Mike Rowe answers a ladies question on Corona virus.

[Rev.Hellh0und]

I agree with him 100%:



Mike. In a recent post, you said you’ve been to Tennessee and Georgia, giving speeches and filming for your new show. Before that, you were on the road shooting for Dirty Jobs. Is it really so important to film a television show in the midst of pandemic? Is it responsible of you to encourage this kind of behavior when infection rates are spiking? Don’t you watch the news? More and more cases every day – aren’t you concerned?
Darlene Gabon

Hi Darlene
Of course, I’m concerned. I’m just not petrified.
On March 15th, the day after my part of the country was locked down, I posted a link to an interview with Dr. Michael Osterholm. I’m posting it again, because I believe you and everyone else in the country would benefit from listening carefully to what he has to say. https://bit.ly/2WLOM6o

Dr. Osterholm is the Director of Infectious Disease Research and Policy. This is the same epidemiologist who ten years ago, predicted a coronavirus would come from China and turn our country upside down. In his book “Deadliest Enemies,” he described the utterly irresponsible way in which the media would report on the situation, the completely opportunistic and shamelessly political way our leaders would likely react, and the unprecedented chaos and confusion that would arise from all the mixed messages from the medical community. His resume is unexampled, https://bit.ly/3jvzQTW, and his analysis of the situation is the most logical and persuasive of any I’d heard so far. He’s also the only expert I know of who hasn’t walked back his numbers, reconsidered his position, or moved the goalposts with regard to what we must do, what we can do, and what he expects to happen next. I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm also predicted that we could easily see 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”

It took me a few weeks to accept this scenario, because 480,000 fatalities is a frightening number, and lot of other experts were saying lots of conflicting things. But eventually, I came to the conclusion that Dr. Osterholm was probably correct, and quickly navigated the four stages of grief that usually precede acceptance – denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. By late April, I had come to accept Dr. Osterholm’s predictions as a matter of fact. Since then, I’ve had three full months to come to terms with the fact that, a) I am probably going to get COVID-19 at some point, b), I am almost certainly going to survive it, and c), I might very well give it to someone else.

I hope that doesn’t sound blasé, or glib, or fatalistic, or selfish. Four-hundred eighty thousand deaths is an obvious tragedy, and I’m deeply sympathetic to all who have been impacted thus far. I’m also very concerned for my parents, and everyone else in a high risk category. But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed, but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that “flattening the curve” and eliminating the virus have nothing to do with each other, I believe him.

Thus, for the last three months, I’ve been operating from the assumption that this is a year-round virus that’s eventually going to infect 100 million people and kill roughly 1/2 of one percent of those infected. I’ve gotten used to those numbers in much the same way I’ve gotten used to the fact that 40,000 people will likely die on the highways this year. That’s why I’m not panicked or surprised by tens of thousands of daily COVID cases; I’ve been expecting them. Unfortunately, many others have not. Every day, millions of people watch the same breathless coverage by the same breathless journalists, who seem determined to do all they can to foster uncertainty. And so, millions of people are still paralyzed by fear, because they haven’t been given a chance to digest the truth, (or, what I believe to be the truth.) Fact is, we can accept almost anything if we’re given the facts, and enough time to get our heads around them. But if we don’t have an understanding of what’s really happening, we simply can’t get past denial and bargaining, where so many seem to be stuck, understandably so.

Imagine for a moment you had no idea how many people would die in car accidents this year. Now, imagine that every single accident – over six million a year in the US alone – were reported on the same way that every new COVID case is reported today. Imagine every day you were told in hysterical tones, that another 16,000 accidents had occurred, resulting in another 90 deaths per day. What would that do to your willingness to drive? Six million accidents is a lot of accidents, and 40,000 annual fatalities is a lot of death – especially if you don’t know how high that number could get. But we DO know the dangers of driving, and we’ve accepted those numbers. Consequently, we’re able to make a grown-up decision about whether or not we want to assume the associated risk of operating a motor vehicle.

Again, don’t misunderstand. I’m not ignoring COVID, and I’m not pretending the risks at hand aren’t real. I don’t want to get this disease and give it to someone else, any more than I want to be in a car wreck and hurt someone else. So, I take precautions. I get tested often. If I can’t distance, I wear a mask – especially around higher risk people. I also wear a seatbelt, obey the speed limits, and check my mirrors before changing lanes. I’m aware that we’d all be a lot safer if we kept our cars in the garage. I’m also aware we’d be a lot safer if we all kept ourselves in the house. But that’s not why cars, or people, exist.

Anyway Darlene, that’s a long way of saying that I have accepted Dr. Osterholm’s numbers, and now, after three months of acceptance, I’ve made a decision on how I wish to live my life. Sooner or later, you will too. We all will.
Mike

PS. My foundation is selling masks to raise money for our next work-ethic scholarship program. They're going fast...

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/

Mike Rowe is ok with me posting this in full,.

 

[Mac-7]

Mike Rowe is a common sense guy

I bet the women he was answering could not compose her argument nearly as well

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Mike Rowe is a common sense guy

I bet the women he was answering could not compose her argument nearly as well

I never seen a man in my life that makes so much damned sense that it is maddening. He is a cut above my daddy and he's the 2nd man who made too much damned sense. Always wins an arguement politely and softly and making you look like a damned fool.

 

[Mac-7]

Always wins an arguement politely and softly and making you look like a damned fool.

Thats the power of high intelligence

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I agree with him 100%:



Mike. In a recent post, you said you’ve been to Tennessee and Georgia, giving speeches and filming for your new show. Before that, you were on the road shooting for Dirty Jobs. Is it really so important to film a television show in the midst of pandemic? Is it responsible of you to encourage this kind of behavior when infection rates are spiking? Don’t you watch the news? More and more cases every day – aren’t you concerned?
Darlene Gabon

Hi Darlene
Of course, I’m concerned. I’m just not petrified.
On March 15th, the day after my part of the country was locked down, I posted a link to an interview with Dr. Michael Osterholm. I’m posting it again, because I believe you and everyone else in the country would benefit from listening carefully to what he has to say. https://bit.ly/2WLOM6o

Dr. Osterholm is the Director of Infectious Disease Research and Policy. This is the same epidemiologist who ten years ago, predicted a coronavirus would come from China and turn our country upside down. In his book “Deadliest Enemies,” he described the utterly irresponsible way in which the media would report on the situation, the completely opportunistic and shamelessly political way our leaders would likely react, and the unprecedented chaos and confusion that would arise from all the mixed messages from the medical community. His resume is unexampled, https://bit.ly/3jvzQTW, and his analysis of the situation is the most logical and persuasive of any I’d heard so far. He’s also the only expert I know of who hasn’t walked back his numbers, reconsidered his position, or moved the goalposts with regard to what we must do, what we can do, and what he expects to happen next. I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm also predicted that we could easily see 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”

It took me a few weeks to accept this scenario, because 480,000 fatalities is a frightening number, and lot of other experts were saying lots of conflicting things. But eventually, I came to the conclusion that Dr. Osterholm was probably correct, and quickly navigated the four stages of grief that usually precede acceptance – denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. By late April, I had come to accept Dr. Osterholm’s predictions as a matter of fact. Since then, I’ve had three full months to come to terms with the fact that, a) I am probably going to get COVID-19 at some point, b), I am almost certainly going to survive it, and c), I might very well give it to someone else.

I hope that doesn’t sound blasé, or glib, or fatalistic, or selfish. Four-hundred eighty thousand deaths is an obvious tragedy, and I’m deeply sympathetic to all who have been impacted thus far. I’m also very concerned for my parents, and everyone else in a high risk category. But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed, but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that “flattening the curve” and eliminating the virus have nothing to do with each other, I believe him.

Thus, for the last three months, I’ve been operating from the assumption that this is a year-round virus that’s eventually going to infect 100 million people and kill roughly 1/2 of one percent of those infected. I’ve gotten used to those numbers in much the same way I’ve gotten used to the fact that 40,000 people will likely die on the highways this year. That’s why I’m not panicked or surprised by tens of thousands of daily COVID cases; I’ve been expecting them. Unfortunately, many others have not. Every day, millions of people watch the same breathless coverage by the same breathless journalists, who seem determined to do all they can to foster uncertainty. And so, millions of people are still paralyzed by fear, because they haven’t been given a chance to digest the truth, (or, what I believe to be the truth.) Fact is, we can accept almost anything if we’re given the facts, and enough time to get our heads around them. But if we don’t have an understanding of what’s really happening, we simply can’t get past denial and bargaining, where so many seem to be stuck, understandably so.

Imagine for a moment you had no idea how many people would die in car accidents this year. Now, imagine that every single accident – over six million a year in the US alone – were reported on the same way that every new COVID case is reported today. Imagine every day you were told in hysterical tones, that another 16,000 accidents had occurred, resulting in another 90 deaths per day. What would that do to your willingness to drive? Six million accidents is a lot of accidents, and 40,000 annual fatalities is a lot of death – especially if you don’t know how high that number could get. But we DO know the dangers of driving, and we’ve accepted those numbers. Consequently, we’re able to make a grown-up decision about whether or not we want to assume the associated risk of operating a motor vehicle.

Again, don’t misunderstand. I’m not ignoring COVID, and I’m not pretending the risks at hand aren’t real. I don’t want to get this disease and give it to someone else, any more than I want to be in a car wreck and hurt someone else. So, I take precautions. I get tested often. If I can’t distance, I wear a mask – especially around higher risk people. I also wear a seatbelt, obey the speed limits, and check my mirrors before changing lanes. I’m aware that we’d all be a lot safer if we kept our cars in the garage. I’m also aware we’d be a lot safer if we all kept ourselves in the house. But that’s not why cars, or people, exist.

Anyway Darlene, that’s a long way of saying that I have accepted Dr. Osterholm’s numbers, and now, after three months of acceptance, I’ve made a decision on how I wish to live my life. Sooner or later, you will too. We all will.
Mike

PS. My foundation is selling masks to raise money for our next work-ethic scholarship program. They're going fast...

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/

Mike Rowe is ok with me posting this in full,.

Okay let's talk about Traffic Fatalities. Here is a goo site that is neither Right nor Left. It jus compiles and collates real data.
Fatality Facts 2018Yearly snapshot
Traffic Fatalities have gone down since 1975. And when you figure in the figures from 1900 to present you will see a trend. Safe Vehicles have greatly contributed to the Fatalities per capita.

MOTORVEHICLETRAFFICFATALITIES, 1900 - 2007

With the simple making Seat Belts (and now shoulder harnesses) mandantory, that simple action brought the Death Trap Machines of the 50s and early 60s (and I love my early death trap machines) down by a large margin. Then other thing were mandated and it brought the per capita traffic deaths even further. The smartest thing anyone can do for an early "Death Machine" is to add seatbelts.

Covid 19's figures are more related to the early Automotive Days before the safety equipment and laws were inacted. If you bother (and I know you won't) to consult the IHS figures you will see that what people screamed "That's Communism" and "You can't make me" made going to the local Grocery Store a lot safer even with bad drives who must enjoy playing bumper cars at the intersections.

No, Covid 19 won't go away on it's own anymore than the Traffic Fatalities of the early days would have either. But, like the making the cars safer and something as simple as Seat Belts the fatalitiy rates have plummeted. I equate mandating the wear of a mask to be right up there with Seat Belts.

 

[gipper]

It is truly sad the number of Americans afraid to do anything for fear of the virus. Additionally, some of these Americans demand we all live like hermits. F that!

 

[Sunni Man]

^^^^ I believe the OP is a must read for everyone. ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Maybe a new episode of Dirty Jobs is in order ... "Journalism" ... almost as filthy as landlording ...

ETA: Spot-on, Sunni Man ... Covid-19 is here to stay ... there's no getting rid of it, in the years to come we may look back at this 480,000 dead prediction with longing ... we'll be wishing it was that few ...

Herd immunity only works when there's predators out there eating our sick and weak ... but humans taste really really bad ... ask any house cat ... it also depends on those who survive the infection maintain this immunity for years after ... and that would be rare for the Coronavirus family ...

Round 2 has begun ... folks who got Covid-19, recovered, and are now catching it again ...

 

[Olde Europe]

The efforts to excuse away Corona Bob's (Trump's) gross failures never ever cease. We all just have to shrug and accept whatever is coming, since nothing really can be done about it.

However...

New cases and fatalities

New COVID-19 cases in New Zealand (confirmed and probable) in red, and fatalities in black:[300]

Now, the U.S. has about 66 times the population of NZ, and therefore, the 1555 cases overall would be about 100k, and the 22 fatalities would be 1,450, adjusted for population size.

1,450 fatalities, compared to the Trump boot-licker's "prepare to accept 480,000".

New Zealand acted early, and with fierce determination, to protect her population. Corona Bob treated the pandemic, as he does everything else, as a PR problem, and the population is supposed to sign the bill, in terms of suffering and death, not to mention economic devastation, with more, and worse, to come. Trumpletons would then suggest while so doing the population put on a happy face. Because... Trump's lick-spittles are a sight to behold.

 

[Rev.Hellh0und]

I agree with him 100%:



Mike. In a recent post, you said you’ve been to Tennessee and Georgia, giving speeches and filming for your new show. Before that, you were on the road shooting for Dirty Jobs. Is it really so important to film a television show in the midst of pandemic? Is it responsible of you to encourage this kind of behavior when infection rates are spiking? Don’t you watch the news? More and more cases every day – aren’t you concerned?
Darlene Gabon

Hi Darlene
Of course, I’m concerned. I’m just not petrified.
On March 15th, the day after my part of the country was locked down, I posted a link to an interview with Dr. Michael Osterholm. I’m posting it again, because I believe you and everyone else in the country would benefit from listening carefully to what he has to say. https://bit.ly/2WLOM6o

Dr. Osterholm is the Director of Infectious Disease Research and Policy. This is the same epidemiologist who ten years ago, predicted a coronavirus would come from China and turn our country upside down. In his book “Deadliest Enemies,” he described the utterly irresponsible way in which the media would report on the situation, the completely opportunistic and shamelessly political way our leaders would likely react, and the unprecedented chaos and confusion that would arise from all the mixed messages from the medical community. His resume is unexampled, https://bit.ly/3jvzQTW, and his analysis of the situation is the most logical and persuasive of any I’d heard so far. He’s also the only expert I know of who hasn’t walked back his numbers, reconsidered his position, or moved the goalposts with regard to what we must do, what we can do, and what he expects to happen next. I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm also predicted that we could easily see 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”

It took me a few weeks to accept this scenario, because 480,000 fatalities is a frightening number, and lot of other experts were saying lots of conflicting things. But eventually, I came to the conclusion that Dr. Osterholm was probably correct, and quickly navigated the four stages of grief that usually precede acceptance – denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. By late April, I had come to accept Dr. Osterholm’s predictions as a matter of fact. Since then, I’ve had three full months to come to terms with the fact that, a) I am probably going to get COVID-19 at some point, b), I am almost certainly going to survive it, and c), I might very well give it to someone else.

I hope that doesn’t sound blasé, or glib, or fatalistic, or selfish. Four-hundred eighty thousand deaths is an obvious tragedy, and I’m deeply sympathetic to all who have been impacted thus far. I’m also very concerned for my parents, and everyone else in a high risk category. But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed, but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that “flattening the curve” and eliminating the virus have nothing to do with each other, I believe him.

Thus, for the last three months, I’ve been operating from the assumption that this is a year-round virus that’s eventually going to infect 100 million people and kill roughly 1/2 of one percent of those infected. I’ve gotten used to those numbers in much the same way I’ve gotten used to the fact that 40,000 people will likely die on the highways this year. That’s why I’m not panicked or surprised by tens of thousands of daily COVID cases; I’ve been expecting them. Unfortunately, many others have not. Every day, millions of people watch the same breathless coverage by the same breathless journalists, who seem determined to do all they can to foster uncertainty. And so, millions of people are still paralyzed by fear, because they haven’t been given a chance to digest the truth, (or, what I believe to be the truth.) Fact is, we can accept almost anything if we’re given the facts, and enough time to get our heads around them. But if we don’t have an understanding of what’s really happening, we simply can’t get past denial and bargaining, where so many seem to be stuck, understandably so.

Imagine for a moment you had no idea how many people would die in car accidents this year. Now, imagine that every single accident – over six million a year in the US alone – were reported on the same way that every new COVID case is reported today. Imagine every day you were told in hysterical tones, that another 16,000 accidents had occurred, resulting in another 90 deaths per day. What would that do to your willingness to drive? Six million accidents is a lot of accidents, and 40,000 annual fatalities is a lot of death – especially if you don’t know how high that number could get. But we DO know the dangers of driving, and we’ve accepted those numbers. Consequently, we’re able to make a grown-up decision about whether or not we want to assume the associated risk of operating a motor vehicle.

Again, don’t misunderstand. I’m not ignoring COVID, and I’m not pretending the risks at hand aren’t real. I don’t want to get this disease and give it to someone else, any more than I want to be in a car wreck and hurt someone else. So, I take precautions. I get tested often. If I can’t distance, I wear a mask – especially around higher risk people. I also wear a seatbelt, obey the speed limits, and check my mirrors before changing lanes. I’m aware that we’d all be a lot safer if we kept our cars in the garage. I’m also aware we’d be a lot safer if we all kept ourselves in the house. But that’s not why cars, or people, exist.

Anyway Darlene, that’s a long way of saying that I have accepted Dr. Osterholm’s numbers, and now, after three months of acceptance, I’ve made a decision on how I wish to live my life. Sooner or later, you will too. We all will.
Mike

PS. My foundation is selling masks to raise money for our next work-ethic scholarship program. They're going fast...

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/

Mike Rowe is ok with me posting this in full,.

Okay let's talk about Traffic Fatalities. Here is a goo site that is neither Right nor Left. It jus compiles and collates real data.
Fatality Facts 2018Yearly snapshot
Traffic Fatalities have gone down since 1975. And when you figure in the figures from 1900 to present you will see a trend. Safe Vehicles have greatly contributed to the Fatalities per capita.

MOTORVEHICLETRAFFICFATALITIES, 1900 - 2007

With the simple making Seat Belts (and now shoulder harnesses) mandantory, that simple action brought the Death Trap Machines of the 50s and early 60s (and I love my early death trap machines) down by a large margin. Then other thing were mandated and it brought the per capita traffic deaths even further. The smartest thing anyone can do for an early "Death Machine" is to add seatbelts.

Covid 19's figures are more related to the early Automotive Days before the safety equipment and laws were inacted. If you bother (and I know you won't) to consult the IHS figures you will see that what people screamed "That's Communism" and "You can't make me" made going to the local Grocery Store a lot safer even with bad drives who must enjoy playing bumper cars at the intersections.

No, Covid 19 won't go away on it's own anymore than the Traffic Fatalities of the early days would have either. But, like the making the cars safer and something as simple as Seat Belts the fatalitiy rates have plummeted. I equate mandating the wear of a mask to be right up there with Seat Belts.

I don't think anyone argued against wearing a mask, just being more logical about it as Mike Rowe and my self advocate.




It's interesting and a bit ironic that people who haven't cared for their health all thier lives for example, the morbidly obese, is suddenly concerned about health with masks. obesity kills way more people than corona, yet, they are still chugging mountain dews. anyway slight digression.


The point is, most masks don't do shit, they are lap belts in your 67 mustang with low back seats.

And there is no need for his filming to wear them any more than he is and his real and practical post he made on his face book if adopted by the world would end much of the hysterics. Deal with the reality of the virus, objectively.

 

[Rev.Hellh0und]

The efforts to excuse away Corona Bob's (Trump's) gross failures never ever cease. We all just have to shrug and accept whatever is coming, since nothing really can be done about it.

However...

New cases and fatalities​

​

New COVID-19 cases in New Zealand (confirmed and probable) in red, and fatalities in black:[300]​

​

Now, the U.S. has about 66 times the population of NZ, and therefore, the 1555 cases overall would be about 100k, and the 22 fatalities would be 1,450, adjusted for population size.

1,450 fatalities, compared to the Trump boot-licker's "prepare to accept 480,000".

New Zealand acted early, and with fierce determination, to protect her population. Corona Bob treated the pandemic, as he does everything else, as a PR problem, and the population is supposed to sign the bill, in terms of suffering and death, not to mention economic devastation, with more, and worse, to come. Trumpletons would then suggest while so doing the population put on a happy face. Because... Trump's lick-spittles are a sight to behold.

What a fucking dumb post.


New Zealand is in the southern hemisphere, had it's wave, is an isolated fucking island with a low population density. comparing it to the United states is as stupid as your idiotic "orange man bad and everyone I don't agree with is a trump lick spittle".


You should be ashamed, the internet is a little dumber now due to your post.



Anything on Mike Rowe's comments or are you just shitting "orange man bad" crap everywhere?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I agree with him 100%:



Mike. In a recent post, you said you’ve been to Tennessee and Georgia, giving speeches and filming for your new show. Before that, you were on the road shooting for Dirty Jobs. Is it really so important to film a television show in the midst of pandemic? Is it responsible of you to encourage this kind of behavior when infection rates are spiking? Don’t you watch the news? More and more cases every day – aren’t you concerned?
Darlene Gabon

Hi Darlene
Of course, I’m concerned. I’m just not petrified.
On March 15th, the day after my part of the country was locked down, I posted a link to an interview with Dr. Michael Osterholm. I’m posting it again, because I believe you and everyone else in the country would benefit from listening carefully to what he has to say. https://bit.ly/2WLOM6o

Dr. Osterholm is the Director of Infectious Disease Research and Policy. This is the same epidemiologist who ten years ago, predicted a coronavirus would come from China and turn our country upside down. In his book “Deadliest Enemies,” he described the utterly irresponsible way in which the media would report on the situation, the completely opportunistic and shamelessly political way our leaders would likely react, and the unprecedented chaos and confusion that would arise from all the mixed messages from the medical community. His resume is unexampled, https://bit.ly/3jvzQTW, and his analysis of the situation is the most logical and persuasive of any I’d heard so far. He’s also the only expert I know of who hasn’t walked back his numbers, reconsidered his position, or moved the goalposts with regard to what we must do, what we can do, and what he expects to happen next. I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm also predicted that we could easily see 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”

It took me a few weeks to accept this scenario, because 480,000 fatalities is a frightening number, and lot of other experts were saying lots of conflicting things. But eventually, I came to the conclusion that Dr. Osterholm was probably correct, and quickly navigated the four stages of grief that usually precede acceptance – denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. By late April, I had come to accept Dr. Osterholm’s predictions as a matter of fact. Since then, I’ve had three full months to come to terms with the fact that, a) I am probably going to get COVID-19 at some point, b), I am almost certainly going to survive it, and c), I might very well give it to someone else.

I hope that doesn’t sound blasé, or glib, or fatalistic, or selfish. Four-hundred eighty thousand deaths is an obvious tragedy, and I’m deeply sympathetic to all who have been impacted thus far. I’m also very concerned for my parents, and everyone else in a high risk category. But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed, but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that “flattening the curve” and eliminating the virus have nothing to do with each other, I believe him.

Thus, for the last three months, I’ve been operating from the assumption that this is a year-round virus that’s eventually going to infect 100 million people and kill roughly 1/2 of one percent of those infected. I’ve gotten used to those numbers in much the same way I’ve gotten used to the fact that 40,000 people will likely die on the highways this year. That’s why I’m not panicked or surprised by tens of thousands of daily COVID cases; I’ve been expecting them. Unfortunately, many others have not. Every day, millions of people watch the same breathless coverage by the same breathless journalists, who seem determined to do all they can to foster uncertainty. And so, millions of people are still paralyzed by fear, because they haven’t been given a chance to digest the truth, (or, what I believe to be the truth.) Fact is, we can accept almost anything if we’re given the facts, and enough time to get our heads around them. But if we don’t have an understanding of what’s really happening, we simply can’t get past denial and bargaining, where so many seem to be stuck, understandably so.

Imagine for a moment you had no idea how many people would die in car accidents this year. Now, imagine that every single accident – over six million a year in the US alone – were reported on the same way that every new COVID case is reported today. Imagine every day you were told in hysterical tones, that another 16,000 accidents had occurred, resulting in another 90 deaths per day. What would that do to your willingness to drive? Six million accidents is a lot of accidents, and 40,000 annual fatalities is a lot of death – especially if you don’t know how high that number could get. But we DO know the dangers of driving, and we’ve accepted those numbers. Consequently, we’re able to make a grown-up decision about whether or not we want to assume the associated risk of operating a motor vehicle.

Again, don’t misunderstand. I’m not ignoring COVID, and I’m not pretending the risks at hand aren’t real. I don’t want to get this disease and give it to someone else, any more than I want to be in a car wreck and hurt someone else. So, I take precautions. I get tested often. If I can’t distance, I wear a mask – especially around higher risk people. I also wear a seatbelt, obey the speed limits, and check my mirrors before changing lanes. I’m aware that we’d all be a lot safer if we kept our cars in the garage. I’m also aware we’d be a lot safer if we all kept ourselves in the house. But that’s not why cars, or people, exist.

Anyway Darlene, that’s a long way of saying that I have accepted Dr. Osterholm’s numbers, and now, after three months of acceptance, I’ve made a decision on how I wish to live my life. Sooner or later, you will too. We all will.
Mike

PS. My foundation is selling masks to raise money for our next work-ethic scholarship program. They're going fast...

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/

Mike Rowe is ok with me posting this in full,.

Okay let's talk about Traffic Fatalities. Here is a goo site that is neither Right nor Left. It jus compiles and collates real data.
Fatality Facts 2018Yearly snapshot
Traffic Fatalities have gone down since 1975. And when you figure in the figures from 1900 to present you will see a trend. Safe Vehicles have greatly contributed to the Fatalities per capita.

MOTORVEHICLETRAFFICFATALITIES, 1900 - 2007

With the simple making Seat Belts (and now shoulder harnesses) mandantory, that simple action brought the Death Trap Machines of the 50s and early 60s (and I love my early death trap machines) down by a large margin. Then other thing were mandated and it brought the per capita traffic deaths even further. The smartest thing anyone can do for an early "Death Machine" is to add seatbelts.

Covid 19's figures are more related to the early Automotive Days before the safety equipment and laws were inacted. If you bother (and I know you won't) to consult the IHS figures you will see that what people screamed "That's Communism" and "You can't make me" made going to the local Grocery Store a lot safer even with bad drives who must enjoy playing bumper cars at the intersections.

No, Covid 19 won't go away on it's own anymore than the Traffic Fatalities of the early days would have either. But, like the making the cars safer and something as simple as Seat Belts the fatalitiy rates have plummeted. I equate mandating the wear of a mask to be right up there with Seat Belts.

I don't think anyone argued against wearing a mask, just being more logical about it as Mike Rowe and my self advocate.




It's interesting and a bit ironic that people who haven't cared for their health all thier lives for example, the morbidly obese, is suddenly concerned about health with masks. obesity kills way more people than corona, yet, they are still chugging mountain dews. anyway slight digression.


The point is, most masks don't do shit, they are lap belts in your 67 mustang with low back seats.

And there is no need for his filming to wear them any more than he is and his real and practical post he made on his face book if adopted by the world would end much of the hysterics. Deal with the reality of the virus, objectively.

I am not saying Rowe is wrong. But his comparison of wearing masks to traffic fatalities is incorrect. I'll use your 67 Mustang as an example. What's the NUMBER 1 death rate of those thrown from the vehicle versus those confined? If you stay with your vehicle you have a much higher rate to not be killed or have major injuries. If you are ejected from your vehicle you are almost always killed. That simple addition of seat belts to your 67 Mustang is the safest and smartes thing you can do in the event of a crash. It keeps you inside the vehicle where the Vehicle is absorbing the bulk of the impact.

I have two types of masks at my disposal. I mostly use the simple cloth or layered paper one that protects others but not me. It's like seat belts. But I also have a real N95 type mask with a M2.5 filter that I wear when I can't avoid being close to others. The M2.5 filter is a layered Charcoal type that stops Covid 19 cold from entering my respiratory system. The cloth ones and most of the so called N95 Chinese knockoffs don't. The cloth masks are to protect you from me. But my M2.5 filter mask is to protect me from you. The problem with the M2.5, it's hot, makes you breath harder and some couldn't wear it for prolonged times. The cloth masks are there for YOUR protection meanwhile the M2.5 filter masks are closer to why a seatbelt is a good idea.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Wonder why we havent heard of this Doc before and why he wasnt at least added to the response team....

 

[Olde Europe]

Over the past 30 days, New Zealand had 40 new cases.

During the same time, the U.S. had 1,660,000 cases.

Even adjusted for population size, the U.S. counted new infections at 630 time the rate of New Zealand.

New Zealand has the political will and the organizational capability to bring that epidemic under control. And they did.

The U.S. didn't have the political will, nor were the appointed Trump cronies qualified, to bring this under control. And thus the epidemic is out of control.

The best defense Trump lick-spittles have for the mayhem, suffering and devastation their Dear Leader inflicted on the country is, "get used to it!" That's the callous "wisdom" Rowe's interminable blabbing boils down to. There isn't a single insight worth noting in there.

When four Americans tragically died far away, all hell broke loose, and the Goobers started the biggest witch hunt the world has ever seen. 140,000 deaths on home soil is a matter of "get used to it!"

If the Goobers and other assorted lick-spittles didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Always wins an arguement politely and softly and making you look like a damned fool.

Thats the power of high intelligence

Lol............And sometimes it takes an hour or 2 before you know you've been had. Same thing with that Victor Hanson dude. Same mold, same results.....Wash and repeat.

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Over the past 30 days, New Zealand had 40 new cases.

During the same time, the U.S. had 1,660,000 cases.

Even adjusted for population size, the U.S. counted new infections at 630 time the rate of New Zealand.

New Zealand has the political will and the organizational capability to bring that epidemic under control. And they did.

The U.S. didn't have the political will, nor were the appointed Trump cronies qualified, to bring this under control. And thus the epidemic is out of control.

The best defense Trump lick-spittles have for the mayhem, suffering and devastation their Dear Leader inflicted on the country is, "get used to it!" That's the callous "wisdom" Rowe's interminable blabbing boils down to. There isn't a single insight worth noting in there.

When four Americans tragically died far away, all hell broke loose, and the Goobers started the biggest witch hunt the world has ever seen. 140,000 deaths on home soil is a matter of "get used to it!"

If the Goobers and other assorted lick-spittles didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

Good thing Trump didn't listen to Biden about a shut down.
After reading one post of yours, you're writing style is similiar to someone. I might be wrong, But my Persitence of Memory pesists.

 

[Pete7469]

Good thing Trump didn't listen to Biden about a shut down.
After reading one post of yours, you're writing style is similiar to someone. I might be wrong, But my Persitence of Memory pesists.

Bed wetting liberal parasites tend to parrot the same inane gibberish.

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

The efforts to excuse away Corona Bob's (Trump's) gross failures never ever cease. We all just have to shrug and accept whatever is coming, since nothing really can be done about it.

However...

New cases and fatalities​

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New COVID-19 cases in New Zealand (confirmed and probable) in red, and fatalities in black:[300]​

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Now, the U.S. has about 66 times the population of NZ, and therefore, the 1555 cases overall would be about 100k, and the 22 fatalities would be 1,450, adjusted for population size.

1,450 fatalities, compared to the Trump boot-licker's "prepare to accept 480,000".

New Zealand acted early, and with fierce determination, to protect her population. Corona Bob treated the pandemic, as he does everything else, as a PR problem, and the population is supposed to sign the bill, in terms of suffering and death, not to mention economic devastation, with more, and worse, to come. Trumpletons would then suggest while so doing the population put on a happy face. Because... Trump's lick-spittles are a sight to behold.

Trump should have listened to Fauci and kept it open is what you are saying right? To be clear with the thread.

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

I agree with him 100%:



Mike. In a recent post, you said you’ve been to Tennessee and Georgia, giving speeches and filming for your new show. Before that, you were on the road shooting for Dirty Jobs. Is it really so important to film a television show in the midst of pandemic? Is it responsible of you to encourage this kind of behavior when infection rates are spiking? Don’t you watch the news? More and more cases every day – aren’t you concerned?
Darlene Gabon

Hi Darlene
Of course, I’m concerned. I’m just not petrified.
On March 15th, the day after my part of the country was locked down, I posted a link to an interview with Dr. Michael Osterholm. I’m posting it again, because I believe you and everyone else in the country would benefit from listening carefully to what he has to say. https://bit.ly/2WLOM6o

Dr. Osterholm is the Director of Infectious Disease Research and Policy. This is the same epidemiologist who ten years ago, predicted a coronavirus would come from China and turn our country upside down. In his book “Deadliest Enemies,” he described the utterly irresponsible way in which the media would report on the situation, the completely opportunistic and shamelessly political way our leaders would likely react, and the unprecedented chaos and confusion that would arise from all the mixed messages from the medical community. His resume is unexampled, https://bit.ly/3jvzQTW, and his analysis of the situation is the most logical and persuasive of any I’d heard so far. He’s also the only expert I know of who hasn’t walked back his numbers, reconsidered his position, or moved the goalposts with regard to what we must do, what we can do, and what he expects to happen next. I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm also predicted that we could easily see 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”

It took me a few weeks to accept this scenario, because 480,000 fatalities is a frightening number, and lot of other experts were saying lots of conflicting things. But eventually, I came to the conclusion that Dr. Osterholm was probably correct, and quickly navigated the four stages of grief that usually precede acceptance – denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. By late April, I had come to accept Dr. Osterholm’s predictions as a matter of fact. Since then, I’ve had three full months to come to terms with the fact that, a) I am probably going to get COVID-19 at some point, b), I am almost certainly going to survive it, and c), I might very well give it to someone else.

I hope that doesn’t sound blasé, or glib, or fatalistic, or selfish. Four-hundred eighty thousand deaths is an obvious tragedy, and I’m deeply sympathetic to all who have been impacted thus far. I’m also very concerned for my parents, and everyone else in a high risk category. But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed, but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that “flattening the curve” and eliminating the virus have nothing to do with each other, I believe him.

Thus, for the last three months, I’ve been operating from the assumption that this is a year-round virus that’s eventually going to infect 100 million people and kill roughly 1/2 of one percent of those infected. I’ve gotten used to those numbers in much the same way I’ve gotten used to the fact that 40,000 people will likely die on the highways this year. That’s why I’m not panicked or surprised by tens of thousands of daily COVID cases; I’ve been expecting them. Unfortunately, many others have not. Every day, millions of people watch the same breathless coverage by the same breathless journalists, who seem determined to do all they can to foster uncertainty. And so, millions of people are still paralyzed by fear, because they haven’t been given a chance to digest the truth, (or, what I believe to be the truth.) Fact is, we can accept almost anything if we’re given the facts, and enough time to get our heads around them. But if we don’t have an understanding of what’s really happening, we simply can’t get past denial and bargaining, where so many seem to be stuck, understandably so.

Imagine for a moment you had no idea how many people would die in car accidents this year. Now, imagine that every single accident – over six million a year in the US alone – were reported on the same way that every new COVID case is reported today. Imagine every day you were told in hysterical tones, that another 16,000 accidents had occurred, resulting in another 90 deaths per day. What would that do to your willingness to drive? Six million accidents is a lot of accidents, and 40,000 annual fatalities is a lot of death – especially if you don’t know how high that number could get. But we DO know the dangers of driving, and we’ve accepted those numbers. Consequently, we’re able to make a grown-up decision about whether or not we want to assume the associated risk of operating a motor vehicle.

Again, don’t misunderstand. I’m not ignoring COVID, and I’m not pretending the risks at hand aren’t real. I don’t want to get this disease and give it to someone else, any more than I want to be in a car wreck and hurt someone else. So, I take precautions. I get tested often. If I can’t distance, I wear a mask – especially around higher risk people. I also wear a seatbelt, obey the speed limits, and check my mirrors before changing lanes. I’m aware that we’d all be a lot safer if we kept our cars in the garage. I’m also aware we’d be a lot safer if we all kept ourselves in the house. But that’s not why cars, or people, exist.

Anyway Darlene, that’s a long way of saying that I have accepted Dr. Osterholm’s numbers, and now, after three months of acceptance, I’ve made a decision on how I wish to live my life. Sooner or later, you will too. We all will.
Mike

PS. My foundation is selling masks to raise money for our next work-ethic scholarship program. They're going fast...

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/

Mike Rowe is ok with me posting this in full,.

Okay let's talk about Traffic Fatalities. Here is a goo site that is neither Right nor Left. It jus compiles and collates real data.
Fatality Facts 2018Yearly snapshot
Traffic Fatalities have gone down since 1975. And when you figure in the figures from 1900 to present you will see a trend. Safe Vehicles have greatly contributed to the Fatalities per capita.

MOTORVEHICLETRAFFICFATALITIES, 1900 - 2007

With the simple making Seat Belts (and now shoulder harnesses) mandantory, that simple action brought the Death Trap Machines of the 50s and early 60s (and I love my early death trap machines) down by a large margin. Then other thing were mandated and it brought the per capita traffic deaths even further. The smartest thing anyone can do for an early "Death Machine" is to add seatbelts.

Covid 19's figures are more related to the early Automotive Days before the safety equipment and laws were inacted. If you bother (and I know you won't) to consult the IHS figures you will see that what people screamed "That's Communism" and "You can't make me" made going to the local Grocery Store a lot safer even with bad drives who must enjoy playing bumper cars at the intersections.

No, Covid 19 won't go away on it's own anymore than the Traffic Fatalities of the early days would have either. But, like the making the cars safer and something as simple as Seat Belts the fatalitiy rates have plummeted. I equate mandating the wear of a mask to be right up there with Seat Belts.

Very good post from a Property/Casualty specialist. Just an example to point this out. Cars automatically lock because your chance of survival are 5 times greater. Humans make terrible projection objects on concrete.

 

[Pete7469]

Very good post from a Property/Casualty specialist. Just an example to point this out. Cars automatically lock because your chance of survival are 5 times greater. Humans make terrible projection objects on concrete.

They don't do well against trees either, for that matter after about 50 feet of flight at 65-0 they hit the ground with piss poor results.

I never cared to scrape up the results from any MVA.


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