it very well for many many years. Better than anyone else has. So now you gotta give a little back. Oh well, deal with it.

You're doing a good thing. I mean, when's the last time you guys did any good for anyone other than yourselves? So you'll pay workers a survivable wage now. It's about time.

Now the real motivations, envy and revenge, come to light.

Yup. Y'all deserve it. Now just shut up, and pay up. Life isn't fair. Deal with it.

 

[paulitician]

Legendary Palace

Borderlands Books

Zpizza

Chicken of the Sea, American Samoa

The evidence for the negative impact of the minimum wage is massive. Hundreds of examples. But the left hide themselves in an echo chamber, and pretend nothing outside their tiny little world exists.

It s the Final Nail to the Coffin Chinatown Businesses Struggle Over Oakland s New Minimum Wage NBC Bay Area

By the way, I had to point this one out. The minimum wage went from $9.25 to $12.50.

That's only about $6,000 a year that the employee would see in higher pay.

But.... Notice what the business man said. The cost of labor, would increase on the business by $10,000 per employee. We've been saying this over and over. The cost to employees is massively more than the flat wage.

You left-wing fruits have added on cost after cost, and then you wonder why business isn't hiring more, why more jobs are not created? Why is this business is closing, and laying off all it's employees who will now earn the real minimum wage of zero?

This is why. You idiots are the cause.

Ha, i'll bet anything none of those businesses cited, went under due to the Minimum Wage. Absolute Bullshite.

"Prove" it, Cupcake.

You lie. Any business that fails due to Minimum Wage, should fail. Wasn't meant to be. But that's not the workers' fault. That's all on the failed business owner.

That's fine if you really believe that, but understand that means a ton of low-skill labor will be unemployed.

McDonald's will move to automation, as they have been doing in other countries.... and the rest will be closed. The unemployment will sky rocket just like it did in 2008, and the economy will suffer.

It will solve the illegal immigration problem, so I'll grant you that.

(ever notice the double standard by these mindless leftists? They demand evidence. We give them evidence. They make a counter claim, and we demand evidence. Their response? "you lie"... That's 'evidence' in leftist world)

You do lie. You still haven't presented a shred of evidence showing any business going under due to the Minimum Wage. Sorry, i just call it like i see it.

 

[paulitician]

Angry greedy white Republican dudes are just plain ole assholes. Who cares if a McDonalds worker gets $15? Good for them. All the bitchin & moanin coming from the angry white dudes is ridiculous. Get a life for God's sake.

Entitled whiny libs want to be paid top dollar even when they have ZERO skills and can be replaced in about 10 seconds

Why don't all you burger baggers aspire to bigger and better things?

That's especially hilarious coming from entitled fat greedy old white Republican dude. No one in this country is more entitled than you. So quit your bitchin and pay up.

Sorry little sheep but I am not a republican.

And no one ever gave me anything. I worked 2 and 3 jobs at a time right through my 30s. I paid my own bills and never sucked onthe public tit.

I risked everything we had to start a business 10 years ago and I do mean everything if we failed we would have been sleeping in our car.

So yeah I have a problem with whiny fucks like you who do absolutely nothing to improve themselves who risk nothing and yet cry that they deserve more.

If you want more get off your acre wide ass and get it yourself.

It's you folks who are doing all the whining. You don't wanna pay, don't hire workers. Do the work yourself. Problem solved. Case closed.

I pay my people more than you'll ever make.

Like I said no one in my employ gets less than 15 an hour but they have skills unlike you.

Cool. Quit yer bitchin.

 

[paulitician]

Minimum Wage isn't to blame. They are. They failed. That's all on them.

And when a business that currently nets $1000 a month has to raise wages by $2000 a month, idiots like you will still claim no business goes under because of the minimum wage. Because you're an idiot.

Maybe they can refuse service to more customers to cut costs?

Firing idiots like you would be a better idea.

Well then quit your bitching and go for it. Do the work yourself. No one forced you to hire workers.

And no one forced the workers to take the jobs. But you want to government to prevent them from doing so. Seems fucked up to me.

Ha, now you greedy fat white Republicans gotta pay up. It's actually hilarious watching your meltdowns over it. Oh well, too bad for you. Deal with it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Entitled whiny libs want to be paid top dollar even when they have ZERO skills and can be replaced in about 10 seconds

Why don't all you burger baggers aspire to bigger and better things?

That's especially hilarious coming from entitled fat greedy old white Republican dude. No one in this country is more entitled than you. So quit your bitchin and pay up.

Sorry little sheep but I am not a republican.

And no one ever gave me anything. I worked 2 and 3 jobs at a time right through my 30s. I paid my own bills and never sucked onthe public tit.

I risked everything we had to start a business 10 years ago and I do mean everything if we failed we would have been sleeping in our car.

So yeah I have a problem with whiny fucks like you who do absolutely nothing to improve themselves who risk nothing and yet cry that they deserve more.

If you want more get off your acre wide ass and get it yourself.

It's you folks who are doing all the whining. You don't wanna pay, don't hire workers. Do the work yourself. Problem solved. Case closed.

I pay my people more than you'll ever make.

Like I said no one in my employ gets less than 15 an hour but they have skills unlike you.

Cool. Quit yer bitchin.

you're the one whining here not me

 

[LOki]

The evidence for the negative impact of the minimum wage is massive. Hundreds of examples. But the left hide themselves in an echo chamber, and pretend nothing outside their tiny little world exists.

It s the Final Nail to the Coffin Chinatown Businesses Struggle Over Oakland s New Minimum Wage NBC Bay Area

By the way, I had to point this one out. The minimum wage went from $9.25 to $12.50.

That's only about $6,000 a year that the employee would see in higher pay.

But.... Notice what the business man said. The cost of labor, would increase on the business by $10,000 per employee. We've been saying this over and over. The cost to employees is massively more than the flat wage.

You left-wing fruits have added on cost after cost, and then you wonder why business isn't hiring more, why more jobs are not created? Why is this business is closing, and laying off all it's employees who will now earn the real minimum wage of zero?

This is why. You idiots are the cause.

Ha, i'll bet anything none of those businesses cited, went under due to the Minimum Wage. Absolute Bullshite.

"Prove" it, Cupcake.

You lie. Any business that fails due to Minimum Wage, should fail. Wasn't meant to be. But that's not the workers' fault. That's all on the failed business owner.

That's fine if you really believe that, but understand that means a ton of low-skill labor will be unemployed.

McDonald's will move to automation, as they have been doing in other countries.... and the rest will be closed. The unemployment will sky rocket just like it did in 2008, and the economy will suffer.

It will solve the illegal immigration problem, so I'll grant you that.

(ever notice the double standard by these mindless leftists? They demand evidence. We give them evidence. They make a counter claim, and we demand evidence. Their response? "you lie"... That's 'evidence' in leftist world)

You do lie. You still haven't presented a shred of evidence showing any business going under due to the Minimum Wage. Sorry, i just call it like i see it.

You see only what you believe... you have been presented with PLENTY of evidence, and you respond ONLY with " I don't see it"--obtuse denial of reality.

You are truly superstitious--you are belong to the congregation of the church of omnipresent authoritarian government-- you are a true believer. No one here is questioning your faith.

But it's long past time you came around proper, Pumpkin.

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth? If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

We all notice that you're silent on the subject. Ashamed of your honest answer?

 

[dblack]

And when a business that currently nets $1000 a month has to raise wages by $2000 a month, idiots like you will still claim no business goes under because of the minimum wage. Because you're an idiot.

Maybe they can refuse service to more customers to cut costs?

Firing idiots like you would be a better idea.

Well then quit your bitching and go for it. Do the work yourself. No one forced you to hire workers.

And no one forced the workers to take the jobs. But you want to government to prevent them from doing so. Seems fucked up to me.

Ha, now you greedy fat white Republicans gotta pay up. It's actually hilarious watching your meltdowns over it. Oh well, too bad for you. Deal with it.

Me?

Again, I don't think you're even reading the posts you're responding to. Or typing for that matter. Is this just cut-n-paste bot spamming?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No. You all present rationalizations for basing wages on anything but what the work is worth, but NOT ONCE have you explained why a workerscwages should not simply be based upon what the worker's work is worth.

Who is talking about NOT paying?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

No one is pointing a gun at people and forcing them to work.

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

If I wish to accept wages below the level you deem proper, upon what moral authority do you declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do you deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do you deny me that employment?

Answer me Cupcake.

No. Apparently that is YOUR call.

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

Stop whining and just do the work yourself. Don't hire any workers. We'll see how far that gets you. Good luck.

If I wish to accept wages below the level you deem proper, upon what moral authority do you declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do you deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do you deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

You fat greedy old white Republican dudes have had it very well for many many years. Better than anyone else has. So now you gotta give a little back. Oh well, deal with it.

You're doing a good thing. I mean, when's the last time you guys did any good for anyone other than yourselves? So you'll pay workers a survivable wage now. It's about time.

Now the real motivations, envy and revenge, come to light.

Yup. Y'all deserve it. Now just shut up, and pay up. Life isn't fair. Deal with it.

It'll be a shame when a hike causes low skilled idiots like you to lose their jobs. Maybe you could whine some more?

 

[Andylusion]

The evidence for the negative impact of the minimum wage is massive. Hundreds of examples. But the left hide themselves in an echo chamber, and pretend nothing outside their tiny little world exists.

It s the Final Nail to the Coffin Chinatown Businesses Struggle Over Oakland s New Minimum Wage NBC Bay Area

By the way, I had to point this one out. The minimum wage went from $9.25 to $12.50.

That's only about $6,000 a year that the employee would see in higher pay.

But.... Notice what the business man said. The cost of labor, would increase on the business by $10,000 per employee. We've been saying this over and over. The cost to employees is massively more than the flat wage.

You left-wing fruits have added on cost after cost, and then you wonder why business isn't hiring more, why more jobs are not created? Why is this business is closing, and laying off all it's employees who will now earn the real minimum wage of zero?

This is why. You idiots are the cause.

Ha, i'll bet anything none of those businesses cited, went under due to the Minimum Wage. Absolute Bullshite.

"Prove" it, Cupcake.

You lie. Any business that fails due to Minimum Wage, should fail. Wasn't meant to be. But that's not the workers' fault. That's all on the failed business owner.

That's fine if you really believe that, but understand that means a ton of low-skill labor will be unemployed.

McDonald's will move to automation, as they have been doing in other countries.... and the rest will be closed. The unemployment will sky rocket just like it did in 2008, and the economy will suffer.

It will solve the illegal immigration problem, so I'll grant you that.

(ever notice the double standard by these mindless leftists? They demand evidence. We give them evidence. They make a counter claim, and we demand evidence. Their response? "you lie"... That's 'evidence' in leftist world)

You do lie. You still haven't presented a shred of evidence showing any business going under due to the Minimum Wage. Sorry, i just call it like i see it.

In leftist world, the answer is "always".

 

[Andylusion]

And when a business that currently nets $1000 a month has to raise wages by $2000 a month, idiots like you will still claim no business goes under because of the minimum wage. Because you're an idiot.

Maybe they can refuse service to more customers to cut costs?

Firing idiots like you would be a better idea.

Well then quit your bitching and go for it. Do the work yourself. No one forced you to hire workers.

And no one forced the workers to take the jobs. But you want to government to prevent them from doing so. Seems fucked up to me.

Ha, now you greedy fat white Republicans gotta pay up. It's actually hilarious watching your meltdowns over it. Oh well, too bad for you. Deal with it.

lol... dude, it's not going to effect me. It's the low skilled workers who will be unemployed.

I'm against it because it will harm them.. But... push comes to shove.... I'm making my money off of kiosks that replace them. I'll be fine! Trust me.

 

[Care4all]

Legendary Palace

Borderlands Books

Zpizza

Chicken of the Sea, American Samoa

The evidence for the negative impact of the minimum wage is massive. Hundreds of examples. But the left hide themselves in an echo chamber, and pretend nothing outside their tiny little world exists.

It s the Final Nail to the Coffin Chinatown Businesses Struggle Over Oakland s New Minimum Wage NBC Bay Area

By the way, I had to point this one out. The minimum wage went from $9.25 to $12.50.

That's only about $6,000 a year that the employee would see in higher pay.

But.... Notice what the business man said. The cost of labor, would increase on the business by $10,000 per employee. We've been saying this over and over. The cost to employees is massively more than the flat wage.

You left-wing fruits have added on cost after cost, and then you wonder why business isn't hiring more, why more jobs are not created? Why is this business is closing, and laying off all it's employees who will now earn the real minimum wage of zero?

This is why. You idiots are the cause.

Ha, i'll bet anything none of those businesses cited, went under due to the Minimum Wage. Absolute Bullshite.

"Prove" it, Cupcake.

You lie. Any business that fails due to Minimum Wage, should fail. Wasn't meant to be. But that's not the workers' fault. That's all on the failed business owner.

That's fine if you really believe that, but understand that means a ton of low-skill labor will be unemployed.

McDonald's will move to automation, as they have been doing in other countries.... and the rest will be closed. The unemployment will sky rocket just like it did in 2008, and the economy will suffer.

It will solve the illegal immigration problem, so I'll grant you that.

(ever notice the double standard by these mindless leftists? They demand evidence. We give them evidence. They make a counter claim, and we demand evidence. Their response? "you lie"... That's 'evidence' in leftist world)

one thing you are wrong on Andi and Loki... is unemployment DID NOT IN ANY WAY, sky rocket in 2008 due to the minimum wage. hike.

 

[LOki]

The evidence for the negative impact of the minimum wage is massive. Hundreds of examples. But the left hide themselves in an echo chamber, and pretend nothing outside their tiny little world exists.

It s the Final Nail to the Coffin Chinatown Businesses Struggle Over Oakland s New Minimum Wage NBC Bay Area

By the way, I had to point this one out. The minimum wage went from $9.25 to $12.50.

That's only about $6,000 a year that the employee would see in higher pay.

But.... Notice what the business man said. The cost of labor, would increase on the business by $10,000 per employee. We've been saying this over and over. The cost to employees is massively more than the flat wage.

You left-wing fruits have added on cost after cost, and then you wonder why business isn't hiring more, why more jobs are not created? Why is this business is closing, and laying off all it's employees who will now earn the real minimum wage of zero?

This is why. You idiots are the cause.

Ha, i'll bet anything none of those businesses cited, went under due to the Minimum Wage. Absolute Bullshite.

"Prove" it, Cupcake.

You lie. Any business that fails due to Minimum Wage, should fail. Wasn't meant to be. But that's not the workers' fault. That's all on the failed business owner.

That's fine if you really believe that, but understand that means a ton of low-skill labor will be unemployed.

McDonald's will move to automation, as they have been doing in other countries.... and the rest will be closed. The unemployment will sky rocket just like it did in 2008, and the economy will suffer.

It will solve the illegal immigration problem, so I'll grant you that.

(ever notice the double standard by these mindless leftists? They demand evidence. We give them evidence. They make a counter claim, and we demand evidence. Their response? "you lie"... That's 'evidence' in leftist world)

one thing you are wrong on Andi and Loki... is unemployment DID NOT IN ANY WAY, sky rocket in 2008 due to the minimum wage. hike.

I haven't been been wrong about anything I've claimed. Yet you cannot be right about your actions until you validate your premises.

If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?

 

[Care4all]

Ha, i'll bet anything none of those businesses cited, went under due to the Minimum Wage. Absolute Bullshite.

"Prove" it, Cupcake.

You lie. Any business that fails due to Minimum Wage, should fail. Wasn't meant to be. But that's not the workers' fault. That's all on the failed business owner.

That's fine if you really believe that, but understand that means a ton of low-skill labor will be unemployed.

McDonald's will move to automation, as they have been doing in other countries.... and the rest will be closed. The unemployment will sky rocket just like it did in 2008, and the economy will suffer.

It will solve the illegal immigration problem, so I'll grant you that.

(ever notice the double standard by these mindless leftists? They demand evidence. We give them evidence. They make a counter claim, and we demand evidence. Their response? "you lie"... That's 'evidence' in leftist world)

one thing you are wrong on Andi and Loki... is unemployment DID NOT IN ANY WAY, sky rocket in 2008 due to the minimum wage. hike.

I haven't been been wrong about anything I've claimed. Yet you cannot be right about your actions until you validate your premises.

If I wish to accept wages below the level YOU deem proper, upon what moral authority do YOU declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do YOU deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?

I'm sorry Loki, but you have been wrong on indicating that the minimum wage hike is what caused unemployment to go up in 2008/2009 and posting the graph of the economies unemployment rate with a chart showing the boom in unemployment and 'saying' this was due to the minimum wage hike....that is utterly ridiculous....can't you see that your premise on this is WRONG, WRONG and WRONG?

Small employers were given a 10 yr tax break, written in to the minimum wage hike bill, to cover the hikes in minimum wage for their employees....this does not expire until 2017...

And as far as the American Saloma and raising their minimum wage and killing their Tuna industry, you are correct....this island is not America and should have never been raised with our Minimum wage....

BUT GUESS WHAT? This was due to REPUBLICANS who INSISTED that they be included in the min wage hike as well...so it was the Republicans who made certain of killing the American Salmoa tuna industry as they pointed fingers at Pelosi of favoritism for NOT including them originally in the min wage hike bill...God bless those little suckers, NOT.

Legislative history
The act was a component of the new Democratic majority's 100-Hour Plan in the United States House of Representatives. It was introduced into the House on January 5, 2007, by George Miller (D-CA) and it was passed by the House on January 10. All 233 House Democrats voted "Aye," and 82 Republicans joined them. 116 Republican representatives voted "No," and 4 representatives did not vote. President Bush advised that the bill should include tax cuts for small businesses that could be harmed by the wage increase, and on January 24, 2007, a cloture motion in the Senate failed as 43 Republican Senators (all but 5) rejected the bill without the tax cuts, opposing all 47 Democrats who were present for the vote. Once tax cuts were added to the bill, the Senate passed the amended bill 94-3 (3 Republicans opposed and 1 did not vote; 2 Democrats did not vote) on February 1, 2007.

The act initially did not amend the Fair Labor Standards Act in regards to American Samoa—its minimum wage would have continued to be set by a committee appointed by the U.S. Department of Labor until changes were made to the act.[2][3] After accusations by Republican lawmakers that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was unethical because Del Monte (parent company of StarKist Tuna which owns one of the two tuna canneries in Samoa) is based in her district, she instructed a House committee to have Samoa be included. Samoa's representative Eni Faleomavaega noted that the territory has not been subject to the mainland minimum wage and said, "...the global tuna industry is so competitive that it is no longer possible for the federal government to demand mainland minimum wage rates for American Samoa without causing the collapse of our economy...".[4]

Final passage
The minimum wage was passed by the House and the Senate on May 24, 2007 as part of HR 2206, the supplemental aid to the Iraq War. As part of the deal, $257 million worth of tax breaks were given to small business over a 10-year period to offset the wage increase.[5] The bill was thus ultimately enacted as a rider to the U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. President George W. Bush signed the bill on the next day.[6]

Proposed amendments

• The bill S. 256, To amend Public Law 93–435 with respect to the Northern Mariana Islands, providing parity with Guam, the Virgin Islands, and American Samoa (S. 256; 113th Congress), is a bill that was introduced into the 113th United States Congress. S. 256 would amend the Fair Minimum Wage Act to provide for no Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands minimum wage increases in 2013 and 2015.[7]

Omissions
The minimum wage increase did not change the tip credit for tipped employees. Originally, it was automatically increased by being pegged to a percentage of the regular minimum wage. However, that changed during the 1990s. The federal tip credit, therefore, remains at $2.13. However, as even tipped employees are subject to the higher of State or Federal wage by law tipped staff effectively benefit from the minimum wage increase just the same.[8][9]

Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[paulitician]

Stop whining and just do the work yourself. Don't hire any workers. We'll see how far that gets you. Good luck.

If I wish to accept wages below the level you deem proper, upon what moral authority do you declare it illegal for me to accept such wages? Upon what moral authority do you deny someone else my services? Upon what moral authority do you deny me that employment?

Upon what moral authority do YOU decide for OTHERS what their work (either offered or performed is worth?

You fat greedy old white Republican dudes have had it very well for many many years. Better than anyone else has. So now you gotta give a little back. Oh well, deal with it.

You're doing a good thing. I mean, when's the last time you guys did any good for anyone other than yourselves? So you'll pay workers a survivable wage now. It's about time.

Now the real motivations, envy and revenge, come to light.

Yup. Y'all deserve it. Now just shut up, and pay up. Life isn't fair. Deal with it.

It'll be a shame when a hike causes low skilled idiots like you to lose their jobs. Maybe you could whine some more?

Uh yeah, we already covered that lie. You guys have predicted the sky falling over Minimum Wage numerous times in the past. It didn't happen then, and it won't happen now. Man, don't you guys ever get tired of being wrong?

And the real shame is, you greedy wankers hoping & wishing for fellow Americans to lose their jobs. Your hateful comment summed you wankers up perfectly. I don't need to say anything more. You said it all.

 

[paulitician]

Maybe they can refuse service to more customers to cut costs?

Firing idiots like you would be a better idea.

Well then quit your bitching and go for it. Do the work yourself. No one forced you to hire workers.

And no one forced the workers to take the jobs. But you want to government to prevent them from doing so. Seems fucked up to me.

Ha, now you greedy fat white Republicans gotta pay up. It's actually hilarious watching your meltdowns over it. Oh well, too bad for you. Deal with it.

lol... dude, it's not going to effect me. It's the low skilled workers who will be unemployed.

I'm against it because it will harm them.. But... push comes to shove.... I'm making my money off of kiosks that replace them. I'll be fine! Trust me.

Yeah, we're supposed to believe you greedy fat white Republican idiots actually care about struggling workers. Sorry, no one's buying that bullshit. You're just terrified you may have to pay them a survivable wage. It is what it is.