Millions will die and we will be far less great because of loserterianism

[ding]

Why isn't it right or fair?

It's why people first moved to America. To escape that kind of society. Your way would produce a small rich class, small merchant class and large poor class called the rabble.

You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

And you want to cut social security by 30%.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

Seriously? That is your answer? Ok, I'll play along.

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

What exactly does that prove? Because I believe it means that we had better values back then than we do now. Values like virtue and accountability. Was your father an accountable man or did he blame things on others as you do? was your father a virtuous man? Or did he cheat, steal and lie?

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

You mean like being accountable and virtuous? I don't cheat, steal or lie. I treat others with respect. I am compassionate , caring and giving. I don't blame others for my failures. I am accountable and learn from my mistakes. I don't rationalize my sins. Yes, that is working out very well for me. I have several million in the bank and have no debt. I have reaped what I have sown.

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

I actually love my job and going to work. I could retire tomorrow if I wanted to but prefer to keep working. I have reaped what I have sown.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Is it really a surprise that someone who works harder and saves his money is better prepared than someone who does not? Do you really believe people who succeed are lucky or cheated? Is that what your father did? Is that what your brother did? You have a serious external locus of control to believe as you do. Adapt, improvise overcome. Stop waiting for your government to save you. They won't.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

My way does work. It is your way that doesn't work. How is it not fair to reap what you sow?

Don't expect us non millionaires to want to go along with what you millionaires think is fair. You don't even have a clue as to how you grew up in a society that allowed you to become a millionaire, and now you want to make it harder for the people today.

Millionaires think they were born in the house they built with their own two hands.

What have I done that is unfair?

 

[ding]

Why isn't it right or fair?

It's why people first moved to America. To escape that kind of society. Your way would produce a small rich class, small merchant class and large poor class called the rabble.

You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

And you want to cut social security by 30%.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

Seriously? That is your answer? Ok, I'll play along.

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

What exactly does that prove? Because I believe it means that we had better values back then than we do now. Values like virtue and accountability. Was your father an accountable man or did he blame things on others as you do? was your father a virtuous man? Or did he cheat, steal and lie?

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

You mean like being accountable and virtuous? I don't cheat, steal or lie. I treat others with respect. I am compassionate , caring and giving. I don't blame others for my failures. I am accountable and learn from my mistakes. I don't rationalize my sins. Yes, that is working out very well for me. I have several million in the bank and have no debt. I have reaped what I have sown.

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

I actually love my job and going to work. I could retire tomorrow if I wanted to but prefer to keep working. I have reaped what I have sown.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Is it really a surprise that someone who works harder and saves his money is better prepared than someone who does not? Do you really believe people who succeed are lucky or cheated? Is that what your father did? Is that what your brother did? You have a serious external locus of control to believe as you do. Adapt, improvise overcome. Stop waiting for your government to save you. They won't.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

My way does work. It is your way that doesn't work. How is it not fair to reap what you sow?

Millionaires survey: Go ahead, tax us more!

How will taxing the rich make you richer?

 

[sealybobo]

It's why people first moved to America. To escape that kind of society. Your way would produce a small rich class, small merchant class and large poor class called the rabble.

You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

And you want to cut social security by 30%.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

Seriously? That is your answer? Ok, I'll play along.

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

What exactly does that prove? Because I believe it means that we had better values back then than we do now. Values like virtue and accountability. Was your father an accountable man or did he blame things on others as you do? was your father a virtuous man? Or did he cheat, steal and lie?

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

You mean like being accountable and virtuous? I don't cheat, steal or lie. I treat others with respect. I am compassionate , caring and giving. I don't blame others for my failures. I am accountable and learn from my mistakes. I don't rationalize my sins. Yes, that is working out very well for me. I have several million in the bank and have no debt. I have reaped what I have sown.

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

I actually love my job and going to work. I could retire tomorrow if I wanted to but prefer to keep working. I have reaped what I have sown.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Is it really a surprise that someone who works harder and saves his money is better prepared than someone who does not? Do you really believe people who succeed are lucky or cheated? Is that what your father did? Is that what your brother did? You have a serious external locus of control to believe as you do. Adapt, improvise overcome. Stop waiting for your government to save you. They won't.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

My way does work. It is your way that doesn't work. How is it not fair to reap what you sow?

Millionaires survey: Go ahead, tax us more!

How will taxing the rich make you richer?

Economies allocate income and wealth, which creates winners and losers. That’s OK; that’s what economies do. The challenge is finding the right balance.

Can We Fix Income Inequality? | The Huffington Post

Every economy has rules. The notion of “free markets” is a myth. Lobbyists are always helping businesses gain special advantages. For example, our tariffs block cheap sugar imports to help sugar plantation owners. If we have excessive inequality, it’s because our economic rules allow or encourage it. If we want to shift the balance of winners and losers, then the rules must change.

 

[sealybobo]

It's why people first moved to America. To escape that kind of society. Your way would produce a small rich class, small merchant class and large poor class called the rabble.

You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

And you want to cut social security by 30%.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

Seriously? That is your answer? Ok, I'll play along.

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

What exactly does that prove? Because I believe it means that we had better values back then than we do now. Values like virtue and accountability. Was your father an accountable man or did he blame things on others as you do? was your father a virtuous man? Or did he cheat, steal and lie?

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

You mean like being accountable and virtuous? I don't cheat, steal or lie. I treat others with respect. I am compassionate , caring and giving. I don't blame others for my failures. I am accountable and learn from my mistakes. I don't rationalize my sins. Yes, that is working out very well for me. I have several million in the bank and have no debt. I have reaped what I have sown.

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

I actually love my job and going to work. I could retire tomorrow if I wanted to but prefer to keep working. I have reaped what I have sown.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Is it really a surprise that someone who works harder and saves his money is better prepared than someone who does not? Do you really believe people who succeed are lucky or cheated? Is that what your father did? Is that what your brother did? You have a serious external locus of control to believe as you do. Adapt, improvise overcome. Stop waiting for your government to save you. They won't.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

My way does work. It is your way that doesn't work. How is it not fair to reap what you sow?

Don't expect us non millionaires to want to go along with what you millionaires think is fair. You don't even have a clue as to how you grew up in a society that allowed you to become a millionaire, and now you want to make it harder for the people today.

Millionaires think they were born in the house they built with their own two hands.

What have I done that is unfair?

You've voted for people who would make college more expensive for the next generation.

Remember I'm not arguing for me. I'm arguing for society. Stop saying I want what you have because I am you. Minus about $400K of course.

 

[sealybobo]

It's why people first moved to America. To escape that kind of society. Your way would produce a small rich class, small merchant class and large poor class called the rabble.

You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

And you want to cut social security by 30%.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

Seriously? That is your answer? Ok, I'll play along.

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

What exactly does that prove? Because I believe it means that we had better values back then than we do now. Values like virtue and accountability. Was your father an accountable man or did he blame things on others as you do? was your father a virtuous man? Or did he cheat, steal and lie?

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

You mean like being accountable and virtuous? I don't cheat, steal or lie. I treat others with respect. I am compassionate , caring and giving. I don't blame others for my failures. I am accountable and learn from my mistakes. I don't rationalize my sins. Yes, that is working out very well for me. I have several million in the bank and have no debt. I have reaped what I have sown.

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

I actually love my job and going to work. I could retire tomorrow if I wanted to but prefer to keep working. I have reaped what I have sown.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Is it really a surprise that someone who works harder and saves his money is better prepared than someone who does not? Do you really believe people who succeed are lucky or cheated? Is that what your father did? Is that what your brother did? You have a serious external locus of control to believe as you do. Adapt, improvise overcome. Stop waiting for your government to save you. They won't.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

My way does work. It is your way that doesn't work. How is it not fair to reap what you sow?

Today, we live in the richest country in the history of the world, but that reality means little because much of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals.

The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time.

On the Issues: Income and Wealth Inequality

Do you believe people have control over their own destiny? Or do you believe they are helpless?

Do you believe Mexicans have as much control over their destiny as us Americans do? Of course they don't.

And do you think we have as much control over our own destiny as we did 30 years ago? If you do then what is trump talking about when he says "make america great again"? Sounds like America was a better place in the past.

 

[P@triot]

No I will be fine in a dog eat dog every man for himself society. I just don't like that kind of society. I don't think it's right or "fair"

That is absolutely mind-boggling. It's not "fair" to leave everyone to fail or succeed on their own?!? It's more "fair" in your mind for government to pick the winners and losers?!? Do you even hear yourself before you post?

 

[P@triot]

It's why people first moved to America. To escape that kind of society. Your way would produce a small rich class, small merchant class and large poor class called the rabble.

My God....Dumbocrats continue to make up more and more outrageous "facts". People move to America for the exact opposite of what you are falsely claiming. They come to get away from government so they are free to do as they wish (and that includes free to fail every bit as much as it includes free to succeed).

The government in the U.S.S.R. picked the winners and losers. The people tried to get away from there and come here because we did the exact opposite. Now, you are attempting to bring that failed stupidity here.

 

[sealybobo]

No I will be fine in a dog eat dog every man for himself society. I just don't like that kind of society. I don't think it's right or "fair"

That is absolutely mind-boggling. It's not "fair" to leave everyone to fail or succeed on their own?!? It's more "fair" in your mind for government to pick the winners and losers?!? Do you even hear yourself before you post?

Yea, and I wonder if you live in a black and white world. No one is denying the stuff you are saying but you don't understand if we did it your way this country would have 70% failures. I'm sure you think you would do fine and you are willing to try it but your way won't work but I'm sure if you asked the 30% who made it in your system they would say it's fair.

And then they would have kids and if their kids weren't "exceptional" then they would fall into the group commonly referred to as "the rabble".

 

[sealybobo]

There's a reason we don't try it the Libertarian way.

 

[LaDexter]

A lot of Greeks used to agree....

until the "wonderful" liberals who made all their money disappear ran out of money to borrow to keep stealing...

BIG GOVERNMENT does NOT WORK for anyone except those in BIG GOVERNMENT making the money vanish...

The Beatles were right.

No to Chairman Mao
Liberals steal 19 for every 1 they spend on the "cause..."

 

[P@triot]

No I will be fine in a dog eat dog every man for himself society. I just don't like that kind of society. I don't think it's right or "fair"

That is absolutely mind-boggling. It's not "fair" to leave everyone to fail or succeed on their own?!? It's more "fair" in your mind for government to pick the winners and losers?!? Do you even hear yourself before you post?

Yea, and I wonder if you live in a black and white world. No one is denying the stuff you are saying but you don't understand if we did it your way this country would have 70% failures. I'm sure you think you would do fine and you are willing to try it but your way won't work but I'm sure if you asked the 30% who made it in your system they would say it's fair.

And then they would have kids and if their kids weren't "exceptional" then they would fall into the group commonly referred to as "the rabble".

Really? Is that what Bill Gates did? He was pretty "exceptional". Is that what Warren Buffett did? He was pretty "exceptional". Is that what Steve Jobs did? He was pretty "exceptional".

Do you know what those men did (and many more like them)? They gave billions aways to help the people you refer to as "rabble".

 

[sealybobo]

My policies don't "take" anything from anyone. My policies are all liberty and free market. Which means people earn whatever they have/get. If you're too stupid to keep what you have from wealthy people - then you're just too stupid. That's your own problem. Get smarter.

I couldn't agree more. It seems to me that Sealybobo needs to blame others for his failures.

No I will be fine in a dog eat dog every man for himself society. I just don't like that kind of society. I don't think it's right or "fair"

Why isn't it right or fair?

It's why people first moved to America. To escape that kind of society. Your way would produce a small rich class, small merchant class and large poor class called the rabble.

You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

Tell that to your buddies who all voted for Trump because they can't compete with China or illegal workers.

Come on! Can't they compete?

Ah, so then it does matter what kind of system you are under. If your system is every man for himself and no rules or regulations, then you would have to compete on a much bigger scale and against people who are smarter and will work for less. That's where we are going.

I enjoy talking to millionaires. They have a much different outlook on life and what is "fair".

But what you don't realize is you grew up in a much more fair society than we have today.

Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes

A new aristocracy is taking over not just the United States of America but also the world. ... This is more than just a tax cut story. It's about a fundamental shift in power and wealth from average people and the governments they had formed to represent them, to the capture of those governments and economic enslavement of their people by corporate aristocracies.

 

[Rustic]

Millions will die and we will be far less great because of loserterianism.
-Old people will lose their safetynet and find themselves dying on the side of the road. Most people within our nation that are over 50 are far more likely to currently be in debt. People that do work will spend the rest of their lives slaving away under a loserterian 19th century model. One that if they're not well off won't allow them to ever do better.

-People with health problems will lose their insurance and tens of thousands will die as they're told no. Please don't get sick if you made a mistake tuesday as our current government be it the federal or state government will become more cold hearted towards you. Wouldn't at all surprise me if the ER rules are changed so they can tell you no if you don't have a few hundred thousand bucks. You can fucking count on the corporations that run these hospitals to jack up rates to mind blowing levels...But, hell, if the government dares do anything about it = fascism..Don't you fucking know.

-The poor will become poorer and the rich will become richer. This is within the way of a central American shit hole and not so much like the current poor that can afford the niceties. This will become a fact for many reasons ranging from less education will being available for the lower classes, poorer food standards, less food and many of the problems of the third world starting to show up here in America. The rich will become richer as I believe anti-trust laws, unions and laws preventing dirty dealings by the part of corporations will also be phased out as loserterianism is about taking us back to the 19th century. Pretty much ugly for all but a few percent at the top.

-Education will become harder to get for the poor and some of the middle class as government aid will dry up. This will make the poor poorer and collapse our living standards as a nation. Many cities in the 18th and 19th century had two areas which were defined by class either super rich or super poor. The super poor areas were slums as people lived pretty much in their own shit and lived a lot like people do in current day Haiti or the poorer parts of India. The rich of course didn't give a damn about them and scuffed.

People that can afford private education will of course become richer and the poor poorer. This is just the sad facts of loserterianism. Education will become the definer that it once was as less people will have it.

-Monopolies will grow and shut out small businesses. As I said above such anti-trust laws will likely be phased out under losererianism and this will allow a few super powerful corporations to run everyone out of town as they did in the 1880s. This will be a huge part of the reason for the increase between the rich at the top and the poor on the bottom.

-Air, water and food quality within our country will slide to mexico or even China levels as Government deregulates. Cancer and food poisoning will become very real concerns within your lives. People will start watching their children die before they make it to adulthood and far worse diseases will start to reappear and rage through the country side as government won't raise a hand to stop it.

-Funding for research will dry up and allow for those diseases to do just that. Funding for warnings on extreme meteorological events from flash floods, hurricanes and tornadoes will be stripped to the bone and thousands of people will die once again as they once did during the 19th into the early portion of the 20th century.

-Roads will become toll roads and for profit. Once again if you're not well off = you're fucked. The few good roads that are tolls will also be taken advantage of by the riches within our society, while the poor that will make up the vast majority of this country in 20 years will have to use far shittier infrastructure.

-Loserterians for some reason will keep the drug war going and the for profit prisons...So don't you dare lite up you poor piece of shit. Don't you dare.

The socialism of the federal government is what's fucking everybody over… Dip shit

 

[ding]

You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

And you want to cut social security by 30%.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

Seriously? That is your answer? Ok, I'll play along.

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

What exactly does that prove? Because I believe it means that we had better values back then than we do now. Values like virtue and accountability. Was your father an accountable man or did he blame things on others as you do? was your father a virtuous man? Or did he cheat, steal and lie?

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

You mean like being accountable and virtuous? I don't cheat, steal or lie. I treat others with respect. I am compassionate , caring and giving. I don't blame others for my failures. I am accountable and learn from my mistakes. I don't rationalize my sins. Yes, that is working out very well for me. I have several million in the bank and have no debt. I have reaped what I have sown.

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

I actually love my job and going to work. I could retire tomorrow if I wanted to but prefer to keep working. I have reaped what I have sown.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Is it really a surprise that someone who works harder and saves his money is better prepared than someone who does not? Do you really believe people who succeed are lucky or cheated? Is that what your father did? Is that what your brother did? You have a serious external locus of control to believe as you do. Adapt, improvise overcome. Stop waiting for your government to save you. They won't.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

My way does work. It is your way that doesn't work. How is it not fair to reap what you sow?

Don't expect us non millionaires to want to go along with what you millionaires think is fair. You don't even have a clue as to how you grew up in a society that allowed you to become a millionaire, and now you want to make it harder for the people today.

Millionaires think they were born in the house they built with their own two hands.

What have I done that is unfair?

You've voted for people who would make college more expensive for the next generation.

Remember I'm not arguing for me. I'm arguing for society. Stop saying I want what you have because I am you. Minus about $400K of course.

Let me see if I understand you correctly, I have been unfair because of how I voted? Is that correct?

 

[ding]

You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

And you want to cut social security by 30%.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

Seriously? That is your answer? Ok, I'll play along.

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

What exactly does that prove? Because I believe it means that we had better values back then than we do now. Values like virtue and accountability. Was your father an accountable man or did he blame things on others as you do? was your father a virtuous man? Or did he cheat, steal and lie?

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

You mean like being accountable and virtuous? I don't cheat, steal or lie. I treat others with respect. I am compassionate , caring and giving. I don't blame others for my failures. I am accountable and learn from my mistakes. I don't rationalize my sins. Yes, that is working out very well for me. I have several million in the bank and have no debt. I have reaped what I have sown.

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

I actually love my job and going to work. I could retire tomorrow if I wanted to but prefer to keep working. I have reaped what I have sown.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Is it really a surprise that someone who works harder and saves his money is better prepared than someone who does not? Do you really believe people who succeed are lucky or cheated? Is that what your father did? Is that what your brother did? You have a serious external locus of control to believe as you do. Adapt, improvise overcome. Stop waiting for your government to save you. They won't.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

My way does work. It is your way that doesn't work. How is it not fair to reap what you sow?

Millionaires survey: Go ahead, tax us more!

How will taxing the rich make you richer?

Economies allocate income and wealth, which creates winners and losers. That’s OK; that’s what economies do. The challenge is finding the right balance.

Can We Fix Income Inequality? | The Huffington Post

Every economy has rules. The notion of “free markets” is a myth. Lobbyists are always helping businesses gain special advantages. For example, our tariffs block cheap sugar imports to help sugar plantation owners. If we have excessive inequality, it’s because our economic rules allow or encourage it. If we want to shift the balance of winners and losers, then the rules must change.

That didn't answer the question. How will taxing the rich make you richer?

 

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You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

And you want to cut social security by 30%.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

Seriously? That is your answer? Ok, I'll play along.

I saw how my way, where my father made a good living working for a union company, produced a middle class the world has never seen before.

What exactly does that prove? Because I believe it means that we had better values back then than we do now. Values like virtue and accountability. Was your father an accountable man or did he blame things on others as you do? was your father a virtuous man? Or did he cheat, steal and lie?

Today we do things more your way. How is it working out?

You mean like being accountable and virtuous? I don't cheat, steal or lie. I treat others with respect. I am compassionate , caring and giving. I don't blame others for my failures. I am accountable and learn from my mistakes. I don't rationalize my sins. Yes, that is working out very well for me. I have several million in the bank and have no debt. I have reaped what I have sown.

71 percent of Americans aren’t saving enough for retirement

I actually love my job and going to work. I could retire tomorrow if I wanted to but prefer to keep working. I have reaped what I have sown.

How do you think our economy will be when 70% of our seniors are broke? Maybe if they made more or had pensions the future wouldn't look so bleak to me.

Not all behaviors lead to equal outcomes. Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Is it really a surprise that someone who works harder and saves his money is better prepared than someone who does not? Do you really believe people who succeed are lucky or cheated? Is that what your father did? Is that what your brother did? You have a serious external locus of control to believe as you do. Adapt, improvise overcome. Stop waiting for your government to save you. They won't.

Its simple. I see your way doesn't work. And for a million reasons it's also not fair. For one thing, you and I made it in a different system. Who knows how you would have turned out if you grew up in an every man for himself society where school was unaffordable? Or who knows how your dad would have made it and then that would have impacted you. Or maybe you don't see that.

My way does work. It is your way that doesn't work. How is it not fair to reap what you sow?

Today, we live in the richest country in the history of the world, but that reality means little because much of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals.

The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time, it is the great economic issue of our time, and it is the great political issue of our time.

On the Issues: Income and Wealth Inequality

Do you believe people have control over their own destiny? Or do you believe they are helpless?

Do you believe Mexicans have as much control over their destiny as us Americans do? Of course they don't.

And do you think we have as much control over our own destiny as we did 30 years ago? If you do then what is trump talking about when he says "make america great again"? Sounds like America was a better place in the past.

So you are arguing that you don't have control over your destiny? Is that correct?

 

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I couldn't agree more. It seems to me that Sealybobo needs to blame others for his failures.

No I will be fine in a dog eat dog every man for himself society. I just don't like that kind of society. I don't think it's right or "fair"

Why isn't it right or fair?

It's why people first moved to America. To escape that kind of society. Your way would produce a small rich class, small merchant class and large poor class called the rabble.

You still didn't answer the question. Why isn't it right or fair? What is wrong about competition? Isn't that how it works in the natural world?

Tell that to your buddies who all voted for Trump because they can't compete with China or illegal workers.

Come on! Can't they compete?

Ah, so then it does matter what kind of system you are under. If your system is every man for himself and no rules or regulations, then you would have to compete on a much bigger scale and against people who are smarter and will work for less. That's where we are going.

I enjoy talking to millionaires. They have a much different outlook on life and what is "fair".

But what you don't realize is you grew up in a much more fair society than we have today.

Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes

A new aristocracy is taking over not just the United States of America but also the world. ... This is more than just a tax cut story. It's about a fundamental shift in power and wealth from average people and the governments they had formed to represent them, to the capture of those governments and economic enslavement of their people by corporate aristocracies.

You can't what I have done that was unfair, although you seem to still believe I have been unfair. You can't tell me if you control your own destiny, although it seems that you are saying you don't. And you can't tell me how taxing the rich will make you richer.

 

[Norman]

So you are thinking that "losertarians" are a worse problem than actual bed-wetting losers... the snowflakes who cry publicly because their favored presidential candidate didn't win.

Call me old fashioned, but I find actual losers a bigger problem than "losertarians" whatever that means. To be honest it kind of sounds like a term that a loser would use to hide his loserism.

 

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America will become a third world country with the super rich having it all.That is what removing all of the government out of our economy means.

Hopefully one day the poor will get tired of the beating and rise up once again as they did in the early 20th century.

Until then I hope all you stupid poor backwards hicks that voted for people like Ryan and the so called freedom caucus enjoys the nice rich ass fucking.

Matthew, would you like for the government to regulate wages, prices and profits like sealybobo?

 

[Norman]

America will become a third world country with the super rich having it all.That is what removing all of the government out of our economy means.

Hopefully one day the poor will get tired of the beating and rise up once again as they did in the early 20th century.

Until then I hope all you stupid poor backwards hicks that voted for people like Ryan and the so called freedom caucus enjoys the nice rich ass fucking.

Matthew, would you like for the government to regulate wages, prices and profits like sealybobo?

Of course, primarily he would like the government to regulate his wage upward. That seems to be his primary concern.

But fear not for the fate of Matthew, the government still has some new jobs in store. This time, rather than bullying people, at best trolling people online, you will get to actually accomplish something productive: